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Post by haze on Jun 16, 2021 9:10:53 GMT -5
I'm not convinced kwj and Sara would be better than Claes and sponcil. Not only has Sara been passed by Sponcil, but I think Stockman could make an argument for being better than Hughes.i think Claes has been playing better than Kerri for quite some time now.
We likely very well have the 4 best players right now in the Olympics on the woman's side
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Post by Reach on Jun 16, 2021 9:17:54 GMT -5
She needs to retire.
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Post by Semp12 on Jun 16, 2021 9:48:21 GMT -5
Hughes wouldn't be sitting out if Summer didn't have a bad back. They would have been the second US team going to Tokyo next month. At the time, Kerri's injury risk was much higher. Again, hindsight is 20/20 & I realize Walsh was a gamble for Hughes with the injuries, but I just still to this day don't see how you risk it to play with one of the GOATs who has proven herself time & time again. It's irrelevant now, but I still think Hughes was a fool to give up the opportunity from a learning perspective alone. I agree with some of your points, but definitely not all of them. I do agree that IF Sara and Kerri had partnered, they probably would be in the Olympics. I would not say that they are the better team though or more deserving, but simply because they would have been on a much easier path and been in a better position to not have Claes/Sponcil make a historic run and pass them. With that being said, with where we are at at this current moment, I do believe we have the best two teams, and the best 4 players representing the US in the Olympics. This gives us the best chance to medal, and potentially double medal. Who are you arguing is in the top 4 and not representing the US, Kerri? I've come down off my branch of hating on Kerri as much, now that she is so close to the end of her career, but I still understand why Sara did not pick her at that time.
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Post by ShaneM2005 on Jun 16, 2021 13:37:24 GMT -5
Again, hindsight is 20/20 & I realize Walsh was a gamble for Hughes with the injuries, but I just still to this day don't see how you risk it to play with one of the GOATs who has proven herself time & time again. It's irrelevant now, but I still think Hughes was a fool to give up the opportunity from a learning perspective alone. I agree with some of your points, but definitely not all of them. I do agree that IF Sara and Kerri had partnered, they probably would be in the Olympics. I would not say that they are the better team though or more deserving, but simply because they would have been on a much easier path and been in a better position to not have Claes/Sponcil make a historic run and pass them. With that being said, with where we are at at this current moment, I do believe we have the best two teams, and the best 4 players representing the US in the Olympics. This gives us the best chance to medal, and potentially double medal. Who are you arguing is in the top 4 and not representing the US, Kerri? I've come down off my branch of hating on Kerri as much, now that she is so close to the end of her career, but I still understand why Sara did not pick her at that time. KWJ > Claes. I understand why Sara didn't pick up KWJ. I also think that it was a bad move on her part. The two best teams that attempted to qualify for the Olympics are going, no doubt. However, all I'm saying is that if Sara & KWJ had paired up early on, I don't think these last two wins would have put them over the top to overtake them. I'm not even a huge Hughes fan, but to say KWJ wouldn't had had better results with her vs. a battered up Brooke is just being ridiculous.
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Post by beachbomb on Jun 16, 2021 17:40:21 GMT -5
just like Michael Jordan should have retired... nahhhh not to be religious but if the big guy gave you the ability to do something well you go until you cant ... and she clearly still can . how about we let her retire when she wants to retire.
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Post by delnatha on Jun 16, 2021 20:52:33 GMT -5
“ KWJ > Claes”
If you’re measuring their careers, sure. If you’re measuring which one is better right now at this point in time…. I’ll take the one who just won back-to-back 4-star tournaments.
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Post by beachvolleyball23 on Jun 16, 2021 21:26:56 GMT -5
“ KWJ > Claes” If you’re measuring their careers, sure. If you’re measuring which one is better right now at this point in time…. I’ll take the one who just won back-to-back 4-star tournaments. Agree. I think if volleyball was still the same as it was in Kerri's prime she'd be better than Claes. But it isn't- more and more players are handsetting and making creative on two plays. I would say that Kelly is the better server, setter, and is better than going on two at the moment. Kerri has more experience and is undeniably the G(blocker)OAT, but Kelly is playing the modern game.
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Post by beachbomb on Jun 16, 2021 22:42:59 GMT -5
the only way you can compare Kelly and Kerri is if you literally had Kerri play with Sponcil and Kelly play with Brooke... it's not going to happen nor is it really fair to compare players... they both have strengths and weaker parts to their game but it's a team sport and no game or strategy going in is the same ...
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Post by ajm on Jun 16, 2021 22:52:47 GMT -5
the only way you can compare Kelly and Kerri is if you literally had Kerri play with Sponcil and Kelly play with Brooke... it's not going to happen nor is it really fair to compare players... they both have strengths and weaker parts to their game but it's a team sport and no game or strategy going in is the same ... I would pay a small sum of money to see a King of the Beach with those four players in the same pool!
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Post by dunninla3 on Jun 16, 2021 22:53:55 GMT -5
It is amazing to me how much Claes has improved in the past year. Just goes to show you that most of the game, any game really, is about focus and good decision making under pressure.
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Post by Semp12 on Jun 17, 2021 8:52:21 GMT -5
I agree with some of your points, but definitely not all of them. I do agree that IF Sara and Kerri had partnered, they probably would be in the Olympics. I would not say that they are the better team though or more deserving, but simply because they would have been on a much easier path and been in a better position to not have Claes/Sponcil make a historic run and pass them. With that being said, with where we are at at this current moment, I do believe we have the best two teams, and the best 4 players representing the US in the Olympics. This gives us the best chance to medal, and potentially double medal. Who are you arguing is in the top 4 and not representing the US, Kerri? I've come down off my branch of hating on Kerri as much, now that she is so close to the end of her career, but I still understand why Sara did not pick her at that time. KWJ > Claes. I understand why Sara didn't pick up KWJ. I also think that it was a bad move on her part. The two best teams that attempted to qualify for the Olympics are going, no doubt. However, all I'm saying is that if Sara & KWJ had paired up early on, I don't think these last two wins would have put them over the top to overtake them. I'm not even a huge Hughes fan, but to say KWJ wouldn't had had better results with her vs. a battered up Brooke is just being ridiculous. So Kerri is at a level she should be winning back to back FIVB tournaments, potentially the most important two, as we head into the '21 Olympics? She's just not, not at this point in her career. I don't think April at 100% could have even carried her to two straight FIVB wins right now. Claes has won as many FIVB tournaments in the last month as Kerri has in the last...5 years it looks like (had to go back to 2016 with April for her 2nd win unless you are trying to count a NORCECA). You are agreeing with what I said, without admitting that KWJ could only be in the Olympics right now only if she had a better partner with that significantly easier path to make it. We should be thankful the chips landed the way they did since the US really is in a position where the expectation may be we double medal this year with the hottest team(and two of the top 4 players IMHO) on tour sneaking in.
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Post by ShaneM2005 on Jun 17, 2021 9:59:13 GMT -5
KWJ > Claes. I understand why Sara didn't pick up KWJ. I also think that it was a bad move on her part. The two best teams that attempted to qualify for the Olympics are going, no doubt. However, all I'm saying is that if Sara & KWJ had paired up early on, I don't think these last two wins would have put them over the top to overtake them. I'm not even a huge Hughes fan, but to say KWJ wouldn't had had better results with her vs. a battered up Brooke is just being ridiculous. So Kerri is at a level she should be winning back to back FIVB tournaments, potentially the most important two, as we head into the '21 Olympics? She's just not, not at this point in her career. I don't think April at 100% could have even carried her to two straight FIVB wins right now. Claes has won as many FIVB tournaments in the last month as Kerri has in the last...5 years it looks like (had to go back to 2016 with April for her 2nd win unless you are trying to count a NORCECA). You are agreeing with what I said, without admitting that KWJ could only be in the Olympics right now only if she had a better partner with that significantly easier path to make it. We should be thankful the chips landed the way they did since the US really is in a position where the expectation may be we double medal this year with the hottest team(and two of the top 4 players IMHO) on tour sneaking in. I'm happy for Claes & Sponcil. I just believe that Kerri would have qualified had she had a better partner like Sponcil, Hughes, etc. The recent surge is awesome for USA's medal chances, but to think that Kerri wouldn't rise on Olympic sand is just crazy talk.
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Post by sonofdogman on Jun 17, 2021 23:12:13 GMT -5
So Kerri is at a level she should be winning back to back FIVB tournaments, potentially the most important two, as we head into the '21 Olympics? She's just not, not at this point in her career. I don't think April at 100% could have even carried her to two straight FIVB wins right now. Claes has won as many FIVB tournaments in the last month as Kerri has in the last...5 years it looks like (had to go back to 2016 with April for her 2nd win unless you are trying to count a NORCECA). You are agreeing with what I said, without admitting that KWJ could only be in the Olympics right now only if she had a better partner with that significantly easier path to make it. We should be thankful the chips landed the way they did since the US really is in a position where the expectation may be we double medal this year with the hottest team(and two of the top 4 players IMHO) on tour sneaking in. I'm happy for Claes & Sponcil. I just believe that Kerri would have qualified had she had a better partner like Sponcil, Hughes, etc. The recent surge is awesome for USA's medal chances, but to think that Kerri wouldn't rise on Olympic sand is just crazy talk. She isn't invincible on Olympic sand. Crazy talk is forgetting her abomination of a performance that day in Rio...
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Post by volleyballjim on Jun 18, 2021 1:32:23 GMT -5
I'm happy for Claes & Sponcil. I just believe that Kerri would have qualified had she had a better partner like Sponcil, Hughes, etc. The recent surge is awesome for USA's medal chances, but to think that Kerri wouldn't rise on Olympic sand is just crazy talk. She isn't invincible on Olympic sand. Crazy talk is forgetting her abomination of a performance that day in Rio... Kerri played her wearker side in Rio . . . Just say'n . . . Few, have the killer put away that Kerri at 6'3" has . . . you can talk all day about Pavan, Alix (LOL), but they pale in comparison, IMHO . . . They just didn't have the "put away" that Kerri had . . or HAS . . . HUGE Brooke fan, but, come on, 2021 . . .
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Post by ShaneM2005 on Jun 18, 2021 7:31:06 GMT -5
She isn't invincible on Olympic sand. Crazy talk is forgetting her abomination of a performance that day in Rio... Kerri played her wearker side in Rio . . . Just say'n . . . Few, have the killer put away that Kerri at 6'3" has . . . you can talk all day about Pavan, Alix (LOL), but they pale in comparison, IMHO . . . They just didn't have the "put away" that Kerri had . . or HAS . . . HUGE Brooke fan, but, come on, 2021 . . . THIS.
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