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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2021 19:35:29 GMT -5
Totally agree. We won't start seeing Olympic rosters until week 4 and on.
Regarding Reach+'s theory about this being the starting lineup sans Hancock, I'd like to point out that this was the exact same lineup we had versus the Netherlands, except Ogbogu played instead of Dixon.
I too found that intriguing. I honestly thought Germany would be the toughest opponent we face this week. Italy is young and has good players but Germany has the better record. ...I was incorrect. Germany literally got served off the court today and the USA looks insanely good by comparison. Drews hit the ball harder than I have seen her hit....I think ever. At this point, I don't think I care who starts, but when the team is finally facing a tougher opponent, I just want those who are struggling to be given a shorter leash so that the subs are allowed TIME to come in make a difference. I was soooo pissed at Karch during the 2019 World Cup vs. China when he waited until late in the second set to make sweeping substitutions. THEN, he didn't wait long enough in the third set, before making subs that, IMO, cost the USA the 3rd set and the match. Long story short, I love the depth the team has, so I hope we get to see it and that Karch and Co. choose wisely. Germany's middles are so young (20&23) and they just got out-matched. They didnt know what to do with Drews at all. Germany would be better with Janiska and Lippmann. They just had no one they could go to offensively. Alsmeier needs the fast system but Germany doesn't have the passers to do it with Orthmann on court. (and Pogany had a really rough day) Italy has some good players... I just don't think enough to give the US a good test |
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Post by CAI BIN MUST GO on Jun 6, 2021 19:45:16 GMT -5
I too found that intriguing. I honestly thought Germany would be the toughest opponent we face this week. Italy is young and has good players but Germany has the better record. ...I was incorrect. Germany literally got served off the court today and the USA looks insanely good by comparison. Drews hit the ball harder than I have seen her hit....I think ever. At this point, I don't think I care who starts, but when the team is finally facing a tougher opponent, I just want those who are struggling to be given a shorter leash so that the subs are allowed TIME to come in make a difference. I was soooo pissed at Karch during the 2019 World Cup vs. China when he waited until late in the second set to make sweeping substitutions. THEN, he didn't wait long enough in the third set, before making subs that, IMO, cost the USA the 3rd set and the match. Long story short, I love the depth the team has, so I hope we get to see it and that Karch and Co. choose wisely. Germany's middles are so young (20&23) and they just got out-matched. They didnt know what to do with Drews at all. Germany would be better with Janiska and Lippmann. They just had no one they could go to offensively. Alsmeier needs the fast system but Germany doesn't have the passers to do it with Orthmann on court. (and Pogany had a really rough day) Italy has some good players... I just don't think enough to give the US a good test How many are though, in this VNL? I can think of just five: Brazil, Japan, Turkey, Russia, China. If everyone's A-team played, then Italy and Serbia too. Maybe Korea in 2019 (before their injuries and twins issue)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2021 19:53:00 GMT -5
Side note.
I'm really happy that the World Championships are next year. This edition is going to be TOUGH IMO. So many mid tier teams are improving and with two European teams co-hosting the event, plus the complete scramble of the 2nd leg due to the format, is going to be the flagship event of the quad IMO. The level of play at the World Championships is always slightly higher than the Olympics to my eyes.
I'm just glad we get back to back "Major" international seasons. I feel like we deserve this after the sh*t show that was the past year and a half/two years thanks to COVID.
I also wish more folks on here would stick around AFTER the olympics. I like seeing more unfamiliar voices being heard in these international VB threads.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2021 19:53:05 GMT -5
Germany's middles are so young (20&23) and they just got out-matched. They didnt know what to do with Drews at all. Germany would be better with Janiska and Lippmann. They just had no one they could go to offensively. Alsmeier needs the fast system but Germany doesn't have the passers to do it with Orthmann on court. (and Pogany had a really rough day) Italy has some good players... I just don't think enough to give the US a good test How many are though, in this VNL? I can think of just five: Brazil, Japan, Turkey, Russia, China. If everyone's A-team played, then Italy and Serbia too. Maybe Korea in 2019 (before their injuries and twins issue)
I honestly had higher expectations for the Italian team. There's several very good Italian league players there. |
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Post by basil on Jun 6, 2021 19:58:24 GMT -5
How many are though, in this VNL? I can think of just five: Brazil, Japan, Turkey, Russia, China. If everyone's A-team played, then Italy and Serbia too. Maybe Korea in 2019 (before their injuries and twins issue)
I honestly had higher expectations for the Italian team. There's several very good Italian league players there. They're too young at OH imo. All the good ones are with Mazzanti. Other than that, Mingardi/Nwakalor are very good, and Lubian/Bonifacio is a very solid middle duo too. I feel like their libero is good, and Bosio is a good setter. Their OHs aren't good enough and the group's international inexperience as a whole shows in the tight moments. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2021 20:00:47 GMT -5
I too found that intriguing. I honestly thought Germany would be the toughest opponent we face this week. Italy is young and has good players but Germany has the better record. ...I was incorrect. Germany literally got served off the court today and the USA looks insanely good by comparison. Drews hit the ball harder than I have seen her hit....I think ever. At this point, I don't think I care who starts, but when the team is finally facing a tougher opponent, I just want those who are struggling to be given a shorter leash so that the subs are allowed TIME to come in make a difference. I was soooo pissed at Karch during the 2019 World Cup vs. China when he waited until late in the second set to make sweeping substitutions. THEN, he didn't wait long enough in the third set, before making subs that, IMO, cost the USA the 3rd set and the match. Long story short, I love the depth the team has, so I hope we get to see it and that Karch and Co. choose wisely. Germany's middles are so young (20&23) and they just got out-matched. They didnt know what to do with Drews at all. Germany would be better with Janiska and Lippmann. They just had no one they could go to offensively. Alsmeier needs the fast system but Germany doesn't have the passers to do it with Orthmann on court. (and Pogany had a really rough day) Italy has some good players... I just don't think enough to give the US a good test I hope KYK is playing for KOR tomorrow and Nwakalor in for ITA on Tuesday. I want to see IF the USA can shut down a go-to terminator. |
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Post by trojansc on Jun 6, 2021 20:00:53 GMT -5
Side note. I'm really happy that the World Championships are next year. This edition is going to be TOUGH IMO. So many mid tier teams are improving and with two European teams co-hosting the event, plus the complete scramble of the 2nd leg due to the format, is going to be the flagship event of the quad IMO. The level of play at the World Championships is always slightly higher than the Olympics to my eyes. I'm just glad we get back to back "Major" international seasons. I feel like we deserve this after the sh*t show that was the past year and a half/two years thanks to COVID. I also wish more folks on here would stick around AFTER the olympics. I like seeing more unfamiliar voices being heard in these international VB threads. I don't think I like the new format of the 2nd round, it's the same as what the men do, right? I don't like the "2 of the 4 2nd-place teams". I guess the lucky loser, or whatever you call it. I liked the other system better. For example, the results against the 5th and 6th-place team in your original pool (who doesn't even make the 2nd round) still goes into your record. It could easily be a set against those teams that makes the difference, which doesn't make sense to me, especially with imbalanced pools and who knows the strength compared to ranking. In 2018, the 5th place team in one pool was South Korea. The other 5th place teams were Canada, Argentina, and Kenya....... |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2021 20:02:02 GMT -5
Germany's middles are so young (20&23) and they just got out-matched. They didnt know what to do with Drews at all. Germany would be better with Janiska and Lippmann. They just had no one they could go to offensively. Alsmeier needs the fast system but Germany doesn't have the passers to do it with Orthmann on court. (and Pogany had a really rough day) Italy has some good players... I just don't think enough to give the US a good test I hope KYK is playing for KOR tomorrow and Nwakalor in for ITA on Tuesday. I want to see IF the USA can shut down a go-to terminator. I haven't paid much attention to Korea, has KYK played a lot? I would assume no, resting her for the Olympics. |
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Post by CAI BIN MUST GO on Jun 6, 2021 20:02:34 GMT -5
Side note. I'm really happy that the World Championships are next year. This edition is going to be TOUGH IMO. So many mid tier teams are improving and with two European teams co-hosting the event, plus the complete scramble of the 2nd leg due to the format, is going to be the flagship event of the quad IMO. The level of play at the World Championships is always slightly higher than the Olympics to my eyes. I'm just glad we get back to back "Major" international seasons. I feel like we deserve this after the sh*t show that was the past year and a half/two years thanks to COVID. I also wish more folks on here would stick around AFTER the olympics. I like seeing more unfamiliar voices being heard in these international VB threads. speaking of 2022 did you notice that apparently the format would follow the men's?
according to the wikipedia article it seems that after group stage, there's 4 groups of 4 teams (re-drawn randomly) and the final 6 will be decided by pool winners + top 2 2nd placed teams.
I have to say I preferred the older formats...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2021 20:08:17 GMT -5
Side note. I'm really happy that the World Championships are next year. This edition is going to be TOUGH IMO. So many mid tier teams are improving and with two European teams co-hosting the event, plus the complete scramble of the 2nd leg due to the format, is going to be the flagship event of the quad IMO. The level of play at the World Championships is always slightly higher than the Olympics to my eyes. I'm just glad we get back to back "Major" international seasons. I feel like we deserve this after the sh*t show that was the past year and a half/two years thanks to COVID. I also wish more folks on here would stick around AFTER the olympics. I like seeing more unfamiliar voices being heard in these international VB threads. I don't think I like the new format of the 2nd round, it's the same as what the men do, right? I don't like the "2 of the 4 2nd-place teams". I guess the lucky loser, or whatever you call it. I liked the other system better. For example, the results against the 5th and 6th-place team in your original pool (who doesn't even make the 2nd round) still goes into your record. It could easily be a set against those teams that makes the difference, which doesn't make sense to me, especially with imbalanced pools and who knows the strength compared to ranking. In 2018, the 5th place team in one pool was South Korea. The other 5th place teams were Canada, Argentina, and Kenya....... add in the rankings.... seedings are going to get a bit funky. |
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Post by CAI BIN MUST GO on Jun 6, 2021 20:08:21 GMT -5
Side note. I'm really happy that the World Championships are next year. This edition is going to be TOUGH IMO. So many mid tier teams are improving and with two European teams co-hosting the event, plus the complete scramble of the 2nd leg due to the format, is going to be the flagship event of the quad IMO. The level of play at the World Championships is always slightly higher than the Olympics to my eyes. I'm just glad we get back to back "Major" international seasons. I feel like we deserve this after the sh*t show that was the past year and a half/two years thanks to COVID. I also wish more folks on here would stick around AFTER the olympics. I like seeing more unfamiliar voices being heard in these international VB threads. I don't think I like the new format of the 2nd round, it's the same as what the men do, right? I don't like the "2 of the 4 2nd-place teams". I guess the lucky loser, or whatever you call it. I liked the other system better. For example, the results against the 5th and 6th-place team in your original pool (who doesn't even make the 2nd round) still goes into your record. It could easily be a set against those teams that makes the difference, which doesn't make sense to me, especially with imbalanced pools and who knows the strength compared to ranking. In 2018, the 5th place team in one pool was South Korea. The other 5th place teams were Canada, Argentina, and Kenya....... not to mention that the rankings could still be inaccurate thanks to certain teams sending a B/C squad to the VNL.
It looks like we will have | Netherlands | Poland | #1 team
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since it's seeded by serpentine. In this case there are NO benefits to being ranked in the top 4.
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Post by CAI BIN MUST GO on Jun 6, 2021 20:09:44 GMT -5
@avid when the #2 is gonna go with the #3 in the rankings you know it's gonna be messed up! or even #1 with #4.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2021 20:10:39 GMT -5
I honestly had higher expectations for the Italian team. There's several very good Italian league players there. They're too young at OH imo. All the good ones are with Mazzanti. Other than that, Mingardi/Nwakalor are very good, and Lubian/Bonifacio is a very solid middle duo too. I feel like their libero is good, and Bosio is a good setter. Their OHs aren't good enough and the group's international inexperience as a whole shows in the tight moments. This is so well said. This is EXACTLY where my head was at with Italy. I too expected a bit better roster management by Mazzanti here. I assume he decided who Bregoli could select for this tournament? I guess Mazzanti really does know who he wants to take on the OH if he has Sylla, C. Bosetti, Gennari, L. Bosetti and Pietrini all off this roster. I mean, I feel like they especially need to solidify who is doing at that position. Why not take a few to these first few weeks and see who rises to the top? Looks like Sorokaite is still in the mix too but perhaps at OPP? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2021 20:10:44 GMT -5
I don't think I like the new format of the 2nd round, it's the same as what the men do, right? I don't like the "2 of the 4 2nd-place teams". I guess the lucky loser, or whatever you call it. I liked the other system better. For example, the results against the 5th and 6th-place team in your original pool (who doesn't even make the 2nd round) still goes into your record. It could easily be a set against those teams that makes the difference, which doesn't make sense to me, especially with imbalanced pools and who knows the strength compared to ranking. In 2018, the 5th place team in one pool was South Korea. The other 5th place teams were Canada, Argentina, and Kenya....... not to mention that the rankings could still be inaccurate thanks to certain teams sending a B/C squad to the VNL.
It looks like we will have | Netherlands | Poland | #1 team
| #2 team
| #6 team
| #5 team
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| #7 team
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since it's seeded by serpentine. In this case there are NO benefits to being ranked in the top 4.
in the men's in 2018, the second host got bumped to where you have the #2 team. #1 got matched with #6, #2 was with #4 (but I think Italy, which hosted, was a top 5 team so that put it off) |
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Post by trojansc on Jun 6, 2021 20:16:32 GMT -5
not to mention that the rankings could still be inaccurate thanks to certain teams sending a B/C squad to the VNL.
It looks like we will have | Netherlands | Poland | #1 team
| #2 team
| #6 team
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since it's seeded by serpentine. In this case there are NO benefits to being ranked in the top 4.
Are you sure it will be seeded that way? In 2018, they only seeded the top 8 teams. The rest were grouped into 4-team 'pots' and they did a drawing. So, that means theoretically if they do it the same way, the #2, #3, and #7 team could all be in the same pool. While Netherlands or Poland could get the #10 team in their pool as well. Japan also got a very fortunate draw. Their 'drawing' included Germany, Argentina, Cameroon, and Mexico. Everyone knew watching the drawing live that they were just going to for sure get Argentina in their drawing *rolls eyes*. Meanwhile, Korea, Azerbaijan, and Thailand all got drawn into another pool. Korea didn't make it out of that pool. Friggin FIVB. |
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