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Post by ay2013 on Jul 28, 2020 19:01:46 GMT -5
Mens and Women's preseason basketball overlaps with the volleyball regular season for 3 weeks. And even then, some of the pre-season basketball tournaments are held at sites off campus (which there will be less of given the money grab professional sports will want to capitalize on regarding their lost season). That's a far outcry from the month(s) of overlap. We already have post season volleyball sites that CANNOT host due to conflicts with basketball. Imagine that for 2-3 months? Gymnastics will also need to utilize, what is for many campuses, the same indoor arena. Same goes for Mens volleyball. And then when are all of these being played? the same time as a Saturday football game? a possible NFL Sunday football game? the same time as a mens or womens soccer match? 100+ D1 schools compete in Lacrosse (many of them having mens AND womens teams, who also use the soccer fields, Track and Field events are often held in the same stadiums as Football, Baseball and Softball are utilizing the ball fields (each of these sports playing like 60 matches?). Can't fit too many of these during the weekdays because athletes have CLASS to attend and you risk nobody showing up, which means less revenue, which means you are spending MORE money just so an athlete can compete....at that point why play at all!? Then you have to find space and time for all of these teams to train and practice. Like I said, a handful of schools have enough resources and facilities to probably make this work, but what I'm describing above is a logistical nightmare for the vast majority of schools and it's probably just NOT worth it. Just cancel some NCAA sports for the academic year, it's not the end of the world. I’m taking about playing in Mar-June, when most b-ball arenas aren’t being used for much. Training camp in Jan/Feb, depending on early vaccine availability. Something like that. Smarter people than me can figure it out. If there are no fall sports there are no fall sports. Winter sports won't be starting in November, they'd be starting in Jan-Feb, at the earliest, which means March - May is still in the full season. The NCAA and member schools actually MAKE money on college basketball. They are going to get as "full" of a basketball season as they can. You are absolutely kidding yourself if you don't think there won't be significant overlap for all fall/winter/spring sports should the decision be made to essentially do all intercollegiate sports in 2021.
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Post by ay2013 on Jul 28, 2020 21:13:38 GMT -5
COVID-19 hits the Michigan Volleyball program: "...Michigan is halting voluntary workouts for ice hockey, volleyball, swimming and diving and field hockey, an athletic department spokesperson told The Daily. Workouts have been paused because of both positive COVID-19 test results and contact tracing, according to a statement sent by the athletic department." this is exactly why there will not be a fall season. Exposure and contact tracing works if you don't see very many people, but these are college student athletes. Beyond the sports and training, there is simply way too much co-mingling between the sexes and sports. Any exposure is going to rapidly descend to other sports, halting training, practice, games etc.
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Post by n00b on Jul 28, 2020 21:36:09 GMT -5
I’m taking about playing in Mar-June, when most b-ball arenas aren’t being used for much. Training camp in Jan/Feb, depending on early vaccine availability. Something like that. Smarter people than me can figure it out. If there are no fall sports there are no fall sports. Winter sports won't be starting in November, they'd be starting in Jan-Feb, at the earliest, which means March - May is still in the full season. The NCAA and member schools actually MAKE money on college basketball. They are going to get as "full" of a basketball season as they can. You are absolutely kidding yourself if you don't think there won't be significant overlap for all fall/winter/spring sports should the decision be made to essentially do all intercollegiate sports in 2021. I agree with your overall point that the logistics of making a spring season work are extremely complicated. However, I'm not sure I agree that fall sports being postponed would mean that basketball doesn't start on time. I've heard big name basketball coaches make the argument that when the students go home for Thanksgiving (and not return at most schools), that's a perfect opportunity to play games because nobody else is on campus. Thus, easier to prevent COVID transmission.
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Post by ineedajob on Jul 28, 2020 21:45:29 GMT -5
If there are no fall sports there are no fall sports. Winter sports won't be starting in November, they'd be starting in Jan-Feb, at the earliest, which means March - May is still in the full season. The NCAA and member schools actually MAKE money on college basketball. They are going to get as "full" of a basketball season as they can. You are absolutely kidding yourself if you don't think there won't be significant overlap for all fall/winter/spring sports should the decision be made to essentially do all intercollegiate sports in 2021. I agree with your overall point that the logistics of making a spring season work are extremely complicated. However, I'm not sure I agree that fall sports being postponed would mean that basketball doesn't start on time. I've heard big name basketball coaches make the argument that when the students go home for Thanksgiving (and not return at most schools), that's a perfect opportunity to play games because nobody else is on campus. Thus, easier to prevent COVID transmission. Let me know when you hear a non-basketball coach make the argument.
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Post by n00b on Jul 28, 2020 21:48:00 GMT -5
I agree with your overall point that the logistics of making a spring season work are extremely complicated. However, I'm not sure I agree that fall sports being postponed would mean that basketball doesn't start on time. I've heard big name basketball coaches make the argument that when the students go home for Thanksgiving (and not return at most schools), that's a perfect opportunity to play games because nobody else is on campus. Thus, easier to prevent COVID transmission. Let me know when you hear a non-basketball coach make the argument. I think there's a reason that conferences have been announcing that fall sports are postponed. Not 'all sports for the fall semester'. Administrators want basketball too.
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Post by mommy on Jul 28, 2020 22:03:05 GMT -5
August 4th we should know more.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 8:37:17 GMT -5
I’m taking about playing in Mar-June, when most b-ball arenas aren’t being used for much. Training camp in Jan/Feb, depending on early vaccine availability. Something like that. Smarter people than me can figure it out. If there are no fall sports there are no fall sports. Winter sports won't be starting in November, they'd be starting in Jan-Feb, at the earliest, which means March - May is still in the full season. The NCAA and member schools actually MAKE money on college basketball. They are going to get as "full" of a basketball season as they can. You are absolutely kidding yourself if you don't think there won't be significant overlap for all fall/winter/spring sports should the decision be made to essentially do all intercollegiate sports in 2021. Good points, you're probably correct.
Maybe it's not as big a deal for Big Ten, PAC-12, etc. schools.
“I think everybody has gotten to the point where they’d like to see us move to the spring,” Sheffield said on the Point Wisconsin podcast. “Let’s stop trying to move this back. We don’t even have a conference schedule right now, and we’re 10 days from preseason.
“If we thought there was a reasonable chance to begin this fall and finish the fall, almost everybody would say, all right, let’s go, let’s do this. This push for the spring is a feeling that we’re going to get started in the fall and not get anywhere close to being able to finish it.”
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Post by n00b on Jul 29, 2020 10:19:13 GMT -5
If there are no fall sports there are no fall sports. Winter sports won't be starting in November, they'd be starting in Jan-Feb, at the earliest, which means March - May is still in the full season. The NCAA and member schools actually MAKE money on college basketball. They are going to get as "full" of a basketball season as they can. You are absolutely kidding yourself if you don't think there won't be significant overlap for all fall/winter/spring sports should the decision be made to essentially do all intercollegiate sports in 2021. Good points, you're probably correct. Maybe it's not as big a deal for Big Ten, PAC-12, etc. schools. “I think everybody has gotten to the point where they’d like to see us move to the spring,” Sheffield said on the Point Wisconsin podcast. “Let’s stop trying to move this back. We don’t even have a conference schedule right now, and we’re 10 days from preseason.
“If we thought there was a reasonable chance to begin this fall and finish the fall, almost everybody would say, all right, let’s go, let’s do this. This push for the spring is a feeling that we’re going to get started in the fall and not get anywhere close to being able to finish it.”
To compare, Sheffield only has to share his facility with one other team (wrestling, a winter sport). And Wisconsin has 23 total teams. He would have fewer issues than almost everybody else in the Big Ten. Penn State shares Rec Hall with 4 other teams. And even though they have a lot of quality facilities, Ohio State has a whopping 37 sports. I’m really not sure if running all 37 simultaneously is possible even at a school with their unbelievable resources.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 10:33:12 GMT -5
Good points, you're probably correct. Maybe it's not as big a deal for Big Ten, PAC-12, etc. schools. “I think everybody has gotten to the point where they’d like to see us move to the spring,” Sheffield said on the Point Wisconsin podcast. “Let’s stop trying to move this back. We don’t even have a conference schedule right now, and we’re 10 days from preseason.
“If we thought there was a reasonable chance to begin this fall and finish the fall, almost everybody would say, all right, let’s go, let’s do this. This push for the spring is a feeling that we’re going to get started in the fall and not get anywhere close to being able to finish it.”
To compare, Sheffield only has to share his facility with one other team (wrestling, a winter sport). And Wisconsin has 23 total teams. He would have fewer issues than almost everybody else in the Big Ten. Penn State shares Rec Hall with 4 other teams. And even though they have a lot of quality facilities, Ohio State has a whopping 37 sports. I’m really not sure if running all 37 simultaneously is possible even at a school with their unbelievable resources. I think you need to expand your mind on this. I have often said that where there is a will there is a way. All sense of normalcy died in March. Sure, Rec Hall may share with 4 other teams. But, there won't be any fans in the stands and probably not any students physically on campus. You will probably have the entire campus and all of its facilities empty and available to you. Does Penn State have student workout facilities? A place for the general student population to play basketball? For any of these sports you can have them practice anywhere. And, if there are no fans, you can have them play their games/matches/meets anywhere, unless they would be televised. I don't think there are a lack of facilities. I just think there are a lack of normal facilities.
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Post by rbball02 on Jul 29, 2020 11:03:01 GMT -5
To compare, Sheffield only has to share his facility with one other team (wrestling, a winter sport). And Wisconsin has 23 total teams. He would have fewer issues than almost everybody else in the Big Ten. Penn State shares Rec Hall with 4 other teams. And even though they have a lot of quality facilities, Ohio State has a whopping 37 sports. I’m really not sure if running all 37 simultaneously is possible even at a school with their unbelievable resources. I think you need to expand your mind on this. I have often said that where there is a will there is a way. All sense of normalcy died in March. Sure, Rec Hall may share with 4 other teams. But, there won't be any fans in the stands and probably not any students physically on campus. You will probably have the entire campus and all of its facilities empty and available to you. Does Penn State have student workout facilities? A place for the general student population to play basketball? For any of these sports you can have them practice anywhere. And, if there are no fans, you can have them play their games/matches/meets anywhere, unless they would be televised. I don't think there are a lack of facilities. I just think there are a lack of normal facilities. You may be surprised with how unhelpful Rec departments at some schools can be, some would rather have their facilities closed and unused than share them with Athletics.
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Post by n00b on Jul 29, 2020 11:07:18 GMT -5
I think you need to expand your mind on this. I have often said that where there is a will there is a way. All sense of normalcy died in March. Sure, Rec Hall may share with 4 other teams. But, there won't be any fans in the stands and probably not any students physically on campus. You will probably have the entire campus and all of its facilities empty and available to you. Does Penn State have student workout facilities? A place for the general student population to play basketball? For any of these sports you can have them practice anywhere. And, if there are no fans, you can have them play their games/matches/meets anywhere, unless they would be televised. I don't think there are a lack of facilities. I just think there are a lack of normal facilities. You may be surprised with how unhelpful Rec departments at some schools can be, some would rather have their facilities closed and unused than share them with Athletics. As they should be. Those facilities are built and paid for by tuition-paying students. Varsity athletics should not be allowed to commandeer their spaces.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 11:23:04 GMT -5
That is all well and good. But, in a nation-crippling pandemic one would think people would be less territorial. I am fine maintaining a hard line between Rec and Athletics under normal circumstances. But, under abnormal circumstances, everything is fair game to me. From a bubble in the NBA to 2 bubbles in the NHL to the designated hitter in the National League...if you want sports, gonna have to give a little.
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Post by northwoods on Jul 29, 2020 11:44:24 GMT -5
You may be surprised with how unhelpful Rec departments at some schools can be, some would rather have their facilities closed and unused than share them with Athletics. As they should be. Those facilities are built and paid for by tuition-paying students. Varsity athletics should not be allowed to commandeer their spaces. In an environment where it is an uphill fight to let Athletic teams compete with all sorts of health monitoring and controls, no campus is going to allow the general population to engage in intramural or pick up games in their rec facilities. There isn’t a college anywhere that can’t figure out a spot to set up a floor and a net.
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Post by ay2013 on Jul 29, 2020 13:53:56 GMT -5
That is all well and good. But, in a nation-crippling pandemic one would think people would be less territorial. I am fine maintaining a hard line between Rec and Athletics under normal circumstances. But, under abnormal circumstances, everything is fair game to me. From a bubble in the NBA to 2 bubbles in the NHL to the designated hitter in the National League...if you want sports, gonna have to give a little. Well, in a nation-crippling pandemic, one would think that intercollegiate sports is not that important in the first place. In particular sports that don’t generate revenue.
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Post by Wolfgang on Jul 29, 2020 14:03:58 GMT -5
August 4th we should know more. Oh, crap, thanks for the reminder. I have a bunch of library materials due then.
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