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Post by CAI BIN MUST GO on Jun 6, 2021 20:18:43 GMT -5
not to mention that the rankings could still be inaccurate thanks to certain teams sending a B/C squad to the VNL.
It looks like we will have | Netherlands | Poland | #1 team
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since it's seeded by serpentine. In this case there are NO benefits to being ranked in the top 4.
in the men's in 2018, the second host got bumped to where you have the #2 team. #1 got matched with #6, #2 was with #4 (but I think Italy, which hosted, was a top 5 team so that put it off) ah ok, they have the right to be seeded at pools A and D. Fair enough... (but still not a fan of this format lol)
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Post by speegs13 on Jun 6, 2021 20:21:07 GMT -5
Is there confirmation on what the format is for the tournament (besides what's on the Wikipedia page with no source)?
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Post by CAI BIN MUST GO on Jun 6, 2021 20:24:15 GMT -5
not to mention that the rankings could still be inaccurate thanks to certain teams sending a B/C squad to the VNL.
It looks like we will have | Netherlands | Poland | #1 team
| #2 team
| #6 team
| #5 team
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since it's seeded by serpentine. In this case there are NO benefits to being ranked in the top 4.
Are you sure it will be seeded that way? right... I messed up.
It should be | Netherlands | #1 Team
| #2 Team
| Poland | #6 Team
| #5 Team
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I can understand why JLP is losing matches to get China to the #3 ranked team now. (JK, but... a grain of truth)
Yep, Japan always gets a fortunate draw/events that happen to them. e.g. Olympic qualifications in 2012/16 as well. China (ironically) too for the VNL but we've all seen how much they care about that competition.
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Post by trojansc on Jun 6, 2021 20:25:02 GMT -5
A - B - C - D
NED - USA - BRA - POL
RUS - JPN - TUR - CHN
SRB - DOM - ITA - BEL
Based on current world rankings, and putting the hosts at Pool A and D, that's what it would look like. Obviously that will change, but I imagine the VNL will have some quite wild implications on the World Championship pools as well.
The BEL/ITA/DOM/SRB grouping could also end up being 'drawn'. and in different pools depending on the draw.
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Post by CAI BIN MUST GO on Jun 6, 2021 20:29:14 GMT -5
A - B - C - D NED - USA - BRA - POL RUS - JPN - TUR - CHN SRB - DOM - ITA - BEL Based on current world rankings, and putting the hosts at Pool A and D, that's what it would look like. Obviously that will change, but I imagine the VNL will have some quite wild implications on the World Championship pools as well. The BEL/ITA/DOM/SRB grouping could also end up being 'drawn'. and in different pools depending on the draw. If this is the world rankings, then it's a good draw for USA and CHN. OK for SRB.
Absolutely brutal for BRA, TUR, and ITA.
But I think only top 6 + hosts are seeded.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2021 20:30:19 GMT -5
Side note. I'm really happy that the World Championships are next year. This edition is going to be TOUGH IMO. So many mid tier teams are improving and with two European teams co-hosting the event, plus the complete scramble of the 2nd leg due to the format, is going to be the flagship event of the quad IMO. The level of play at the World Championships is always slightly higher than the Olympics to my eyes. I'm just glad we get back to back "Major" international seasons. I feel like we deserve this after the sh*t show that was the past year and a half/two years thanks to COVID. I also wish more folks on here would stick around AFTER the olympics. I like seeing more unfamiliar voices being heard in these international VB threads. I don't think I like the new format of the 2nd round, it's the same as what the men do, right? I don't like the "2 of the 4 2nd-place teams". I guess the lucky loser, or whatever you call it. I liked the other system better. For example, the results against the 5th and 6th-place team in your original pool (who doesn't even make the 2nd round) still goes into your record. It could easily be a set against those teams that makes the difference, which doesn't make sense to me, especially with imbalanced pools and who knows the strength compared to ranking. In 2018, the 5th place team in one pool was South Korea. The other 5th place teams were Canada, Argentina, and Kenya....... I guess I like it because it might give both hosts a better shot at the finals more than the other format did. Also, I like that it is harder for a team to know how difficult their second round pool is. And, it eliminates one match from the schedule. You only play three matches in the second round and not four, due to pools NOT merging. Round 1: 5 matches in 6 days. Break--- Round 2: 3 matches in 4 days. Break--- Round 3: 2 matches in 3 days. Semifinals and Finals in 2 days. If I were a player, I would like this new format. I will agree that the top two second best teams advance is tough, especially when they eliminate the teams stats vs opponents who did not advance. If that is indeed what they are doing. I haven't seen the formula in a hot minute. I guess I liked the 2018 Men's tournament because I would have bet the house that France was going to make the finals and because they messed around and went 3-2 in pool B they got tossed into a pool with Serbia, Poland and Argentina and ended up losing out to Serbia for the finals berth. I am HERE for that drama over on the women's side. I think we have 10 solid teams at the top of the women's teams now. USA, CHINA, BRAZIL, ITALY, SERBIA, TURKEY, RUSSIA, JAPAN, THE NETHERLANDS and THE DOMINICAN REPUBLIC. Too bad the B1G is already taken 😉😏😱. We should come up with a cool name for the world's top ten teams. 🤯😊 |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2021 20:32:50 GMT -5
I don't think I like the new format of the 2nd round, it's the same as what the men do, right? I don't like the "2 of the 4 2nd-place teams". I guess the lucky loser, or whatever you call it. I liked the other system better. For example, the results against the 5th and 6th-place team in your original pool (who doesn't even make the 2nd round) still goes into your record. It could easily be a set against those teams that makes the difference, which doesn't make sense to me, especially with imbalanced pools and who knows the strength compared to ranking. In 2018, the 5th place team in one pool was South Korea. The other 5th place teams were Canada, Argentina, and Kenya....... I guess I like it because it might give both hosts a better shot at the finals more than the other format did. do the hosts really need another boost/factor in their favor? (the answer is no lol) |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2021 20:33:55 GMT -5
Side note. I'm really happy that the World Championships are next year. This edition is going to be TOUGH IMO. So many mid tier teams are improving and with two European teams co-hosting the event, plus the complete scramble of the 2nd leg due to the format, is going to be the flagship event of the quad IMO. The level of play at the World Championships is always slightly higher than the Olympics to my eyes. I'm just glad we get back to back "Major" international seasons. I feel like we deserve this after the sh*t show that was the past year and a half/two years thanks to COVID. I also wish more folks on here would stick around AFTER the olympics. I like seeing more unfamiliar voices being heard in these international VB threads. speaking of 2022 did you notice that apparently the format would follow the men's?
according to the wikipedia article it seems that after group stage, there's 4 groups of 4 teams (re-drawn randomly) and the final 6 will be decided by pool winners + top 2 2nd placed teams.
I have to say I preferred the older formats...
I think there are pros and cons to both honestly. But this one is one match shorter. It could be two matches shorter if they made the finals the final 8 instead of 6 and just did an Olympic style elimination bracket. That would shorten it by another match. 3 in the finals (if you go all the way) or they could do placement matches so that all teams who make the finals can play it all the way out. That would be up to the teams I guess, whether or not they would like to participate further once being eliminated from the tournament. I would lean towards only teams that are still in the race for the medals keep playing, but still have the bronze medal match. Ya know, the consolation prize. |
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Post by CAI BIN MUST GO on Jun 6, 2021 20:34:04 GMT -5
I will agree that the top two second best teams advance is tough, especially when they eliminate the teams stats vs opponents who did not advance. If that is indeed what they are doing. I haven't seen the formula in a hot minute. I'm not opposed to the idea, but at least make them do a playoff or something! Or just have 8 teams and do QF- SF- F. |
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Post by CAI BIN MUST GO on Jun 6, 2021 20:37:09 GMT -5
I guess I like it because it might give both hosts a better shot at the finals more than the other format did. do the hosts really need another boost/factor in their favor? (the answer is no lol) Depends on the economic situation... Hosting isn't free 😂 |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2021 20:38:40 GMT -5
I don't think I like the new format of the 2nd round, it's the same as what the men do, right? I don't like the "2 of the 4 2nd-place teams". I guess the lucky loser, or whatever you call it. I liked the other system better. For example, the results against the 5th and 6th-place team in your original pool (who doesn't even make the 2nd round) still goes into your record. It could easily be a set against those teams that makes the difference, which doesn't make sense to me, especially with imbalanced pools and who knows the strength compared to ranking. In 2018, the 5th place team in one pool was South Korea. The other 5th place teams were Canada, Argentina, and Kenya....... not to mention that the rankings could still be inaccurate thanks to certain teams sending a B/C squad to the VNL.
It looks like we will have | Netherlands | Poland | #1 team
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since it's seeded by serpentine. In this case there are NO benefits to being ranked in the top 4.
They would actually look like this I think with the serpentine system. Poland will be in Pool D and the Netherlands in Pool A if they follow the same plan and have the Netherlands be the hosts for the finals. Like Italy was on them Men's side in 2018. I used the world rankings from today in the example. Lol... the USA really lucked out there huh?! China too. | Netherlands (Host 1) | USA | Brazil | Poland (Host 2) | | Russia | Japan | Turkey | China | | Serbia | Dominicana | Italy | Belgium |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2021 20:40:42 GMT -5
A - B - C - D NED - USA - BRA - POL RUS - JPN - TUR - CHN SRB - DOM - ITA - BEL Based on current world rankings, and putting the hosts at Pool A and D, that's what it would look like. Obviously that will change, but I imagine the VNL will have some quite wild implications on the World Championship pools as well. The BEL/ITA/DOM/SRB grouping could also end up being 'drawn'. and in different pools depending on the draw. Yep. Exactly. I would want Serbia to be drawn into the USA's pool. That would be SCHWEET for the first round showdown. This could become a reality if SRB keeps ignoring the VNL. Just sayin' 😒😒😒 |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2021 20:44:26 GMT -5
I will agree that the top two second best teams advance is tough, especially when they eliminate the teams stats vs opponents who did not advance. If that is indeed what they are doing. I haven't seen the formula in a hot minute. I'm not opposed to the idea, but at least make them do a playoff or something! Or just have 8 teams and do QF- SF- F. This would be slutty.....NGL. Woof. That was inappropro....my bad friends. lol. I just really dig the idea of a mini Olympics during the World Championships. That would be cool. That is why the CEV Euros are so damn fun. FIVB needs to get with the program. |
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Post by trojansc on Jun 6, 2021 20:44:45 GMT -5
All I know is we're probably irritating a bunch of USA fans who just want to hear about the Olympics and their favorite USA players while we talk about World Championship implications  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2021 20:46:34 GMT -5
All I know is we're probably irritating a bunch of USA fans who just want to hear about the Olympics and their favorite USA players while we talk about World Championship implications It's all on me. I started it 🤷🏻♂️ |
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