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Post by mikegarrison on Jun 28, 2021 14:52:58 GMT -5
Your definition of minimal effort is also probably different than mine. My definition of minimal effort is that they mail me a ballot, and all I have to do is fill it out and drop it back in the mailbox. Now *that's* minimal effort.
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Post by trojansc on Jun 28, 2021 14:58:06 GMT -5
Your definition of minimal effort is also probably different than mine. For starters, his definition of "minimal effort" (and unsupported insistence that it's some benchmark or standard) stems from undeniable privilege. For the record, I don't even know how I would define minimal effort, or, maybe a better word, would be that I simply can't provide a minimal effort that will be even across the country. As I said here before, I went like a whole year in college without an ID in *Los Angeles*. I even flew with a college ID (it's doable, at least was ~10 years ago, but pretty sure it still is today). It's easy to see how anyone else in society will go without an ID as well. So, if ID's are not completely free for anyone to vote, I'm not considering that as minimal. Then, as in the example, considering transportation, taking off work to get the ID is another factor that may not be minimal in my definition. Then, consider transportation *to* vote. I'm not going to pretend that I know all rural areas, but I've certainly lived in areas in the South with no public transportation. All of that leads me to believe that minimal effort, which even what I know, may not be so minimal. Especially to people working long hours with very little means. Minimal effort is something like getting a ballot mailed to your house and returning it with very simple and free registration to vote without any monetary requirements.
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Post by trojansc on Jun 28, 2021 14:58:41 GMT -5
Your definition of minimal effort is also probably different than mine. My definition of minimal effort is that they mail me a ballot, and all I have to do is fill it out and drop it back in the mailbox. Now *that's* minimal effort. LOL. I was already typing my response when you posted this. ^
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Post by donut on Jun 28, 2021 15:00:15 GMT -5
For starters, his definition of "minimal effort" (and unsupported insistence that it's some benchmark or standard) stems from undeniable privilege. For the record, I don't even know how I would define minimal effort, or, maybe a better word, would be that I simply can't provide a minimal effort that will be even across the country. As I said here before, I went like a whole year in college without an ID in *Los Angeles*. I even flew with a college ID (it's doable, at least was ~10 years ago, but pretty sure it still is today). It's easy to see how anyone else in society will go without an ID as well. So, if ID's are not completely free for anyone to vote, I'm not considering that as minimal. Then, as in the example, considering transportation, taking off work to get the ID is another factor that may not be minimal in my definition. Then, consider transportation *to* vote. I'm not going to pretend that I know all rural areas, but I've certainly lived in areas in the South with no public transportation. All of that leads me to believe that minimal effort, which even what I know, may not be so minimal. Especially to people working long hours with very little means. Minimal effort is something like getting a ballot mailed to your house and returning it with very simple and free registration to vote without any monetary requirements. Considering blue thought driving across HOUSTON to vote was minimal effort, it's clear he's relying on circular reasons (and again, privilege) to argue that pretty much anything would constitute minimal effort.
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Post by mikegarrison on Jun 28, 2021 15:11:26 GMT -5
My definition of minimal effort is that they mail me a ballot, and all I have to do is fill it out and drop it back in the mailbox. Now *that's* minimal effort. LOL. I was already typing my response when you posted this. ^ That's just how we roll in the OMG IT'S SO HOT state of Washington. Temp in my house is about 90F right now, and outside it is well over 100F. And no, I have no A/C.
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Post by bluepenquin on Jun 28, 2021 16:12:39 GMT -5
The high school debaters I coach know that a tagline for a source needs to be supported by the source. Blue, you apparently don't know that. Ironically, there is a significant chunk of text in that article that aligns with how everyone except you defines voter suppression on this board. So yeah -- people can have vastly different opinions, but those opinions can be off base and wrong... like yours are. Yes - I pulled a very liberal interpretation of the case at the court now. An opinion that will not be shared by at least 5 on the Supreme Court and possibly 6. The 'editorial' in the article was badly biased - but pulling one equally badly biased on the right wouldn't have gotten a second look from the libs on this board. The problem - you probably don't realize how biased this was.
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Post by bluepenquin on Jun 28, 2021 16:18:13 GMT -5
For starters, his definition of "minimal effort" (and unsupported insistence that it's some benchmark or standard) stems from undeniable privilege. For the record, I don't even know how I would define minimal effort, or, maybe a better word, would be that I simply can't provide a minimal effort that will be even across the country. As I said here before, I went like a whole year in college without an ID in *Los Angeles*. I even flew with a college ID (it's doable, at least was ~10 years ago, but pretty sure it still is today). It's easy to see how anyone else in society will go without an ID as well. So, if ID's are not completely free for anyone to vote, I'm not considering that as minimal. Then, as in the example, considering transportation, taking off work to get the ID is another factor that may not be minimal in my definition. Then, consider transportation *to* vote. I'm not going to pretend that I know all rural areas, but I've certainly lived in areas in the South with no public transportation. All of that leads me to believe that minimal effort, which even what I know, may not be so minimal. Especially to people working long hours with very little means. Minimal effort is something like getting a ballot mailed to your house and returning it with very simple and free registration to vote without any monetary requirements. The Georgia 'Jim Crow' new law offers free ID via mail for anyone - to capture anyone inconvenienced by the DMV. But hey - when the standard of free ID is racist - then there really isn't any sane acceptance of voter ID.
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Post by donut on Jun 28, 2021 16:25:36 GMT -5
The high school debaters I coach know that a tagline for a source needs to be supported by the source. Blue, you apparently don't know that. Ironically, there is a significant chunk of text in that article that aligns with how everyone except you defines voter suppression on this board. So yeah -- people can have vastly different opinions, but those opinions can be off base and wrong... like yours are. Yes - I pulled a very liberal interpretation of the case at the court now. An opinion that will not be shared by at least 5 on the Supreme Court and possibly 6. The 'editorial' in the article was badly biased - but pulling one equally badly biased on the right wouldn't have gotten a second look from the libs on this board. The problem - you probably don't realize how biased this was. bahaha So let me get this straight. You shared a "biased," left-leaning article for no purpose at all? You shared it, without support, to suggest (using this term generously here) "this view is wrong?" With the irrelevant caption: "This should be coming out soon - and it seems rather likely that Alito will be writing the opinion. Again - people have vastly different opinions on what constitutes racial voter suppression?" "Alito" and "voter suppression" aren't even mentioned in the article. Again, my high schoolers engage is less lazy discourse than you.
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Post by bluepenquin on Jun 28, 2021 16:25:45 GMT -5
For the record, I don't even know how I would define minimal effort, or, maybe a better word, would be that I simply can't provide a minimal effort that will be even across the country. As I said here before, I went like a whole year in college without an ID in *Los Angeles*. I even flew with a college ID (it's doable, at least was ~10 years ago, but pretty sure it still is today). It's easy to see how anyone else in society will go without an ID as well. So, if ID's are not completely free for anyone to vote, I'm not considering that as minimal. Then, as in the example, considering transportation, taking off work to get the ID is another factor that may not be minimal in my definition. Then, consider transportation *to* vote. I'm not going to pretend that I know all rural areas, but I've certainly lived in areas in the South with no public transportation. All of that leads me to believe that minimal effort, which even what I know, may not be so minimal. Especially to people working long hours with very little means. Minimal effort is something like getting a ballot mailed to your house and returning it with very simple and free registration to vote without any monetary requirements. Considering blue thought driving across HOUSTON to vote was minimal effort, it's clear he's relying on circular reasons (and again, privilege) to argue that pretty much anything would constitute minimal effort. Houston is about 23% black. In this case - how was the white and hispanic voters in Houston 'privileged' and not the black voters? Racism and White Privilege are thrown around so much by the left that they start to lose any meaning.
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Post by bluepenquin on Jun 28, 2021 16:32:27 GMT -5
Yes - I pulled a very liberal interpretation of the case at the court now. An opinion that will not be shared by at least 5 on the Supreme Court and possibly 6. The 'editorial' in the article was badly biased - but pulling one equally badly biased on the right wouldn't have gotten a second look from the libs on this board. The problem - you probably don't realize how biased this was. bahaha So let me get this straight. You shared a "biased," left-leaning article for no purpose at all? You shared it, without support, to say "this view is wrong?" With the caption: "This should be coming out soon - and it seems rather likely that Alito will be writing the opinion. Again - people have vastly different opinions on what constitutes racial voter suppression?" "Alito" and "voter suppression" aren't even mentioned in the article. Again, my high schoolers engage is less lazy discourse than you. Shelby was brought up. This case is topical and is coming up this week and relates to the VRA. I was just looking at Trende's article today on the odds of who is going to write the case (which wouldn't have been available at the time of the VOX article). It is unlikely anyone other than Alito writes the opinion. I just put the VOX article out there so people would know what I was talking about. If no one is interested - no big deal. It wasn't intended to 'support' my position on the merits of the subject - other than VOX and the 3 liberal justices have a very different opinion of Section 5 as the 6 conservative justices.
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Post by donut on Jun 28, 2021 16:33:04 GMT -5
Considering blue thought driving across HOUSTON to vote was minimal effort, it's clear he's relying on circular reasons (and again, privilege) to argue that pretty much anything would constitute minimal effort. Houston is about 23% black. In this case - how was the white and hispanic voters in Houston 'privileged' and not the black voters? This makes no sense. I'll take "unsupported, tired and biased falsehoods predictably recited by blue" for $200, Alex.
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Post by bluepenquin on Jun 28, 2021 16:37:11 GMT -5
Houston is about 23% black. In this case - how was the white and hispanic voters in Houston 'privileged' and not the black voters? This makes no sense. You said black people in Houston had to make long drives to vote and then invoked 'privilege' as usual. I was just curious if the white people that had to make long drives were privileged?
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Post by donut on Jun 28, 2021 16:37:51 GMT -5
You said black people in Houston had to make long drives to vote Where did I say that?
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Post by trojansc on Jun 28, 2021 16:38:22 GMT -5
For the record, I don't even know how I would define minimal effort, or, maybe a better word, would be that I simply can't provide a minimal effort that will be even across the country. As I said here before, I went like a whole year in college without an ID in *Los Angeles*. I even flew with a college ID (it's doable, at least was ~10 years ago, but pretty sure it still is today). It's easy to see how anyone else in society will go without an ID as well. So, if ID's are not completely free for anyone to vote, I'm not considering that as minimal. Then, as in the example, considering transportation, taking off work to get the ID is another factor that may not be minimal in my definition. Then, consider transportation *to* vote. I'm not going to pretend that I know all rural areas, but I've certainly lived in areas in the South with no public transportation. All of that leads me to believe that minimal effort, which even what I know, may not be so minimal. Especially to people working long hours with very little means. Minimal effort is something like getting a ballot mailed to your house and returning it with very simple and free registration to vote without any monetary requirements. The Georgia 'Jim Crow' new law offers free ID via mail for anyone - to capture anyone inconvenienced by the DMV. But hey - when the standard of free ID is racist - then there really isn't any sane acceptance of voter ID. And you're accusing others of being off their rocker? You have no attempt to have an honest conversation and stay on the relevant topic. This is post after post, you have not addressed YOUR definition of voter suppression or questions you have been posed. Keep in mind (and I've already been slandered for it here before) I've never voted in an election, so your points about 'the left' and political motivation are at least moot at best with me. I actually like to discuss these topics in simply what I believe is right or wrong in line with MY morals and values and offer my honest perspectives on them.
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Post by donut on Jun 28, 2021 16:42:11 GMT -5
and then invoked 'privilege' as usual. Also, just to nip this in the bud... I don't "invoke" privilege. Whether you accept it or not, your worldview is baseline influenced by a high level of privilege. Your entire posting persona makes that very clear. So I'm not "invoking" anything -- just accurately highlighting a constant. My worldview is also heavily influenced by privilege! I do my best to identify and understand that privilege, so I can understand where my biases lie. If only you could drop your libertarian ego enough to do the same...
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