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Post by trojansc on Jul 24, 2020 16:51:23 GMT -5
The irony about choosing James Madison as a bad loss is that James Madison has been a consistent borderline Top 50 RPI team for the past 4 years. If he was trying to beat down LBSU for bad losses - he should have picked San Diego State (much much much much worse) or UC Davis. What do you expect? He has zero clue about the sport. Which is why it's funny when other posters suggest that the detractors in this thread actually mean anything. I'm fine with people exposing themselves! I think being able to beat good competition is very important. Those are usually more telling than the "bad losses". I'm not as concerned that Hawaii lost to UC Irvine (and subsequently having a miraculous comeback to beat Cal State Fullerton) when they were able beat Washington, San Diego, Missouri, Cal Poly, UCSB, etc..... Long Beach State, who was a mess last season, at least showed me that ability to compete with good teams. Unfortunately, they didn't win the close games. They scheduled a tough non-conference but they didn't get rolled by those teams. Here are some scores: (and help explain why Pablo was more favorable towards LBSU) Georgia Tech - L, 1-3 (23-25, 20-25, 28-26, 28-30) UCLA - L 0-3 (29-31, 25-27, 25-27) Florida - L, 2-3 (27-25, 16-25, 20-25, 25-19, 17-19) UCSB - W, 3-0 (25-22, 25-19, 25-18) Cal Poly - W 3-1 (25-18, 23-25, 25-17, 25-19) They did have some ugly lines as well USC - L, 0-3 (21-25, 11-25, 20-25) San Diego - L, 0-3 (8-25, 13-25, 23-25) CSUF - L, 0-3 23-25, 23-25, 24-26
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Post by silverchloride on Jul 24, 2020 16:56:40 GMT -5
Well, this has taken a turn for the worse.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2020 17:00:30 GMT -5
What do you expect? He has zero clue about the sport. Which is why it's funny when other posters suggest that the detractors in this thread actually mean anything. I'm fine with people exposing themselves! I think being able to beat good competition is very important. Those are usually more telling than the "bad losses". I'm not as concerned that Hawaii lost to UC Irvine (and subsequently having a miraculous comeback to beat Cal State Fullerton) when they were able beat Washington, San Diego, Missouri, Cal Poly, UCSB, etc..... Long Beach State, who was a mess last season, at least showed me that ability to compete with good teams. Unfortunately, they didn't win the close games. They scheduled a tough non-conference but they didn't get rolled by those teams. Here are some scores: (and help explain why Pablo was more favorable towards LBSU) Georgia Tech - L, 1-3 (23-25, 20-25, 28-26, 28-30) UCLA - L 0-3 (29-31, 25-27, 25-27) Florida - L, 2-3 (27-25, 16-25, 20-25, 25-19, 17-19) UCSB - W, 3-0 (25-22, 25-19, 25-18) Cal Poly - W 3-1 (25-18, 23-25, 25-17, 25-19) They did have some ugly lines as well USC - L, 0-3 (21-25, 11-25, 20-25) San Diego - L, 0-3 (8-25, 13-25, 23-25) CSUF - L, 0-3 23-25, 23-25, 24-26 Agree completely. I'm more than happy to be wrong about my optimism regarding Beach but so far not one single poster that doubts them has given any indication they actually watched them play in 2019, know anything tangible about their strengths and weaknesses or is well informed about their incoming class. Those denigrating have mentioned "poor passing" (they passed well in 2019 and should be better in 2020), "low RPI" (you've done a good job of explaining that relative to Pablo) and the fact that "they haven't been good in decades" (which has absolutely no bearing on 2020). So until someone who actually knows something about the roster can explain why they aren't good enough to challenge Poly and Hawaii, I'm not going to attribute too much prescience to the naysayers.
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Post by jwvolley on Jul 24, 2020 17:01:41 GMT -5
What do you expect? He has zero clue about the sport. Zero clue about irrelevant conferences who don’t do anything with %*$# teams. Correct. If it's an irrelevant conference to you then why are you commenting on a thread about a player and the impact they could have on a team IN THAT CONFERENCE?? You seem to REALLY want to emphasize just how lacking LBSU is in talent and how their players are not talented at anything except losing and the program is such a joke and blah blah blah.
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Post by n00b on Jul 24, 2020 17:02:29 GMT -5
My question? Regardless of how good Tuaniga is, this is a squad that finished #122 in the RPI last year and graduated 2 of the 3 players they landed on the All-Conference team. Yeah, they have a highly-rated recruiting class (although part of that is certainly due to the volume of recruits), but teams don't typically jump from #120 to Top 50. Regardless of how good the best player on the team is, how good will the team be?? You get why that's not a good question right? Your supposition that a dubious reaction from (some) VT posters indicates underlying issues on this roster is a spectacular exaggeration of the collective knowledge of those posters. I'd suggest it's far more likely that said posters didn't watch Beach last year, don't know the incoming players and are basing their opinion solely on RPI from 2019. To be clear, I'm not a Beach fan but having watched almost all of their matches in 2019, there were many issues which might be ameliorated in 2020 including injuries, issues with setting, issues with ball control and issues defensively. One of those departing players that made all conference in 2019 is a loss, the other only made that list on reputation. She didn't have a great year and I expect her replacement (Nicole Hoff) will be better. So they'll definitely be better in 2020. Are they guaranteed to be top 50? No but I think they're clearly superior to UCSB (a top 50 team from 2019 - and if you want to see a jump in RPI, check them from 2018 to 2019). They should push Cal Poly and Hawaii to win the conference. If they are top 2 in the BW, I think they'd be top 50, don't you? I guess it depends on what we’re thinking they’ll jump to. Oddly, I definitely think they can finish second in the BW but I don’t think they can contend to win the league. Hawaii is that much better than everybody else and that second tier looks like it’ll be a mess. Hawaii could win the league by 5 matches. 2nd in the BW? If they have 2 losses, then yeah they’ll definitely be top 50. If there’s a jumble and they get second with 5 losses, probably not. They’ll be SUPER young and that usually comes with inconsistency so I think the latter is more likely.
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Post by trojansc on Jul 24, 2020 17:07:26 GMT -5
Zero clue about irrelevant conferences who don’t do anything with %*$# teams. Correct. If it's an irrelevant conference to you then why are you commenting on a thread about a player and the impact they could have on a team IN THAT CONFERENCE?? You seem to REALLY want to emphasize just how lacking LBSU is in talent and how their players are not talented at anything except losing and the program is such a joke and blah blah blah. This is what I was arguing earlier. Western Kentucky isn't a great team until they're up 2-0 on Top 4 seed Kentucky in the NCAA Tournament. Neither is UCSB until they're up 2-1 on No.2 seed Texas in the 2nd round. Neither is LMU until they sweep Stanford 3-0 on their home court. There are very very good mid-majors every year (LBSU wasn't one last year, but we can't say they won't regain that status) Being in the Big West and WCC is very unforgiving for RPI.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2020 17:09:48 GMT -5
Regardless of how good the best player on the team is, how good will the team be?? You get why that's not a good question right? Your supposition that a dubious reaction from (some) VT posters indicates underlying issues on this roster is a spectacular exaggeration of the collective knowledge of those posters. I'd suggest it's far more likely that said posters didn't watch Beach last year, don't know the incoming players and are basing their opinion solely on RPI from 2019. To be clear, I'm not a Beach fan but having watched almost all of their matches in 2019, there were many issues which might be ameliorated in 2020 including injuries, issues with setting, issues with ball control and issues defensively. One of those departing players that made all conference in 2019 is a loss, the other only made that list on reputation. She didn't have a great year and I expect her replacement (Nicole Hoff) will be better. So they'll definitely be better in 2020. Are they guaranteed to be top 50? No but I think they're clearly superior to UCSB (a top 50 team from 2019 - and if you want to see a jump in RPI, check them from 2018 to 2019). They should push Cal Poly and Hawaii to win the conference. If they are top 2 in the BW, I think they'd be top 50, don't you? I guess it depends on what we’re thinking they’ll jump to. Oddly, I definitely think they can finish second in the BW but I don’t think they can contend to win the league. Hawaii is that much better than everybody else and that second tier looks like it’ll be a mess. Hawaii could win the league by 5 matches. 2nd in the BW? If they have 2 losses, then yeah they’ll definitely be top 50. If there’s a jumble and they get second with 5 losses, probably not. They’ll be SUPER young and that usually comes with inconsistency so I think the latter is more likely. After the loss of Hanna Hellvig you think Hawaii wins the conference "by 5 matches"?? Do you know who they're playing at Opp? Or libero? Or setter?? I follow that conference more closely than I follow any other and right now all 3 contenders have questions: Hawaii - passing & Opp, Poly - passing, Beach - blocking but I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Hawaii finish third in conference (I've still picked them to win, but it's WAY closer than you think it is).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2020 17:13:05 GMT -5
If it's an irrelevant conference to you then why are you commenting on a thread about a player and the impact they could have on a team IN THAT CONFERENCE?? You seem to REALLY want to emphasize just how lacking LBSU is in talent and how their players are not talented at anything except losing and the program is such a joke and blah blah blah. because it’s absolutely ridiculous how you clowns deem one recruit to be the coming of Christ and name an era after her. Also because you claim they are a talented roster. These blatant lies with no supporting evidence is what annoys me. Ok they have/had %*$# middles that barely got above the net, a weak Opp with %*$# footwork and blocking technique, a terrible setter, and an outside who jumped high but that’s pretty much it and was more concerned with her weave and makeup during the match. What did I miss? Oh that Ms. Harward, their Libero, was the best player on that team, and should’ve been used at outside more than she was. This is possibly the most inaccurate (and low key bigoted) summary of a team I've ever seen on this site. Harward was a weakness and both their DSs outplayed her. It's astonishing that you're still in this thread putting your ignorance on full display... Didn't your last attempt at analysis ("Mac May doesn't have an all around game") make you look clueless enough??
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Post by jwvolley on Jul 24, 2020 17:19:02 GMT -5
If it's an irrelevant conference to you then why are you commenting on a thread about a player and the impact they could have on a team IN THAT CONFERENCE?? You seem to REALLY want to emphasize just how lacking LBSU is in talent and how their players are not talented at anything except losing and the program is such a joke and blah blah blah. was more concerned with her weave and makeup during the match. The only clown here is you making these types of comments.
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Post by trojansc on Jul 24, 2020 17:21:15 GMT -5
I guess it depends on what we’re thinking they’ll jump to. Oddly, I definitely think they can finish second in the BW but I don’t think they can contend to win the league. Hawaii is that much better than everybody else and that second tier looks like it’ll be a mess. Hawaii could win the league by 5 matches. 2nd in the BW? If they have 2 losses, then yeah they’ll definitely be top 50. If there’s a jumble and they get second with 5 losses, probably not. They’ll be SUPER young and that usually comes with inconsistency so I think the latter is more likely. You think Hawaii is that much better than Cal Poly? I don't know. Both have big question marks. Hawaii lost Hellvig, don't return their setting, and had major issues at Libero last year. History ain't on Rasmussen's side either.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2020 17:25:17 GMT -5
This is possibly the most inaccurate (and low key bigoted) summary of a team I've ever seen on this site. Harward was a weakness and both their DSs outplayed her. It's astonishing that you're still in this thread putting your ignorance on full display... Didn't your last attempt at analysis ("Mac May doesn't have an all around game") make you look clueless enough?? explain my bigotry. Go ahead. Outplayed her at what? A 12-19 record? Maybe they should’ve switched it up. Maybe have more success. And what’s really funny is you say Mac May has an all around game but people with better numbers don’t. You’re so hypocritical it’s funny. Passing and defense. I have posted Harward's stats vs Hoff & Hill before - but you don't even know who those two players are. Harward wasn't even playing D in A5 (which you'd have known, if you'd actually watched any of the team). Honestly, your posts on anything but your infatuation with KP are just funny (those are kinda creepy). And no, Megan McClure didn't have "better numbers" than Mac May. She didn't hit better, pass better or serve better... Keep trying though!
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Post by jwvolley on Jul 24, 2020 17:27:25 GMT -5
explain my bigotry. Go ahead. Outplayed her at what? A 12-19 record? Maybe they should’ve switched it up. Maybe have more success. And what’s really funny is you say Mac May has an all around game but people with better numbers don’t. You’re so hypocritical it’s funny. Passing and defense. I have posted Harward's stats vs Hoff & Hill before - but you don't even know who those two players are. He's too busy drawing conclusions from people's hair
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Post by jammaster on Jul 24, 2020 17:45:07 GMT -5
I have heard a lot of good things about their coach, Joy. Maybe their recruiting power is up due to her positive reputation and that could lead to an upswing in the program. Stranger things have happened.
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Post by eldorado on Jul 24, 2020 17:48:56 GMT -5
Zero clue about irrelevant conferences who don’t do anything with %*$# teams. Correct. If it's an irrelevant conference to you then why are you commenting on a thread about a player and the impact they could have on a team IN THAT CONFERENCE?? You seem to REALLY want to emphasize just how lacking LBSU is in talent and how their players are not talented at anything except losing and the program is such a joke and blah blah blah. ”Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig likes it.” - George Bernard Shaw
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Post by Riviera Minestrone on Jul 24, 2020 17:55:58 GMT -5
I have heard a lot of good things about their coach, Joy. Maybe their recruiting power is up due to her positive reputation and that could lead to an upswing in the program. Stranger things have happened. Wooooo: watch out for BeachbytheBay (wherever he is/ MIA) with that opinion of their coach!
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