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Post by werka on Apr 27, 2020 0:35:17 GMT -5
Courtney is a fantastic athlete but I guess I just don't care to convert OH's to Liberos. At all. I don't care how good you pass if you can't play good defense (and all that that entails) too, you shouldn't be a libero. This is why we have a problem at that position. Karch would rather field a passing libero rather than a defensive one. He cares about being in system more because our hitters struggle to kill the ball OOS. This is likely due to his ridiculous need to run a fast offense, even in transition which baffles me sometimes. I mean we have hitters that can hit over the block if the set is high enough. I guess what I think is that there can be a happy medium somewhere in there. If he had just kept JWO and another TRUE libero in the mix this entire quad the team would have likely performed a little worse in the VNL's but that sacrifice could have paid off in the long run. The team would be better at scoring OOS and thus when they are in system, the system would have been more effective. At least that is how I see it. I could be completely wrong here and that is ok. Am I making any sense here? I love it when you talk sh*t about Courtney. Kidding. Not a fan of her either as USA's libero. About the USA fast, idk if it's me but I don't think the team is following it that strictly anymore especially this 2019, a big contrast to 2017/2018 for this quad imo. Karch has been lenient to his setters in doing sets that aren't so low-fast, particularly in transition. It's still there but I see the team adjusting more to what the situation requires. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2020 0:56:25 GMT -5
No, Megan Courtney has definite limitations in her technique. It’s not her fault her arms were screwed on backwards.  Hey! How'd you get the evidence I was about to post!! It's hard to be a jerk to you if you help me like this... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2020 1:51:44 GMT -5
Courtney is a fantastic athlete but I guess I just don't care to convert OH's to Liberos. At all. I don't care how good you pass if you can't play good defense (and all that that entails) too, you shouldn't be a libero. This is why we have a problem at that position. Karch would rather field a passing libero rather than a defensive one. He cares about being in system more because our hitters struggle to kill the ball OOS. This is likely due to his ridiculous need to run a fast offense, even in transition which baffles me sometimes. I mean we have hitters that can hit over the block if the set is high enough. I guess what I think is that there can be a happy medium somewhere in there. If he had just kept JWO and another TRUE libero in the mix this entire quad the team would have likely performed a little worse in the VNL's but that sacrifice could have paid off in the long run. The team would be better at scoring OOS and thus when they are in system, the system would have been more effective. At least that is how I see it. I could be completely wrong here and that is ok. Am I making any sense here? I love it when you talk sh*t about Courtney. Kidding. Not a fan of her either as USA's libero. About the USA fast, idk if it's me but I don't think the team is following it that strictly anymore especially this 2019, a big contrast to 2017/2018 for this quad imo. Karch has been lenient to his setters in doing sets that aren't so low-fast, particularly in transition. It's still there but I see the team adjusting more to what the situation requires. It was back with a vengeance at the World Cup. Poulter ran it fantastically. I think that was why she was the starter. |
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Post by gibbyb1 on Apr 27, 2020 7:27:44 GMT -5
No? I didn’t say anything about Courtney’s technical ability or lack thereof, my comment was about converting OH’s to Liberos being more of a mental adjustment than technical. Coaches aren’t teaching two different passing techniques to the two positions. Free advice to not come off as an arrogant jerk. Instead of saying “no, you’re wrong” how about “I disagree, IMO........” in this case your arguing Courtney’s deficiencies are technical when I said it wasn’t about her converting, which means I agree that it’s her ability that doesn’t allow her to play at the elite level as a bro. Despite what you clearly believe you are not THE authority on passing and defense because you have access to data and know some good coaches. I don't wish to argue with you. From your post I was under the impression you thought her problems were mental, not technical. Her issues defensively are the result of technical deficiencies which I can show you, if you like, with either stills or footage if you have access to the game film. I'm always happy to provide evidence if you want it. If you think that her defensive limitations are a technical issue, then we agree. I'm still happy to discuss said limitations if you're interested, it's fine if you're not. As to the other stuff, I'm still not interested in how I 'come off'. I'm just here for the volley and I think accurate statements are more helpful than inaccurate ones. The cliques and awards around here, I can do without. My post was about converting 6 rotation OH’s. I never spoke to Courtney’s technique. I referenced there may be an adjustment mentally in terms of possibly developing a different mindset. As for your offer on a tutorial, no thank you. As it relates to her technical skill and you preferring accurate and not inaccurate statements, you are assuming you are factual and others aren’t which is of course arrogance as you are stating YOUR opinion not a verifiable fact. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2020 9:25:18 GMT -5
I don't wish to argue with you. From your post I was under the impression you thought her problems were mental, not technical. Her issues defensively are the result of technical deficiencies which I can show you, if you like, with either stills or footage if you have access to the game film. I'm always happy to provide evidence if you want it. If you think that her defensive limitations are a technical issue, then we agree. I'm still happy to discuss said limitations if you're interested, it's fine if you're not. As to the other stuff, I'm still not interested in how I 'come off'. I'm just here for the volley and I think accurate statements are more helpful than inaccurate ones. The cliques and awards around here, I can do without. My post was about converting 6 rotation OH’s. I never spoke to Courtney’s technique. I referenced there may be an adjustment mentally in terms of possibly developing a different mindset. As for your offer on a tutorial, no thank you. As it relates to her technical skill and you preferring accurate and not inaccurate statements, you are assuming you are factual and others aren’t which is of course arrogance as you are stating YOUR opinion not a verifiable fact. OK so you don't want me to show you what I see, but you still want to categorize it as an opinion. Is it still an opinion if I can show you her doing it? Like the poster who said KP didn't pass front row, until I showed him otherwise. Or the one who didn't think the change over from Maloney to Knuckles had affected Sun in SR, until I showed him otherwise. Courtney DOES form her platform too early on defense. She DOES swing it when she digs. As I have said repeatedly around here, I'm always happy to back up this stuff. I think it's helpful for the conversation when people prove statements that others question. But thinking it's an opinion simply because you can't see it when you watch seems to be arrogant, no? Would it be an opinion for me to state that "KP was the most effective OOS terminator in the 2019 NC match"? You probably wouldn't think so because you can verify that on your own. But there's no difference between the two statements from a factual perspective. Again I'm not trying to be controversial here. I think understanding why Courtney struggles is an interesting conversation. She also COULD WELL also have mental issues regarding her performances as Libero. I'm not disputing that, though I'd be interested to know what basis you had for the claim. But she definitely has technical ones. In addition, I'm not trying to "gotcha" you. I like your posts & appreciate your understanding of Nebraska and your friendship with Cook. I don't even think we disagree here about Courtney. It just seems certain people around here are very defensive when it comes to me making statements they disagree with. Initially those posters didn't like it when I was doing it with data. So they would say the data was out of context. So I've switched to using game film and they like it even less. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2020 10:03:31 GMT -5
Why do you keep bringing me up in conversations you're having with other posters? have a really really bad memory. You have repeatedly tagged me while I'm talking to other people. You pick a fight with me (usually over semantics), then you say something false like "Hentz and McClure cover 80% of the floor" or "KP doesn't pass front row - that is a fact". I post something that you can't argue with - like a screenshot of KP passing front row so you post a meme and try to act like I have an issue with you. I truly don't. You just can't seem to leave this stuff alone. It's a pattern that we can continue to repeat if you like, but you could just as easily stop quoting me in the first place... |
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Post by donut on Apr 27, 2020 10:14:22 GMT -5
lol you do realize those are replies, and not tags right (except for the first one, which was still only between me and you)? I wasn't badmouthing you in a conversation with another player (you didn't even give me the decency of a tag this time).
Regardless, ugh didn't hit delete fast enough
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Post by donut on Apr 27, 2020 10:16:18 GMT -5
Courtney is a fantastic athlete but I guess I just don't care to convert OH's to Liberos. At all. I don't care how good you pass if you can't play good defense (and all that that entails) too, you shouldn't be a libero. This is why we have a problem at that position. Karch would rather field a passing libero rather than a defensive one. He cares about being in system more because our hitters struggle to kill the ball OOS. This is likely due to his ridiculous need to run a fast offense, even in transition which baffles me sometimes. I mean we have hitters that can hit over the block if the set is high enough. I guess what I think is that there can be a happy medium somewhere in there. If he had just kept JWO and another TRUE libero in the mix this entire quad the team would have likely performed a little worse in the VNL's but that sacrifice could have paid off in the long run. The team would be better at scoring OOS and thus when they are in system, the system would have been more effective. At least that is how I see it. I could be completely wrong here and that is ok. Am I making any sense here? Setting aside coaching philosophies for a second, I think the frustration at "OHs coverting to liberos" is a bit misplaced. The lack of a libero pipeline is really the core issue here. However, even if we had a healthier libero pipeline, KRob could still be our best option, and in that case, I'd want to see her in that role, unless the opportunity cost of her not playing OH is too high (I'm not convinced it is right now). Additionally, the drop off between her and the next libero (Courtney or JWO) is significant, which might not be the case if there was a healthier libero pipeline. If we had a more robust libero pipeline, I think we wouldn't see as many OHs through the libero revolving door (we shouldn't be seeing Foecke or MBH there at all like wut), but I don't think we should systematically exclude them. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2020 10:27:59 GMT -5
lol you do realize those are replies, and not tags right (except for the first one, which was still only between me and you)? I wasn't badmouthing you in a conversation with another player (you didn't even give me the decency of a tag this time). Regardless, ugh didn't hit delete fast enough Haha Capt Semantic strikes again... Replies between me and other people. Not you. And the tag was you interjecting yourself into a conversation... by you tagging me! It's really not complicated. Stop quoting me and I'll stop answering you. Or keep jumping into conversations between me and other posters (funny that you called us players; I guess this might be a sport for you), it's up to you. But if you intend to keep it up, you can't claim I'm obsessed with you. I just don't like obviously false statements about volley. |
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Post by gibbyb1 on Apr 27, 2020 10:40:11 GMT -5
My post was about converting 6 rotation OH’s. I never spoke to Courtney’s technique. I referenced there may be an adjustment mentally in terms of possibly developing a different mindset. As for your offer on a tutorial, no thank you. As it relates to her technical skill and you preferring accurate and not inaccurate statements, you are assuming you are factual and others aren’t which is of course arrogance as you are stating YOUR opinion not a verifiable fact. OK so you don't want me to show you what I see, but you still want to categorize it as an opinion. Is it still an opinion if I can show you her doing it? Like the poster who said KP didn't pass front row, until I showed him otherwise. Or the one who didn't think the change over from Maloney to Knuckles had affected Sun in SR, until I showed him otherwise. Courtney DOES form her platform too early on defense. She DOES swing it when she digs. As I have said repeatedly around here, I'm always happy to back up this stuff. I think it's helpful for the conversation when people prove statements that others question. But thinking it's an opinion simply because you can't see it when you watch seems to be arrogant, no? Would it be an opinion for me to state that "KP was the most effective OOS terminator in the 2019 NC match"? You probably wouldn't think so because you can verify that on your own. But there's no difference between the two statements from a factual perspective. Again I'm not trying to be controversial here. I think understanding why Courtney struggles is an interesting conversation. She also COULD WELL also have mental issues regarding her performances as Libero. I'm not disputing that, though I'd be interested to know what basis you had for the claim. But she definitely has technical ones. In addition, I'm not trying to "gotcha" you. I like your posts & appreciate your understanding of Nebraska and your friendship with Cook. I don't even think we disagree here about Courtney. It just seems certain people around here are very defensive when it comes to me making statements they disagree with. Initially those posters didn't like it when I was doing it with data. So they would say the data was out of context. So I've switched to using game film and they like it even less. If you sat down and showed me video of why she has technical weaknesses, that would in fact be an opinion. It is very likely and probably a certainty I would agree with you but that would be us sharing the same opinion. I could sit down with and show you video of passers from Hawaii back in the day, or Stanford and you’d see ALL of the flaws you see in Courtney and they had some lights out passers. When you use data,(You often do) that would be fact, not opinion although one could argue whoever is doing the passing stats is in some way exercising opinion. The sky is blue is a fact. she’s not using good technique is opinion, no matter who is stating it. I don’t have any interest in a go round either, but when you dismiss people as wrong, or say “no” to an opinion they share, it makes for lousy discourse which is what I assume is the point of vtalk. Have a good one. |
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Post by Wichsen on Apr 27, 2020 10:52:05 GMT -5
Most of you wanted krob to play libero. Let's ask krob first if she wants to play libero 😁. I read somewhere on this site that she spoke with coaches and usnt that she doesn't want to be on that role for whatever reason. She also mentioned on her vlog her experience playing as libero is kind of frustrating for her because she can't help the team in terms of "points" she wants to hit the ball something like that.
But for me shebis still young. There is a still possibility that she'll still be in nt for 2024. But for this coming olympic, maybe she should consider playing libero for the team.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2020 10:53:57 GMT -5
OK so you don't want me to show you what I see, but you still want to categorize it as an opinion. Is it still an opinion if I can show you her doing it? Like the poster who said KP didn't pass front row, until I showed him otherwise. Or the one who didn't think the change over from Maloney to Knuckles had affected Sun in SR, until I showed him otherwise. Courtney DOES form her platform too early on defense. She DOES swing it when she digs. As I have said repeatedly around here, I'm always happy to back up this stuff. I think it's helpful for the conversation when people prove statements that others question. But thinking it's an opinion simply because you can't see it when you watch seems to be arrogant, no? Would it be an opinion for me to state that "KP was the most effective OOS terminator in the 2019 NC match"? You probably wouldn't think so because you can verify that on your own. But there's no difference between the two statements from a factual perspective. Again I'm not trying to be controversial here. I think understanding why Courtney struggles is an interesting conversation. She also COULD WELL also have mental issues regarding her performances as Libero. I'm not disputing that, though I'd be interested to know what basis you had for the claim. But she definitely has technical ones. In addition, I'm not trying to "gotcha" you. I like your posts & appreciate your understanding of Nebraska and your friendship with Cook. I don't even think we disagree here about Courtney. It just seems certain people around here are very defensive when it comes to me making statements they disagree with. Initially those posters didn't like it when I was doing it with data. So they would say the data was out of context. So I've switched to using game film and they like it even less. If you sat down and showed me video of why she has technical weaknesses, that would in fact be an opinion. It is very likely and probably a certainty I would agree with you but that would be us sharing the same opinion.  She forms her platform at her midline (habitually) and then swings it left. That causes her to be late with her platform and she shanks the ball sideways. If she formed her platform on her left, she'd cut off the ball and, at worst, it'd go directly upwards, but more likely she'd get towards her target. This is just one among a plethora of examples. You can think it's an opinion if you like - but that's what she does. I will add, since the semantic police are lurking, I'm sure, that this is very common among OHs and she isn't always late when she does it. But on the balls like this one, outside her body, it's often why she gets beat when she shouldn't. Therefore it's a technical issue. |
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Post by donut on Apr 27, 2020 11:07:28 GMT -5
lol you do realize those are replies, and not tags right (except for the first one, which was still only between me and you)? I wasn't badmouthing you in a conversation with another player (you didn't even give me the decency of a tag this time). Regardless, ugh didn't hit delete fast enough Haha Capt Semantic strikes again... Replies between me and other people. Not you. And the tag was you interjecting yourself into a conversation... by you tagging me! It's really not complicated. Stop quoting me and I'll stop answering you. Or keep jumping into conversations between me and other posters (funny that you called us players; I guess this might be a sport for you), it's up to you. But if you intend to keep it up, you can't claim I'm obsessed with you. I just don't like obviously false statements about volley. The tag was me not wanting to quote 800 paragraphs. But regardless, lol the fact you don’t understand the difference between me replying to you to engage with you, and you bringing up my name (or referencing me) in your replies to other POSTERS (Jesus), really speaks volumes about your reasoning skills (again). Whatever. Keep trying to drag me. I like the attention. |
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Post by n00b on Apr 27, 2020 11:27:53 GMT -5
Most of you wanted krob to play libero. Let's ask krob first if she wants to play libero 😁. I read somewhere on this site that she spoke with coaches and usnt that she doesn't want to be on that role for whatever reason. She also mentioned on her vlog her experience playing as libero is kind of frustrating for her because she can't help the team in terms of "points" she wants to hit the ball something like that. But for me shebis still young. There is a still possibility that she'll still be in nt for 2024. But for this coming olympic, maybe she should consider playing libero for the team. Right and this is the problem. In a team sport, not doing whatever it takes to help the team be successful is a REAL issue. |
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Post by c4ndlelight on Apr 27, 2020 11:32:30 GMT -5
Most of you wanted krob to play libero. Let's ask krob first if she wants to play libero 😁. I read somewhere on this site that she spoke with coaches and usnt that she doesn't want to be on that role for whatever reason. She also mentioned on her vlog her experience playing as libero is kind of frustrating for her because she can't help the team in terms of "points" she wants to hit the ball something like that. But for me shebis still young. There is a still possibility that she'll still be in nt for 2024. But for this coming olympic, maybe she should consider playing libero for the team. Right and this is the problem. In a team sport, not doing whatever it takes to help the team be successful is a REAL issue. No, you're wrong. It's only DIVA behavior if a woman of color does it. |
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