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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2021 20:43:01 GMT -5
Yea, I think the biggest thing about Plummer is she has almost 0 senior team experience and Thompson has proven herself. I would be really surprised if she's not on the 22 WCH roster Well, Bonitta took a 17-year-old Egonu to her first Olympics Rio 2016 without any WCh or WC experience. That went well  |
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Post by CAI BIN MUST GO on Jun 13, 2021 20:43:46 GMT -5
Well, Bonitta took a 17-year-old Egonu to her first Olympics Rio 2016 without any WCh or WC experience. That went well It went about as well as Italy always does. |
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Post by chatchu-off moksri on Jun 13, 2021 20:50:39 GMT -5
It is, because the line is “she can’t set the middles.” And she’s been doing it at a high level for the vast majority of her career. And it’s disingenuous to share the stats you did without context, as if they actually explain anything. All THY had was Carlini and Karakurt. Washington and Chirichella are two of the best middles in the world. Of course Hancock should be setting the two of them more and of course they should be efficient. Even if we accept the notion that Carlini struggles connecting with her middle attackers, the results of her teams speak for themselves and are, in some ways, more impressive if this is actually a weakness in her game. She’s led two different teams in the top two pro leagues in the world to Champions League berths, overachieving significantly with each. She won CL in her second season as a pro, only the second American setter to do so. She truly can’t be as lucky as you want us all to believe. If you go back and read, I didn't say Carlini can't set the middles. I said Carlini can't set them as well as the other two can. Carlini had both Chirichella + Veljkovic in her year with Novara. Neither were as successful as Washington and Chirichella were with Hancock. (1.36 kps, .370 and 1.5 kps, .490) with a team that included MBH and Egonu. (passing 40% and 31% efficiency) That's the exact point. Carlini rides the success of her pins (Ebrar, Egonu, Haak). Team USA doesn't have that option. That's why Poulter and Hancock were selected. Well to be fair, those pins are really, really good. I mean I would set Egonu and Haak until their arms fall off if I was their setter lol. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2021 20:55:28 GMT -5
If you go back and read, I didn't say Carlini can't set the middles. I said Carlini can't set them as well as the other two can. Carlini had both Chirichella + Veljkovic in her year with Novara. Neither were as successful as Washington and Chirichella were with Hancock. (1.36 kps, .370 and 1.5 kps, .490) with a team that included MBH and Egonu. (passing 40% and 31% efficiency) That's the exact point. Carlini rides the success of her pins (Ebrar, Egonu, Haak). Team USA doesn't have that option. That's why Poulter and Hancock were selected. Well to be fair, those pins are really, really good. I mean I would set Egonu and Haak until their arms fall off if I was their setter lol. I'm not saying its wrong or anything. But with Team USA, they don't have those pins. Commenting Carlini is "just a winner" without acknowledging the talent she has on the pin is just wrong. Both Poulter and Hancock have had success with pins that are similar to USA's. Both setters connect better with the middles. Poulter's sets to the left are better and Hancock brings her serve. |
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Post by bruinsgold on Jun 13, 2021 21:05:58 GMT -5
don't want to butt in, but team USA didn't choose to develop such an option. Maybe JT...
I (and most other Chinese fans who are following team USA) were pretty surprised Plummer wasn't played more in the VNL and considered more seriously for selection.
I've been on the SWP train for awhile. A setter like Carlini would make more sense with her on the roster. Except she's not. Nor is any other option that'll really work like that. Drews could be, but she's not consistent enough.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2021 21:09:32 GMT -5
I've been on the SWP train for awhile. A setter like Carlini would make more sense with her on the roster. Except she's not. Nor is any other option that'll really work like that. Drews could be, but she's not consistent enough. I like annie. But Im not wrong |
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Post by bruinsgold on Jun 13, 2021 21:24:38 GMT -5
I like annie. But Im not wrong You're not! I've just been dying for an excuse to use that GIF 😂 |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2021 21:35:51 GMT -5
I like annie. But Im not wrong You're not! I've just been dying for an excuse to use that GIF 😂 I remember that match and the play that caused that reaction. lol |
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Post by CAI BIN MUST GO on Jun 13, 2021 21:55:12 GMT -5
You're not! I've just been dying for an excuse to use that GIF 😂 I remember that match and the play that caused that reaction. lol which was it? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2021 22:31:58 GMT -5
Well to be fair, those pins are really, really good. I mean I would set Egonu and Haak until their arms fall off if I was their setter lol. I'm not saying its wrong or anything. But with Team USA, they don't have those pins. Commenting Carlini is "just a winner" without acknowledging the talent she has on the pin is just wrong. Both Poulter and Hancock have had success with pins that are similar to USA's. Carlini’s set the team to wins in the finals of a tournament with these same USA pin hitters. She’s had actual tangible success. But Poulter and Hancock get to go to Tokyo because the pins they play with professionally are SIMILAR?? This is terrible logic. Carlini set MBH for Novara, for f*cks sake. Also, yes Carlini has had a world-class pin hitter on her pro teams each season, but that itself does not equate to success. Egonu is not undefeated. Haak does not look all-world with every setter she plays with. This argument intentionally diminishes what Carlini does to help those athletes and the team be successful. The setter’s job is to win, and neither Hancock nor Poulter are better at that. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2021 22:37:09 GMT -5
I remember that match and the play that caused that reaction. lol which was it? Murphy let a free ball pass hit the ground just before the double sub during the VNL prelims in 2018. I believe they were facing Thailand. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2021 22:41:21 GMT -5
I'm not saying its wrong or anything. But with Team USA, they don't have those pins. Commenting Carlini is "just a winner" without acknowledging the talent she has on the pin is just wrong. Both Poulter and Hancock have had success with pins that are similar to USA's. Carlini’s set the team to wins in the finals of a tournament with these same USA pin hitters. She’s had actual tangible success. But Poulter and Hancock get to go to Tokyo because the pins they play with professionally are SIMILAR?? This is terrible logic. Carlini set MBH for Novara, for f*cks sake. Also, yes Carlini has had a world-class pin hitter on her pro teams each season, but that itself does not equate to success. Egonu is not undefeated. Haak does not look all-world with every setter she plays with. This argument intentionally diminishes what Carlini does to help those athletes and the team be successful. The setter’s job is to win, and neither Hancock nor Poulter are better at that. you’re acting like Carlini is leaps and bounds better than either other option and that’s it’s completely indefensible that she was left off. The skill difference between the 3 is not that great and it was decided that Hancock and Poulter run the USA system better. Karch, his staff, and a majority of posters here (not that that means terribly much but worth noting) think this was the better choice. |
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Post by CAI BIN MUST GO on Jun 13, 2021 22:49:17 GMT -5
Murphy let a free ball pass hit the ground just before the double sub during the VNL prelims in 2018. I believe they were facing Thailand. ahh don't y'all miss her |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2021 23:23:58 GMT -5
Murphy let a free ball pass hit the ground just before the double sub during the VNL prelims in 2018. I believe they were facing Thailand. ahh don't y'all miss her I miss 2014 Murphy. She was never the same after her injury. She lost a ton of physicality in her offense. She should have been toast after Rio, but alas, we all knew that. |
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