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Post by bluepenquin on Jun 28, 2021 11:41:51 GMT -5
There is no evidence of a black person going to vote and having different requirements than a white person in the same location in this last election or any election for decades. I think a literacy test is a horrible idea. But on top of a literacy test - it was applied unequally between blacks and whites which is the definition of racial discrimination. The dog whistling on the left over voter suppression - and linking to racism is the exact equivalent of the voter fraud on the right. It is 100% politics. stop reading national review. read this instead supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/570/529/#tab-opinion-1970751Shelby was a 5-4 decision saying that voting racial discrimination from 40 years ago no longer has a bearing on today. Again - there was nothing cited or claimed where a voting law was different for a black person than a white person.
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Post by cindra on Jun 28, 2021 11:43:07 GMT -5
Repeating the same thing which I already understood (and acknowledged). There can be no voter suppression unless the RULES are different (i.e a black person must have different rules or requirements for voting? Your opinion is that there can be no voter suppression unless there are explicit RULES that are different. EX: Accepting a gun license or fishing license but not accepting a college ID or public housing ID would not fall under voter suppression, that is your statement? Maybe you just simply don't know the definition of what voter suppression means? as i'm sure we've already provided to you: Voter registration is voter suppression. Is voter registration racist? The term 'voter suppression' has lost any meaning. lmfao
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Post by bluepenquin on Jun 28, 2021 11:43:34 GMT -5
This is like talking to Trumpy people about elections - everyone is off their rocker...
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Post by bluepenquin on Jun 28, 2021 11:47:08 GMT -5
Voter registration is voter suppression. Is voter registration racist? The term 'voter suppression' has lost any meaning. lmfao I still haven't heard of a case where people were unable to vote w/o minimal effort. Just like - people are unable to find where voter fraud changed the outcome of an election.
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Post by donut on Jun 28, 2021 11:47:52 GMT -5
I still haven't heard of a case where people were unable to vote w/o minimal effort. a made up definition you keep using because it supports your pre-existing backward biases
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Post by donut on Jun 28, 2021 11:48:42 GMT -5
Shelby was a 5-4 decision saying that voting racial discrimination from 40 years ago no longer has a bearing on today. Again - there was nothing cited or claimed where a voting law was different for a black person than a white person. It did not say that
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jun 28, 2021 11:53:55 GMT -5
This is like talking to Trumpy people about elections - everyone is off their rocker... Yes, clearly, everyone is off their rocker EXCEPT the guy who says racism isn't a significant factor in American society, yup! Have fun at church with the "6 Million Weren't Enough" crowd!
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Post by donut on Jun 28, 2021 11:57:19 GMT -5
This is like talking to Trumpy people about elections - everyone is off their rocker... Yes, clearly, everyone is off their rocker EXCEPT the guy who says racism isn't a significant factor in American society, yup! Have fun at church with the "6 Million Weren't Enough" crowd! I wonder how God feels about this response: "Systemic racism? It doesn't exist because I, as a white person, wasn't given a job once." I don't think he likes it.
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Post by mikegarrison on Jun 28, 2021 11:58:43 GMT -5
This is like talking to Trumpy people about elections - everyone is off their rocker... When everyone else says you are wrong, maybe you are a visionary. Or maybe you're wrong.
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Post by bluepenquin on Jun 28, 2021 13:31:58 GMT -5
This is like talking to Trumpy people about elections - everyone is off their rocker... Yes, clearly, everyone is off their rocker EXCEPT the guy who says racism isn't a significant factor in American society, yup! Have fun at church with the "6 Million Weren't Enough" crowd! And I never said this nor think this...
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Post by bluepenquin on Jun 28, 2021 13:46:36 GMT -5
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Post by donut on Jun 28, 2021 14:24:40 GMT -5
The high school debaters I coach know that a tagline for a source needs to be supported by the source. Blue, you apparently don't know that.
Ironically, there is a significant chunk of text in that article that aligns with how everyone except you defines voter suppression on this board. So yeah -- people can have vastly different opinions, but those opinions can be off base and wrong... like yours are.
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Post by trojansc on Jun 28, 2021 14:46:16 GMT -5
I still haven't heard of a case where people were unable to vote w/o minimal effort. Just like - people are unable to find where voter fraud changed the outcome of an election. What do you call efforts to make it harder to vote for specific groups of people? What do you call enacting policies that disproportionately affect certain groups of people (on a racial basis or not!)? Maybe this can help us get somewhere. I'm providing actual definitions - while you tend to make up your own and call people off their rockers? That's not a good look. Anyway - to the point you're trying to make, I cited a case back awhile ago of a high school student in Alabama who turned 18 in time to vote in the 2016 elections. The DMV office nearest her was only open *one* day a MONTH. She did not drive, and there was no public transportation. This is the same state that said housing ID's provided to them by government public housing authorities were NOT valid to vote (71% Black). This DMV thing is not a coincidence - with Photo ID laws, there were more DMV closures which resulted in the scenario's above. This has also been pointed out to you - the people enacting these laws know what they're doing and what they're targeting. There's got to be a word for this, if you don't like voter suppression, please let me know what word you'd like to use. Your definition of minimal effort is also probably different than mine.
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Post by mikegarrison on Jun 28, 2021 14:50:58 GMT -5
I was amused by one sentence in that article. It showed that "nuke it from orbit" (a line from Aliens) is so entrenched in our culture that it can be used to describe a potential Supreme Court decision.
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Post by donut on Jun 28, 2021 14:51:13 GMT -5
I still haven't heard of a case where people were unable to vote w/o minimal effort. Just like - people are unable to find where voter fraud changed the outcome of an election. Your definition of minimal effort is also probably different than mine. For starters, his definition of "minimal effort" (and unsupported insistence that it's some benchmark or standard) stems from undeniable privilege.
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