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Post by ay2013 on Apr 4, 2021 14:12:51 GMT -5
They should just give a bid to Hawaii and see if they show up.
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Post by lionsfan on Apr 4, 2021 14:16:15 GMT -5
What if Penn State not only gets in, but gets a #16 seed?
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Post by trojansc on Apr 4, 2021 14:16:19 GMT -5
I think they're gonna rely on historical conference bids. So Marquette, Mizzou at the top of the list. Ugh if Marquette gets in. They have 1 win against a team that shouldn’t be an at large either (Creighton) and losses to Illinois State and Butler.... like, seriously, pass! The crazy part is.. he might be right. I had serious reservations about both Marquette and Missouri, but, really think the committee just might put them both in. K State is the one for me that I will be pretty disappointed if they get in.
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Post by aardvark on Apr 4, 2021 14:17:48 GMT -5
The early season/late season weight thing is a much bigger issue this year because of some teams (such as ACC) having two seasons. GT's awful non-conference in 2019 was only like 2-3 months before the tourney; FSU's bad fall was like 6 months ago and only consisted of four matches, none of which were truly awful. But I do think 2020-21 Georgia Tech has a significantly better shot to make it than 2019 GT did, and I'm picking them (narrowly) over Florida State. Well, one of those not "truly awful" losses was to Miami, by a worse margin than GT lost to them. I'm kind of bothered by trojan holding that up against GT as their bad loss. Miami finished just behind FSU in the ACC standings this year (9-7 conference record to FSU's 9-5). And their loss to Miami came a couple weeks later. GT's loss to them was GT's first match of the season. But I'm preaching to the choir here. You agree they should be in this time *IF* the NCAA maintains consistency in their prioritization of criteria. My problem is that I know they won't. They'll use the strange double season caused by COVID as an excuse to depart from the norm and do what they want. Note c4ndlelight's prediction based on historical conference bids.
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Post by eazy on Apr 4, 2021 14:29:57 GMT -5
The early season/late season weight thing is a much bigger issue this year because of some teams (such as ACC) having two seasons. GT's awful non-conference in 2019 was only like 2-3 months before the tourney; FSU's bad fall was like 6 months ago and only consisted of four matches, none of which were truly awful. But I do think 2020-21 Georgia Tech has a significantly better shot to make it than 2019 GT did, and I'm picking them (narrowly) over Florida State. Well, one of those not "truly awful" losses was to Miami, by a worse margin than GT lost to them. I'm kind of bothered by trojan holding that up against GT as their bad loss. Miami finished just behind FSU in the ACC standings this year (9-7 conference record to FSU's 9-5). And their loss to Miami came a couple weeks later. GT's loss to them was GT's first match of the season. But I'm preaching to the choir here. You agree they should be in this time *IF* the NCAA maintains consistency in their prioritization of criteria. My problem is that I know they won't. They'll use the strange double season caused by COVID as an excuse to depart from the norm and do what they want. Note c4ndlelight's prediction based on historical conference bids. Well consistency would mean that RPI is the biggest factor. Do you think that Colgate, Jacksonville St, Sacred Heart, Fairfield, Northern Colorado, Albany, Houston, St Johns, and Northern Arizona should all get in before Georgia Tech? You want them to depart from the norm, but only in the ways that help GT?
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Post by aardvark on Apr 4, 2021 14:42:16 GMT -5
Well consistency would mean that RPI is the biggest factor. Do you think that Colgate, Jacksonville St, Sacred Heart, Fairfield, Northern Colorado, Albany, Houston, St Johns, and Northern Arizona should all get in before Georgia Tech? You want them to depart from the norm, but only in the ways that help GT? I'm pretty sure that if they just use the RPI ranking, GT gets in (they are listed at #32 in the March 28th version). Using the RPI ranking alone would cause enormous mischief in seeding. But that would annoy others. Not me. So.... I call your bluff with "bring it on".
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Post by eazy on Apr 4, 2021 14:49:38 GMT -5
Well consistency would mean that RPI is the biggest factor. Do you think that Colgate, Jacksonville St, Sacred Heart, Fairfield, Northern Colorado, Albany, Houston, St Johns, and Northern Arizona should all get in before Georgia Tech? You want them to depart from the norm, but only in the ways that help GT? I'm pretty sure that if they just use the RPI ranking, GT gets in (they are listed at #32 in the March 28th version). Using the RPI ranking alone would cause enormous mischief in seeding. But that would annoy others. Not me. So.... I call your bluff with "bring it on". You'd sacrifice the entire credibility of the tournament just to see "your team" get in. Those are the most annoying types of fans.
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Post by jwvolley on Apr 4, 2021 14:52:14 GMT -5
Well consistency would mean that RPI is the biggest factor. Do you think that Colgate, Jacksonville St, Sacred Heart, Fairfield, Northern Colorado, Albany, Houston, St Johns, and Northern Arizona should all get in before Georgia Tech? You want them to depart from the norm, but only in the ways that help GT? I'm pretty sure that if they just use the RPI ranking, GT gets in (they are listed at #32 in the March 28th version). Using the RPI ranking alone would cause enormous mischief in seeding. But that would annoy others. Not me. So.... I call your bluff with "bring it on". Lol you are being absolutely ridiculous. RPI? This year? No, Ma'am
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Post by aardvark on Apr 4, 2021 15:22:17 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure that if they just use the RPI ranking, GT gets in (they are listed at #32 in the March 28th version). Using the RPI ranking alone would cause enormous mischief in seeding. But that would annoy others. Not me. So.... I call your bluff with "bring it on". Lol you are being absolutely ridiculous. RPI? This year? No, Ma'am I didn't bring this up. He did. But once he did, trying to use the current RPI against GT's case, I couldn't help but send it right back at him. The ACC gains tremendously if the RPI is only used. This year. That's because some conferences have no presence OOC. Take a long look at that current RPI ranking and you gotta laugh. If SEC and B1G fans whine that it's not fair, we could always say the rules were known ahead of time, and those conferences simply chose not to schedule well. I've heard that before, many times. But that's just a dream. The favored children will be given breaks when the official system works against them. That's why they're the favored children. GT, and the ACC in general, are not favored by the powers-that-be in this sport.
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Post by lionsfan on Apr 4, 2021 15:29:17 GMT -5
What if Penn State not only gets in, but gets a #16 seed? Oh, did I say 16? I meant 13
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Post by eazy on Apr 4, 2021 15:56:45 GMT -5
Lol you are being absolutely ridiculous. RPI? This year? No, Ma'am GT, and the ACC in general, are not favored by the powers-that-be in this sport. Please, tell us again how the committee conspires against GT. In case it didn't make it through your tin foil hat, they made it in this year.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2021 16:14:28 GMT -5
I am so confused how they put Minny over Texas. I guess they really didn’t like the Rice loss (by 2 points)
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Post by eazy on Apr 4, 2021 16:14:38 GMT -5
Looks like you "missed" on two seeded teams and 1 at large? Great job considering the task at hand!
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Post by aardvark on Apr 4, 2021 16:20:41 GMT -5
GT, and the ACC in general, are not favored by the powers-that-be in this sport. Please, tell us again how the committee conspires against GT. In case it didn't make it through your tin foil hat, they made it in this year. My foil hats are all made of aluminum, not tin. I'm pleased GT made it in. I'm even more pleased that their first round match is versus a team they beat 3-1 last year. This should help some with recruiting. To normally come close but miss out makes it that much harder to lure talent to your place instead of their place. Success begets success. Likewise, failure. I'm saying this from the perspective of all GT sports, BTW. So don't bother looking through prior GT sports in volleyball beyond last year.
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Post by trojansc on Apr 4, 2021 16:21:22 GMT -5
Looks like you "missed" on two seeded teams and 1 at large? Great job considering the task at hand! I don't think anyone can put up an argument for Penn State to get seeded. Baylor getting a seed, I can live with it. Georgia Tech getting in - again I thought was completely acceptable. Especially if it had to come down to them or FSU, easily justifiable. But the lack of mention for Florida State clearly says: We were not going to take a 5th ACC team, period. It completely ignored the UCF win for Florida State. No reason Arkansas/Tennessee/K State should have been higher on the totem pole than FSU. If they're going to use the H2H argument for GT over FSU.. i don't know why Tennessee is not in this tournament. Mizzou beat ZERO tournament teams as well. Neither did Arkansas.
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