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Post by mikegarrison on Jun 27, 2021 18:30:24 GMT -5
How do you have Jim Crow laws w/o the Government making those laws? Dude, really? You put up a sign that says "No Blacks served here". Or maybe you don't put up a sign, but if a black person comes in, somebody walks up and says "we don't serve your kind here". Or you just see to it that there have never been any black people in your country club, and there never will be. Or when that black family moves into the neighborhood, "things" start happening -- their dog is found dead, someone pours Roundup all over their lawn, their car keeps getting keyed in the night, threatening notes appear in their mailbox, people in hoods show up and burn a cross on their front yard, whatever. It sure doesn't require government to have that happen. But if those same white people also control the government, then they can make sure the laws either support them or at least look the other way.
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Post by bluepenquin on Jun 27, 2021 21:01:16 GMT -5
How do you have Jim Crow laws w/o the Government making those laws? Dude, really? You put up a sign that says "No Blacks served here". Or maybe you don't put up a sign, but if a black person comes in, somebody walks up and says "we don't serve your kind here". Or you just see to it that there have never been any black people in your country club, and there never will be. Or when that black family moves into the neighborhood, "things" start happening -- their dog is found dead, someone pours Roundup all over their lawn, their car keeps getting keyed in the night, threatening notes appear in their mailbox, people in hoods show up and burn a cross on their front yard, whatever. It sure doesn't require government to have that happen. But if those same white people also control the government, then they can make sure the laws either support them or at least look the other way. Where do you find any Jim Crow laws that aren't done by the Government in this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Crow_laws
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Post by bluepenquin on Jun 27, 2021 21:06:03 GMT -5
Wow! You are taking comments I have made out of context. Not sure where to start. I make a comment about one thing - and you attach this as a response to something else. No i’m not. It’s not out of context. You were specifically directly asked what whites face discrimination as, AS A GROUP, and that was your response. Why did you respond in that way? These were your examples: one is not even close to racial discrimination (what was the point in bringing it up then?) What part was taken out of context? The only issue is you said you *may* have been passed over — my apologies if that’s the issue. It’s trivial at best — it was the point you were trying to make re: potential discriminations. Sure they do - I have applied for many jobs and the great majority of them I was not offered the job. I doubt that any of them was because I was white. My appearance could have easily been a factor - it is usually pretty important in the hiring process. My qualifications - I also doubt it. The employer had to make a decision and 'discriminate' in their selection. This is rather normal. Of course an easy place (and not a big deal) - was being an 18 year old kid at the park playing basketball where I was the only white person around. My race didn't give me much advantage in getting picked to play - pretty much relegated to playing when my turn in calling game came up. My response related to everyone (including white people) faces discrimination. I gave some possible examples for me - probably none of these had anything to do with my race. Why do we have to assume that similar things from a black person is always due to race?
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Post by donut on Jun 27, 2021 21:12:17 GMT -5
No i’m not. It’s not out of context. You were specifically directly asked what whites face discrimination as, AS A GROUP, and that was your response. Why did you respond in that way? These were your examples: one is not even close to racial discrimination (what was the point in bringing it up then?) What part was taken out of context? The only issue is you said you *may* have been passed over — my apologies if that’s the issue. It’s trivial at best — it was the point you were trying to make re: potential discriminations. My response related to everyone (including white people) faces discrimination. I gave some possible examples for me - probably none of these had anything to do with my race. Why do we have to assume that similar things from a black person is always due to race? holy hell
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Post by bluepenquin on Jun 27, 2021 21:15:01 GMT -5
And your racial voter suppression is a total crock. There is zero evidence of racial voter suppression in this country over the last several decades. Tell me the last time there was a single case where the voting rules were different for a black person than a white person? There are no laws or voting restrictions created attempted to make voting more difficult that specifically target or at the very least disadvantage minority groups in disproportionate numbers? You can say YOU disagree with the evidence presented, but please don’t say there’s no evidence. So there can be no voter suppression unless the rules are different? I wonder if your opinion would be literacy tests couldn’t be racist either. There is no evidence of a black person going to vote and having different requirements than a white person in the same location in this last election or any election for decades. I think a literacy test is a horrible idea. But on top of a literacy test - it was applied unequally between blacks and whites which is the definition of racial discrimination. The dog whistling on the left over voter suppression - and linking to racism is the exact equivalent of the voter fraud on the right. It is 100% politics.
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Post by moody on Jun 27, 2021 21:16:29 GMT -5
No i’m not. It’s not out of context. You were specifically directly asked what whites face discrimination as, AS A GROUP, and that was your response. Why did you respond in that way? These were your examples: one is not even close to racial discrimination (what was the point in bringing it up then?) What part was taken out of context? The only issue is you said you *may* have been passed over — my apologies if that’s the issue. It’s trivial at best — it was the point you were trying to make re: potential discriminations. My response related to everyone (including white people) faces discrimination. I gave some possible examples for me - probably none of these had anything to do with my race. Why do we have to assume that similar things from a black person is always due to race? you have the same lame argument for EVERYTHING. Silly false comparisons. It's laughable.
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Post by bluepenquin on Jun 27, 2021 21:18:51 GMT -5
My response related to everyone (including white people) faces discrimination. I gave some possible examples for me - probably none of these had anything to do with my race. Why do we have to assume that similar things from a black person is always due to race? you have the same lame argument for EVERYTHING. Silly false comparisons. It's laughable. Same thing I hear from people on the right. People have become righteously blind and stopped listening...
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Post by moody on Jun 27, 2021 21:24:54 GMT -5
you have the same lame argument for EVERYTHING. Silly false comparisons. It's laughable. Same thing I hear from people on the right. People have become righteously blind and stopped listening... You do realize you just used your same lame silly comparison to respond to my post about you using lame comparisons don't you? You just can't make this stuff up.
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Post by cindra on Jun 27, 2021 21:26:36 GMT -5
There are no laws or voting restrictions created attempted to make voting more difficult that specifically target or at the very least disadvantage minority groups in disproportionate numbers? You can say YOU disagree with the evidence presented, but please don’t say there’s no evidence. So there can be no voter suppression unless the rules are different? I wonder if your opinion would be literacy tests couldn’t be racist either. There is no evidence of a black person going to vote and having different requirements than a white person in the same location in this last election or any election for decades. I think a literacy test is a horrible idea. But on top of a literacy test - it was applied unequally between blacks and whites which is the definition of racial discrimination. The dog whistling on the left over voter suppression - and linking to racism is the exact equivalent of the voter fraud on the right. It is 100% politics. stop reading national review. read this instead supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/570/529/#tab-opinion-1970751
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Post by trojansc on Jun 27, 2021 21:30:54 GMT -5
My response related to everyone (including white people) faces discrimination. I gave some possible examples for me - probably none of these had anything to do with my race. Why do we have to assume that similar things from a black person is always due to race? You were asked what discriminations white people faced, as a group. AS A GROUP. We are not talking about 'any' form of discrimination. We are specifically talking about racial discrimination. So, you could have just said you don't personally have any examples. Your last question, I can't believe you're being serious. After my explanations to you about white privilege and your 'all or nothing' thinking regarding that concept which I've tried to tell you multiple times is flawed and simply incorrect, I would think you would have gotten further than that. But since you still don't seem to get it, I can repeat with an example: Not every example of someone calling the police, as discussed, on Black people means they are discriminating against them or are racist. However, this routine harassment happens at continuous rates. Thankfully, because of technology, these instances of harassment and discrimination are causing these people to get fired. See: the hotel rep harassing a Black family for using a pool, a restaurant manager applying dress codes (which can be racist, would you like to discuss those?) getting fired, an apartment manager getting fired for the same instance about using the pool/facilities, and so on, so on. Not just these widely publicized events are the ones occurring either, obviously, as I have seen many myself. Again, as I also mentioned earlier, I'm questioning how much experience you have with minorities and particularly the Black experience in America, and as to *why* you have such strong opinions these discriminations are not as prevalent as you think, or are in some way not disproportionate to white people.
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Post by trojansc on Jun 27, 2021 21:48:47 GMT -5
There are no laws or voting restrictions created attempted to make voting more difficult that specifically target or at the very least disadvantage minority groups in disproportionate numbers? So there can be no voter suppression unless the rules are different? I wonder if your opinion would be literacy tests couldn’t be racist either. There is no evidence of a black person going to vote and having different requirements than a white person in the same location in this last election or any election for decades. . Repeating the same thing which I already understood (and acknowledged). There can be no voter suppression unless the RULES are different (i.e a black person must have different rules or requirements for voting? Your opinion is that there can be no voter suppression unless there are explicit RULES that are different. EX: Accepting a gun license or fishing license but not accepting a college ID or public housing ID would not fall under voter suppression, that is your statement? Maybe you just simply don't know the definition of what voter suppression means? as i'm sure we've already provided to you:
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Post by mikegarrison on Jun 27, 2021 22:17:05 GMT -5
There is no evidence of a black person going to vote and having different requirements than a white person in the same location in this last election or any election for decades. . Repeating the same thing which I already understood (and acknowledged). There can be no voter suppression unless the RULES are different (i.e a black person must have different rules or requirements for voting? Your opinion is that there can be no voter suppression unless there are explicit RULES that are different. EX: Accepting a gun license or fishing license but not accepting a college ID or public housing ID would not fall under voter suppression, that is your statement? Maybe you just simply don't know the definition of what voter suppression means? as i'm sure we've already provided to you: There are none so blind as those who will not see. It's been pointed out to him many times that *which* IDs are accepted can easily be tailored to fit certain races or ideologies. Want to filter out old people? Accept college IDs but not senior citizen bus passes. Want the opposite? Do the opposite. Want to favor legislators who support gun ownership? Allow hunting IDs as voting IDs. Want to favor car-driving suburbanites over transit-riding urbanites? Accept driving licenses but not bus passes. Etc.
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Post by bluepenquin on Jun 28, 2021 11:33:53 GMT -5
There is no evidence of a black person going to vote and having different requirements than a white person in the same location in this last election or any election for decades. . Repeating the same thing which I already understood (and acknowledged). There can be no voter suppression unless the RULES are different (i.e a black person must have different rules or requirements for voting? Your opinion is that there can be no voter suppression unless there are explicit RULES that are different. EX: Accepting a gun license or fishing license but not accepting a college ID or public housing ID would not fall under voter suppression, that is your statement? Maybe you just simply don't know the definition of what voter suppression means? as i'm sure we've already provided to you: Voter registration is voter suppression. Is voter registration racist? The term 'voter suppression' has lost any meaning.
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Post by mikegarrison on Jun 28, 2021 11:41:29 GMT -5
Repeating the same thing which I already understood (and acknowledged). There can be no voter suppression unless the RULES are different (i.e a black person must have different rules or requirements for voting? Your opinion is that there can be no voter suppression unless there are explicit RULES that are different. EX: Accepting a gun license or fishing license but not accepting a college ID or public housing ID would not fall under voter suppression, that is your statement? Maybe you just simply don't know the definition of what voter suppression means? as i'm sure we've already provided to you: Voter registration is voter suppression. Is voter registration racist? The term 'voter suppression' has lost any meaning. It's so much easier to accept a morally indefensible situation if you pretend that it doesn't actually exist.
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Post by donut on Jun 28, 2021 11:41:31 GMT -5
Repeating the same thing which I already understood (and acknowledged). There can be no voter suppression unless the RULES are different (i.e a black person must have different rules or requirements for voting? Your opinion is that there can be no voter suppression unless there are explicit RULES that are different. EX: Accepting a gun license or fishing license but not accepting a college ID or public housing ID would not fall under voter suppression, that is your statement? Maybe you just simply don't know the definition of what voter suppression means? as i'm sure we've already provided to you: Voter registration is voter suppression. Is voter registration racist? The term 'voter suppression' has lost any meaning. lol no it hasn't This is getting pathetic, blue. You consistently purposefully misdefine a phenomenon in order to support your own biases, you purposefully ignore evidence of that phenomenon, and then moronically compare it to a false conspiracy, in order to support a #bothsides agenda you have. As someone who prides themself on their education and academic background, you should be ashamed of how you're behaving.
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