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Post by donut on Jun 15, 2021 21:05:57 GMT -5
Well, technically Trump got elected because we don't use popular vote to determine the President. So maybe, Trump got elected because voters [in certain states] had an intense dislike of Hilary. Not sure how you can deny though that Trump's America was partly a reaction to our first black president. Again where was "Trump's" America during Obama's re-election? It's been a while but did as many people vote for Hilary as did Obama? People who I knew that were openly Democratic Party were very much on the fence about voting for Hilary. lol wut Why don’t you ask Trump where he was during Obama’s re-election. Bankruptcy court? I have no idea. And Obama had like 60,000 more votes than Hilary. 1/10 of a number you keep completely dismissing in another thread, so I’d say a pretty negligible difference.
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Post by mervinswerved on Jun 15, 2021 21:14:18 GMT -5
To be clear, I don't think the backlash to Obama was primarily because he's Black (although it was certainly part of it). The majority of the backlash to Obama owed to a completely feckless and ineffectual presidency that failed to respond to an economic collapse while perpetuating a forever war after saying he'd end it. Maybe rightly so! Just very unfortunate the backlash materialized as Trump.
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Post by AmeriCanvbdad on Jun 15, 2021 21:16:51 GMT -5
Again where was "Trump's" America during Obama's re-election? It's been a while but did as many people vote for Hilary as did Obama? People who I knew that were openly Democratic Party were very much on the fence about voting for Hilary. lol wut Why don’t you ask Trump where he was during Obama’s re-election. Bankruptcy court? I have no idea. And Obama had like 60,000 more votes than Hilary. 1/10 of a number you keep completely dismissing in another thread, so I’d say a pretty negligible difference. I think you're comparing apples to doughnuts. It seems you're ignoring that Hilary didn't connect with significant voting blocks the way Obama did. Trump winning had more to do with that than with it being a statement about Obama's EIGHT years in office.
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Post by AmeriCanvbdad on Jun 15, 2021 21:21:58 GMT -5
To be clear, I don't think the backlash to Obama was primarily because he's Black (although it was certainly part of it). The majority of the backlash to Obama owed to a completely feckless and ineffectual presidency that failed to respond to an economic collapse while perpetuating a forever war after saying he'd end it. Maybe rightly so! Just very unfortunate the backlash materialized as Trump. I agree with most of that. Republicans did not want to lose to Hilary and they knew all of their entrenched candidates would lose to her. I call it the Heath Ledger Joker syndrome. The criminals were tired of losing to Batman so they employ a madman to defeat him. In this case the madman was Trump. That being said Obama could've made good on more of his promises.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2021 21:26:26 GMT -5
To be clear, I don't think the backlash to Obama was primarily because he's Black (although it was certainly part of it). The majority of the backlash to Obama owed to a completely feckless and ineffectual presidency that failed to respond to an economic collapse while perpetuating a forever war after saying he'd end it. Maybe rightly so! Just very unfortunate the backlash materialized as Trump. That's one take. Not a good one, however, imo.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2021 21:27:57 GMT -5
To be clear, I don't think the backlash to Obama was primarily because he's Black (although it was certainly part of it). The majority of the backlash to Obama owed to a completely feckless and ineffectual presidency that failed to respond to an economic collapse while perpetuating a forever war after saying he'd end it. Maybe rightly so! Just very unfortunate the backlash materialized as Trump. I agree with most of that. Republicans did not want to lose to Hilary and they knew all of their entrenched candidates would lose to her. I call it the Heath Ledger Joker syndrome. The criminals were tired of losing to Batman so they employ a madman to defeat him. In this case the madman was Trump. That being said Obama could've made good on more of his promises. Also a bad take, imo. The GOP did not want anything to do with Trump. Unfortunately, for them, he won the nomination and they were stuck. No excuse for what they are doing now, however. Except that they probably feel like they are still stuck.
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Post by mikegarrison on Jun 15, 2021 21:36:40 GMT -5
where was "Trump's" America during Obama's re-election? Busy hunting for a non-existent Kenyan birth certificate.
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Post by mervinswerved on Jun 15, 2021 21:38:36 GMT -5
To be clear, I don't think the backlash to Obama was primarily because he's Black (although it was certainly part of it). The majority of the backlash to Obama owed to a completely feckless and ineffectual presidency that failed to respond to an economic collapse while perpetuating a forever war after saying he'd end it. Maybe rightly so! Just very unfortunate the backlash materialized as Trump. That's one take. Not a good one, however, imo. Yes yes, it was solely racism. Nothing to do with Obama selling out his movement for a bunch of neoliberal policies that screwed the working class people who voted him into office twice.
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Post by mikegarrison on Jun 15, 2021 21:40:56 GMT -5
To be clear, I don't think the backlash to Obama was primarily because he's Black (although it was certainly part of it). The majority of the backlash to Obama owed to a completely feckless and ineffectual presidency that failed to respond to an economic collapse while perpetuating a forever war after saying he'd end it. Maybe rightly so! Just very unfortunate the backlash materialized as Trump. Nah. The people who were upset about the war weren't going to vote for Romney. And the people who wanted to vote for Romney weren't upset about the war. As for the economy, in large part I believe that Congress intentionally choked the recovery as much as possible, because they didn't want an Obama success.
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Post by mervinswerved on Jun 15, 2021 21:44:58 GMT -5
To be clear, I don't think the backlash to Obama was primarily because he's Black (although it was certainly part of it). The majority of the backlash to Obama owed to a completely feckless and ineffectual presidency that failed to respond to an economic collapse while perpetuating a forever war after saying he'd end it. Maybe rightly so! Just very unfortunate the backlash materialized as Trump. Nah. The people who were upset about the war weren't going to vote for Romney. And the people who wanted to vote for Romney weren't upset about the war. As for the economy, in large part I believe that Congress intentionally choked the recovery as much as possible, because they didn't want an Obama success. The Congress controlled by Democratic majorities in both chambers?
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Post by mervinswerved on Jun 15, 2021 21:46:51 GMT -5
To be clear, I don't think the backlash to Obama was primarily because he's Black (although it was certainly part of it). The majority of the backlash to Obama owed to a completely feckless and ineffectual presidency that failed to respond to an economic collapse while perpetuating a forever war after saying he'd end it. Maybe rightly so! Just very unfortunate the backlash materialized as Trump. Nah. The people who were upset about the war weren't going to vote for Romney. And the people who wanted to vote for Romney weren't upset about the war. Thought we were talking about 2016.
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Post by mikegarrison on Jun 15, 2021 22:14:52 GMT -5
Nah. The people who were upset about the war weren't going to vote for Romney. And the people who wanted to vote for Romney weren't upset about the war. As for the economy, in large part I believe that Congress intentionally choked the recovery as much as possible, because they didn't want an Obama success. The Congress controlled by Democratic majorities in both chambers? Only from 2008-2010.
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Post by mikegarrison on Jun 15, 2021 22:16:02 GMT -5
I don't know what you are talking about, actually. You are ranting about "feckless" Obama, but talking about the Congress in 2020?
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Post by mervinswerved on Jun 15, 2021 22:20:13 GMT -5
The Congress controlled by Democratic majorities in both chambers? Only from 2008-2010. 2009 through 2010. A key time for the economic recovery from the 2008 crisis!
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Post by mervinswerved on Jun 15, 2021 22:21:05 GMT -5
I don't know what you are talking about, actually. You are ranting about "feckless" Obama, but talking about the Congress in 2020? Where did I mention 2020?
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