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Post by bbg95 on May 24, 2024 19:37:33 GMT -5
Why is Micronesia so low for you? A few reasons: 1. I dislike the fans v. favorites format, which is a massive advantage for the returning players. The only time I liked it was Blood v. Water because the returning players actually had to care about what was going on with the other tribe because their loved ones were there. 2. There were like five quits, pseudo-quits and medevacs that disrupted the game more than probably any other in Survivor history. 3. This led to a situation where the wrong person actually won the game, which has only happened two other times (Ben and Yul). If there's a final three like there should have been, Cirie is 100% winning unless she absolutely bombs at Final Tribal Council due to how unpopular Amanda and Parvati were with the jury. Unlikely. It doesn't help that Parvati has the most annoying fans among the Survivor fanbase who keep whining about Heroes v. Villains. Micronesia has some good moments. The episode where Erik gives up immunity (maybe the best move of Cirie's entire Survivor career) is one of the best ever. But I just can't get over Cirie getting robbed because of late-game production interference. It would be top 20, maybe top 15 if she had won.
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Post by storyteller on May 24, 2024 19:50:39 GMT -5
Why is Micronesia so low for you? A few reasons: 1. I dislike the fans v. favorites format, which is a massive advantage for the returning players. The only time I liked it was Blood v. Water because the returning players actually had to care about what was going on with the other tribe because their loved ones were there. 2. There were like five quits, pseudo-quits and medevacs that disrupted the game more than probably any other in Survivor history. 3. This led to a situation where the wrong person actually won the game, which has only happened two other times (Ben and Yul). If there's a final three like there should have been, Cirie is 100% winning unless she absolutely bombs at Final Tribal Council due to how unpopular Amanda and Parvati were with the jury. Unlikely. It doesn't help that Parvati has the most annoying fans among the Survivor fanbase who keep whining about Heroes v. Villains. Micronesia has some good moments. The episode where Erik gives up immunity (maybe the best move of Cirie's entire Survivor career) is one of the best ever. But I just can't get over Cirie getting robbed because of late-game production interference. It would be top 20, maybe top 15 if she had won. Fair points. I love Micronesia and love Parvati, but I don't like the surprise final 2 (or any surprise endgame twist) either. Cirie's exit interview is heartbreaking.
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Post by vbman100 on May 24, 2024 19:52:42 GMT -5
Charlie clearly had some issues with his jury management. He wasn't as bad as someone like Russell, but he clearly didn't do enough to convince at least one more juror to vote for him. And he failed to realize how popular Kenzie was with the jury. This is another example of how dangerous it is to let someone the jury loves get to the end of the game. I looked into Maria's exit press. She admitted that Q's question did sway her to vote for Kenzie, which makes more sense than her original explanation about the fire. And as classy as Charlie was at the after show, he's not exactly covering himself in glory right now. He's making a lot of passive aggressive comments about how he has "no ill will" toward Maria, but he doesn't need to be friends with her. Like, bro. You are clearly bitter. I don't even blame him, as it cost him a million dollars (though, again, there were other jurors whose votes he also lost). But just own it. It's more than a little ironic to me that Charlie complains about Maria's reasoning for her vote shifting, but his response to that vote has also been all over the place. He can choose to be classy, or he can choose to be bitter (or just say nothing). Right now, he's trying to do both, and I'm not buying it. With Maria using Rock Paper Scissors to decide who would go on the reward with her, it doesn’t surprise me how she has flip flopped. Parent Coach? Wtf is that anyway? I wouldn’t want her coaching parents with what they showed from her. And was it the Venus or Tiff vote when Kenzie said now is the time to vote them off, and then backpedaled, and then Maria got it done, I’m not sure how Maria votes for Kenzie to win. And the question about how they would use the money. Isn’t that something discussed usually during the gameplay day to day? Why are they asking it now at FTC? Seems forced by production. If I was out there, it would be one of the first questions I would ask people, and certainly if I made the merge. For Kenzie to talk about how she has always put others first and is unselfish, I think that has some truth, but when your body is covered in tats, you have some selfishness, and that costs some money too.
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Post by bbg95 on May 24, 2024 20:13:55 GMT -5
A few reasons: 1. I dislike the fans v. favorites format, which is a massive advantage for the returning players. The only time I liked it was Blood v. Water because the returning players actually had to care about what was going on with the other tribe because their loved ones were there. 2. There were like five quits, pseudo-quits and medevacs that disrupted the game more than probably any other in Survivor history. 3. This led to a situation where the wrong person actually won the game, which has only happened two other times (Ben and Yul). If there's a final three like there should have been, Cirie is 100% winning unless she absolutely bombs at Final Tribal Council due to how unpopular Amanda and Parvati were with the jury. Unlikely. It doesn't help that Parvati has the most annoying fans among the Survivor fanbase who keep whining about Heroes v. Villains. Micronesia has some good moments. The episode where Erik gives up immunity (maybe the best move of Cirie's entire Survivor career) is one of the best ever. But I just can't get over Cirie getting robbed because of late-game production interference. It would be top 20, maybe top 15 if she had won. Fair points. I love Micronesia and love Parvati, but I don't like the surprise final 2 (or any surprise endgame twist) either. Cirie's exit interview is heartbreaking. Yeah, I concede that I have a minority viewpoint on Microesia. And Parvati is pretty entertaining. It's her Taylor Swift-esque fans and their constant need to undermine Sandra (at least on Reddit, which is where I have the majority of my Survivor discussion) that annoy me. And I think if Cirie had known that it was a final two well in advance, she would have approached the game differently because she knew that Amanda and Parvati were each other's top allies. That was fine with a final three because she can just beat them both. But with a final two, she gets voted out at three nearly every time because she's just not really capable of winning immunity challenges, much less against players that are as athletic as Amanda and Parvati. So she'd have to break them up.
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Post by bluepenquin on May 25, 2024 6:08:07 GMT -5
Charlie clearly had some issues with his jury management. He wasn't as bad as someone like Russell, but he clearly didn't do enough to convince at least one more juror to vote for him. And he failed to realize how popular Kenzie was with the jury. This is another example of how dangerous it is to let someone the jury loves get to the end of the game. I looked into Maria's exit press. She admitted that Q's question did sway her to vote for Kenzie, which makes more sense than her original explanation about the fire. And as classy as Charlie was at the after show, he's not exactly covering himself in glory right now. He's making a lot of passive aggressive comments about how he has "no ill will" toward Maria, but he doesn't need to be friends with her. Like, bro. You are clearly bitter. I don't even blame him, as it cost him a million dollars (though, again, there were other jurors whose votes he also lost). But just own it. It's more than a little ironic to me that Charlie complains about Maria's reasoning for her vote shifting, but his response to that vote has also been all over the place. He can choose to be classy, or he can choose to be bitter (or just say nothing). Right now, he's trying to do both, and I'm not buying it. With Maria using Rock Paper Scissors to decide who would go on the reward with her, it doesn’t surprise me how she has flip flopped. Parent Coach? Wtf is that anyway? I wouldn’t want her coaching parents with what they showed from her. And was it the Venus or Tiff vote when Kenzie said now is the time to vote them off, and then backpedaled, and then Maria got it done, I’m not sure how Maria votes for Kenzie to win. And the question about how they would use the money. Isn’t that something discussed usually during the gameplay day to day? Why are they asking it now at FTC? Seems forced by production. If I was out there, it would be one of the first questions I would ask people, and certainly if I made the merge. For Kenzie to talk about how she has always put others first and is unselfish, I think that has some truth, but when your body is covered in tats, you have some selfishness, and that costs some money too. Yes - people discuss their financial status during the game and I am sure it has had an impact (I still don't like it). Apparently, Liz had made it known that she was a millionaire but was going to drop on the final jury that she is rather poor - and this was part of the reason she thought she was going to win. Players will generally hide their wealth in order to have a chance if they make it to final. But then you can get the situation that a player that is particularly poor may want to hide this lest they get voted off before FTC. Maria's logic for voting for Kenzie over Charlie makes no sense - and why I believe the likely reason she didn't vote for Charlie is due to his personality. Something went sideways with her relationship with Charlie that in the end, she didn't want him to win.
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Post by bluepenquin on May 25, 2024 6:11:11 GMT -5
Fair points. I love Micronesia and love Parvati, but I don't like the surprise final 2 (or any surprise endgame twist) either. Cirie's exit interview is heartbreaking. Yeah, I concede that I have a minority viewpoint on Microesia. And Parvati is pretty entertaining. It's her Taylor Swift-esque fans and their constant need to undermine Sandra (at least on Reddit, which is where I have the majority of my Survivor discussion) that annoy me. And I think if Cirie had known that it was a final two well in advance, she would have approached the game differently because she knew that Amanda and Parvati were each other's top allies. That was fine with a final three because she can just beat them both. But with a final two, she gets voted out at three nearly every time because she's just not really capable of winning immunity challenges, much less against players that are as athletic as Amanda and Parvati. So she'd have to break them up. Funny how we view this completely different. Pavati is on my Mount Rushmore for all time Survivor players. Not only was she the deserving winner on Micronesia, I felt she should have won season 20 - and her game play on Season 20 was so good given the major target that was on her back from the very beginning. And by the same token - I consider Sandra among the worst Survivor winners. We have stated our disagreements on this before - no need to hash them over again.
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Post by bbg95 on May 25, 2024 10:08:55 GMT -5
Yeah, I concede that I have a minority viewpoint on Microesia. And Parvati is pretty entertaining. It's her Taylor Swift-esque fans and their constant need to undermine Sandra (at least on Reddit, which is where I have the majority of my Survivor discussion) that annoy me. And I think if Cirie had known that it was a final two well in advance, she would have approached the game differently because she knew that Amanda and Parvati were each other's top allies. That was fine with a final three because she can just beat them both. But with a final two, she gets voted out at three nearly every time because she's just not really capable of winning immunity challenges, much less against players that are as athletic as Amanda and Parvati. So she'd have to break them up. Funny how we view this completely different. Pavati is on my Mount Rushmore for all time Survivor players. Not only was she the deserving winner on Micronesia, I felt she should have won season 20 - and her game play on Season 20 was so good given the major target that was on her back from the very beginning. And by the same token - I consider Sandra among the worst Survivor winners. We have stated our disagreements on this before - no need to hash them over again. Parvati didn't deserve to win either season, and Sandra deservedly won both of hers. Again, the entire point of Survivor is to get to the end and get the jury votes. Parvati was only able to do that once production robbed Cirie of her rightful win, and she got trounced by Sandra. Parvati is poor at jury management, so it's hard for her to win unless she gets to the end with people who are even more unpopular. She voluntarily took Cirie to the final three, which should have been a game-losing mistake until production meddled with the result due to their own incompetence (there are other ways to handle a medevac, as we've seen in other seasons). Honestly, she isn't great at threat level management either, which is the other key Survivor skill. Meanwhile, Sandra excels at both. In Heroes v. Villains specifically, Parvati's decision to hide her idol from Russell is one of the worst moves in Survivor history, and it cost her the game. Also, the only reason she wasn't voted out pre-merge is because that bonehead Tyson voted himself out of the game, which allowed Russell to take control. Parvati wasn't even the dominant strategic player of that season, as Russell ran almost every vote for the rest of the game. If Parvati was such a mastermind, how was she not able to prevent her other goat (Danielle) from getting voted out? Because she wasn't the power player on that season--Russell was. And the best social player that season was Sandra by a mile. Survivor is a social game first and foremost, so that result was unsurprising.
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Post by bbg95 on May 25, 2024 10:18:12 GMT -5
With Maria using Rock Paper Scissors to decide who would go on the reward with her, it doesn’t surprise me how she has flip flopped. Parent Coach? Wtf is that anyway? I wouldn’t want her coaching parents with what they showed from her. And was it the Venus or Tiff vote when Kenzie said now is the time to vote them off, and then backpedaled, and then Maria got it done, I’m not sure how Maria votes for Kenzie to win. And the question about how they would use the money. Isn’t that something discussed usually during the gameplay day to day? Why are they asking it now at FTC? Seems forced by production. If I was out there, it would be one of the first questions I would ask people, and certainly if I made the merge. For Kenzie to talk about how she has always put others first and is unselfish, I think that has some truth, but when your body is covered in tats, you have some selfishness, and that costs some money too. Yes - people discuss their financial status during the game and I am sure it has had an impact (I still don't like it). Apparently, Liz had made it known that she was a millionaire but was going to drop on the final jury that she is rather poor - and this was part of the reason she thought she was going to win. Players will generally hide their wealth in order to have a chance if they make it to final. But then you can get the situation that a player that is particularly poor may want to hide this lest they get voted off before FTC. Maria's logic for voting for Kenzie over Charlie makes no sense - and why I believe the likely reason she didn't vote for Charlie is due to his personality. Something went sideways with her relationship with Charlie that in the end, she didn't want him to win. It would have been very amusing for Liz to reveal that she isn't actually a millionaire, only for the jury to not care and give her zero votes to win. I agree with you that there must be something that we didn't really see with Maria and Charlie's relationship that led her to prefer that Kenzie win instead.
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Post by bluepenquin on May 25, 2024 13:49:09 GMT -5
Funny how we view this completely different. Pavati is on my Mount Rushmore for all time Survivor players. Not only was she the deserving winner on Micronesia, I felt she should have won season 20 - and her game play on Season 20 was so good given the major target that was on her back from the very beginning. And by the same token - I consider Sandra among the worst Survivor winners. We have stated our disagreements on this before - no need to hash them over again. Parvati didn't deserve to win either season, and Sandra deservedly won both of hers. Again, the entire point of Survivor is to get to the end and get the jury votes. Parvati was only able to do that once production robbed Cirie of her rightful win, and she got trounced by Sandra. Parvati is poor at jury management, so it's hard for her to win unless she gets to the end with people who are even more unpopular. She voluntarily took Cirie to the final three, which should have been a game-losing mistake until production meddled with the result due to their own incompetence (there are other ways to handle a medevac, as we've seen in other seasons). Honestly, she isn't great at threat level management either, which is the other key Survivor skill. Meanwhile, Sandra excels at both. In Heroes v. Villains specifically, Parvati's decision to hide her idol from Russell is one of the worst moves in Survivor history, and it cost her the game. Also, the only reason she wasn't voted out pre-merge is because that bonehead Tyson voted himself out of the game, which allowed Russell to take control. Parvati wasn't even the dominant strategic player of that season, as Russell ran almost every vote for the rest of the game. If Parvati was such a mastermind, how was she not able to prevent her other goat (Danielle) from getting voted out? Because she wasn't the power player on that season--Russell was. And the best social player that season was Sandra by a mile. Survivor is a social game first and foremost, so that result was unsurprising. Your memory/recall of past seasons trumps me by miles. I watched each season as they came out from the beginning - then watched the 1st 40 seasons over Covid - and I still don't recall a fraction of what you are remembering. I am not seeing Sandra as a good/great social player. It seems like her strategy was only to survive each vote. As long as it isn't me, I am good. I barely remember her in the season she won - as at the time it was Ruppert that dominated the news as it was happening (which is a fascinating story of itself). I remember at the time when they got to the final 6 or so - I was like, who is this person - has she been on the show? Parvati's 1st season was a disaster (much like Boston Rob). I guess one could say her 2nd season where she won is marred by Fans vs. Favorites. I thought that season was awesome (that isn't an idol, that is a _____ stick!). I cannot remember the exact voting, but I am thinking that she was getting most of the fan's votes in FTC that I am not convinced Cirie was getting. I also didn't remember the circumstances for only having a final 2 (which wasn't that unusual at the time) while they were expecting a final 3. Season 20 - another of my favorites that now has Pavarti and Sandra starting in the same tribe. Pavarti was a major underdog going into that season. People didn't like her going in - she had way more baggage's than Sandra, who really wasn't considered a threat. Russell's strategy game play was very good - but it wasn't like Pavarti was just an idol bystander. Didn't she totally play the girl (cannot remember her name) that she beat in FTC in her win - that gave them a huge advantage post merge? I cannot remember the specifics - but I was thinking it was a huge play. She hiding the idol from Russell and playing it at the right time was outstanding theatre/TV. It also put into the jury - she wasn't just Russell's puppet - she was directing strategy. She had the social game to let Russell be in charge in most cases - otherwise everything for her gets blown up, while still holding back enough that she was doing something (and I think a lot). Sandra doesn't win if the jury wasn't mostly Heroes and she was sitting next to two villains. As she played no part in the Heroes being on the jury - that was all Russell and Pavarti. If this was Sandra's strategy - I would have great respect for her. But it wasn't - she just lucked into this. Pavarti gets votes from Villains Jerri, Coach, and Danielle. Sandra gets the vote from her good friend (and totally useless player) Courtney. Sandra gets votes from all of the Heroes - who probably all vote for Danielle over Parvati had it been Danielle instead of Sandra in the final 3. At least with Danielle - she secured a vote.
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Post by ant on May 26, 2024 0:15:54 GMT -5
Was I missing something or was Liz completely delusional when she thought she would win?
I don’t think how the winner will use the money should be the criteria who should win. It makes the game almost irrelevant. Q’s question and basis for his vote made no sense.
I don’t understand how Maria could vote for Kenzie. Kenzie did all she could to choke at fire. She was lucky Liz sucked worse. Charlie played well in first getting out her loyal partner S outbefore getting her out. Maybe she was bitter or liked all the praise Kenzie gave her.
Kenzie was not as strategic. She won fewer challenges. She did not place herself in positions to sway people to vote in ways to protect herself. She was well liked and seems like a good person. That is not how I would base my vote.
Oh well. It is just a silly show but thought Charlie was much more deserving to win.
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