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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2020 22:38:48 GMT -5
I think you mean Tandara (OPP), not Natalia (OH). Also, Tandara is not goofy-footed. Goncharova is, however. Goncharova is an Oppo. She doesn't pass and hits mostly Ds or Red (right side). I'm aware... She has backwards feet. Tandara (OPP) does not. Natalia (OH) does not.
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Post by Disc808 on Apr 18, 2020 22:45:38 GMT -5
I guess you misunderstood my question. I never said we needed them at every position. I didn't say we needed them at all. I simply asked if you thought we had any top 3 players at their respective positions and, if so, which ones. I'm still curious how you'd answer the question. Okay. I think Larson and Hill are and I think Carlini and Ogbogu could be. MBH and Robinson are probably top-10. Plummer should be entering her third summer starting on the national team, but isn't, so we can't count her. Not in any order, my opinion of the top OHs in the world: Natalia, Mihajlovic, Zhu Ting, Larson, Hill, Robinson, Barstch, Martinez, KYK. Sylla and Plak are in the conversation, on any given day. Buijs, Pietrini, that one from Turkey, the L2 for China probably make up the next tier. Even if Plummer had not been injured from beach in 2018, do you think she would have/should have skipped the Stanford Europe trip to accept Karch's invitation? Plus, last year was not that pretty lol, and Stanford's late ending quarters also wouldn't have helped. Although given the perfect circumstances Plummer could have been further along right now.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2020 22:46:37 GMT -5
Okay. I think Larson and Hill are and I think Carlini and Ogbogu could be. MBH and Robinson are probably top-10. Plummer should be entering her third summer starting on the national team, but isn't, so we can't count her. Not in any order, my opinion of the top OHs in the world: Natalia, Mihajlovic, Zhu Ting, Larson, Hill, Robinson, Barstch, Martinez, KYK. Sylla and Plak are in the conversation, on any given day. Buijs, Pietrini, that one from Turkey, the L2 for China probably make up the next tier. Even if Plummer had not been injured from beach in 2018, do you think she would have/should have skipped the Stanford Europe trip to accept Karch's invitation? Plus, last year was not that pretty lol, and Stanford's late ending quarters also wouldn't have helped. Although given the perfect circumstances Plummer could have been further along right now. It should've been mandatory, for like, the good of the country.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Apr 18, 2020 22:55:04 GMT -5
Okay. I think Larson and Hill are and I think Carlini and Ogbogu could be. MBH and Robinson are probably top-10. Plummer should be entering her third summer starting on the national team, but isn't, so we can't count her. Not in any order, my opinion of the top OHs in the world: Natalia, Mihajlovic, Zhu Ting, Larson, Hill, Robinson, Barstch, Martinez, KYK. Sylla and Plak are in the conversation, on any given day. Buijs, Pietrini, that one from Turkey, the L2 for China probably make up the next tier. Ok this is interesting. Thanks for taking the question in the way it was intended. So you'd say Larson and Hill are top 10? I can't see them top 3. Is Carlini top 3? Is Ogbogu? Why top 3? Gold, silver, bronze. Everyone has this idea that through the NCAA we produce the best players but I don't know that we have a single player that's top 3 in their position right now. KYK has been Top 3 for the past decade (and arguably #1 in terms of overall game) and Korea hasn't won a single world medal, only getting close once. I also think it's really tough for USA Volleyball to claim they can't win without the very top athletes, when they are perfectly happy to let elite athletes at that level walk if they don't fit the "culture"
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Post by donut on Apr 18, 2020 22:56:22 GMT -5
It's Boskovic and Egonu, and then a drop off. I would say Smarzek, Haak, Vargas, Martinez, Lippman and Drews are the next bunch. Goncharova, Sloetjes, and Tandara used to be up there. Sloetjes had a pretty good WChs, if I remember correctly. And Martinez for DR has played OH for quite some time now, hasn't she, trojansc? I’d still classify her as on the decline, but I do love her as a player. Maybe she’s up there still, but I guess the common denominator to my “decliners” is I think they’ve all peaked. And I think Martinez switches back and forth. Regardless, she’s a helluva terminator.
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 18, 2020 23:08:36 GMT -5
Ok this is interesting. Thanks for taking the question in the way it was intended. So you'd say Larson and Hill are top 10? I can't see them top 3. Is Carlini top 3? Is Ogbogu? Why top 3? Gold, silver, bronze. Everyone has this idea that through the NCAA we produce the best players but I don't know that we have a single player that's top 3 in their position right now. KYK has been Top 3 for the past decade (and arguably #1 in terms of overall game) and Korea hasn't won a single world medal, only getting close once. I also think it's really tough for USA Volleyball to claim they can't win without the very top athletes, when they are perfectly happy to let elite athletes at that level walk if they don't fit the "culture" KYK's longetivity at the top of the game is pretty remarkable. I would take her over Zhu Ting in a heartbeat.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Apr 18, 2020 23:10:52 GMT -5
KYK has been Top 3 for the past decade (and arguably #1 in terms of overall game) and Korea hasn't won a single world medal, only getting close once. I also think it's really tough for USA Volleyball to claim they can't win without the very top athletes, when they are perfectly happy to let elite athletes at that level walk if they don't fit the "culture" KYK's longetivity at the top of the game is pretty remarkable. I would take her over Zhu Ting in a heartbeat. Nasty serve, good passer for an outside much less a terminator of her caliber, great blocker, high compete level. She damn good.
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 18, 2020 23:17:32 GMT -5
KYK's longetivity at the top of the game is pretty remarkable. I would take her over Zhu Ting in a heartbeat. Nasty serve, good passer for an outside much less a terminator of her caliber, great blocker, high compete level. She damn good. Apart from the Cubans, who were probably in a class by themselves, Ting and Artamonova may have had absolute peaks that were higher, but KYK, Logan Tom and Sokolova were in a similar class of volleyball athletes.
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Post by trojansc on Apr 18, 2020 23:19:02 GMT -5
It's Boskovic and Egonu, and then a drop off. I would say Smarzek, Haak, Vargas, Martinez, Lippman and Drews are the next bunch. Goncharova, Sloetjes, and Tandara used to be up there. Sloetjes had a pretty good WChs, if I remember correctly. And Martinez for DR has played OH for quite some time now, hasn't she, trojansc? Brayelin is back and forth. It depends. In the Olympic Qualifier against Brazil, she played OH. In the NORCECA Qualifier, she played OPP. In Brazil's league, she played OPP. She can attack from anywhere though. Brayelin is a huge asset on any team. She actually passes MUCH better than De La Cruz, but it looks like DR has settled/accepted the fact it's better to just keep Brayelin freed of passing responsibilities let her be terminal, and put Rivera (who is like 50 now) in for ball-control and have the middle-blocker Eve cover De La Cruz in the backrow rather than force Brayelin to pass and play OH.
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 19, 2020 0:12:41 GMT -5
I also think it's really tough for USA Volleyball to claim they can't win without the very top athletes, when they are perfectly happy to let elite athletes at that level walk if they don't fit the "culture" Shots fired! Shots fired!
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Post by libro on Apr 19, 2020 0:18:37 GMT -5
I may take Smarzek just cause of the load I know she can carry. Additionally I know Haak one day will be #1 just with more growth and time You might be right with Smarzek & Haak, but I'm not sold yet. Both hit with too much range powerfully for club owners not to feast over wanting badly
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Post by Hawk Attack on Apr 19, 2020 0:22:18 GMT -5
I simply asked if you thought we had any top 3 players at their respective positions I think Larson and Hill are The existence of both Ting & KYK disqualifies this as a possibility. Pick one or the other!
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Post by rogero1 on Apr 19, 2020 0:24:26 GMT -5
I think you mean Tandara (OPP), not Natalia (OH). Also, Tandara is not goofy-footed. Goncharova is, however. Goncharova is an Oppo. She doesn't pass and hits mostly Ds or Red (right side). Her goofy footed approach limits her to hit that way. If she tries to hit line, she will develop shoulder problems.
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Post by Hawk Attack on Apr 19, 2020 0:27:21 GMT -5
Goncharova is an Oppo. She doesn't pass and hits mostly Ds or Red (right side). Her goofy footed approach limits her to hit that way. If she tries to hit line, she will develop shoulder problems. Goncharova is 30. Regardless of approach she has shoulder problems.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Apr 19, 2020 0:36:33 GMT -5
Goncharova is an Oppo. She doesn't pass and hits mostly Ds or Red (right side). Her goofy footed approach limits her to hit that way. If she tries to hit line, she will develop shoulder problems. She's been overused by both country and club for almost a decade (club longer than country) and is literally just now starting to break down. She's been very durable for the load she's carried.
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