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Post by mikegarrison on Jun 15, 2021 22:23:58 GMT -5
2009 through 2010. A key time for the economic recovery from the 2008 crisis! A time when, mainly, they spent most of their effort getting the ACA passed. But yeah, they should have done more. They backed off from the stimulus they originally knew they should ask for, and ended up with a stimulus big enough for Republicans to whine about for the next 8 years but small enough to choke the recovery. Obama had run on a policy of bipartisan co-operation, and it took him a while to realize that the GOP was not interested in playing that game, no matter how hard he tried.
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Post by AmeriCanvbdad on Jun 15, 2021 22:23:59 GMT -5
I agree with most of that. Republicans did not want to lose to Hilary and they knew all of their entrenched candidates would lose to her. I call it the Heath Ledger Joker syndrome. The criminals were tired of losing to Batman so they employ a madman to defeat him. In this case the madman was Trump. That being said Obama could've made good on more of his promises. Also a bad take, imo. The GOP did not want anything to do with Trump. Unfortunately, for them, he won the nomination and they were stuck. No excuse for what they are doing now, however. Except that they probably feel like they are still stuck. The GOP establishment did not want him but the delegates who vote in primaries did.
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Post by donut on Jun 15, 2021 23:05:57 GMT -5
lol wut Why don’t you ask Trump where he was during Obama’s re-election. Bankruptcy court? I have no idea. And Obama had like 60,000 more votes than Hilary. 1/10 of a number you keep completely dismissing in another thread, so I’d say a pretty negligible difference. I think you're comparing apples to doughnuts. It seems you're ignoring that Hilary didn't connect with significant voting blocks the way Obama did. Trump winning had more to do with that than with it being a statement about Obama's EIGHT years in office. ... I’m not comparing anything? You’re the one who asked how many more votes Obama got and I gave you the answer, which I’m 99% positive negated a guess you were making (and weakens your overall point here).
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Post by AmeriCanvbdad on Jun 16, 2021 0:16:54 GMT -5
I think you're comparing apples to doughnuts. It seems you're ignoring that Hilary didn't connect with significant voting blocks the way Obama did. Trump winning had more to do with that than with it being a statement about Obama's EIGHT years in office. ... I’m not comparing anything? You’re the one who asked how many more votes Obama got and I gave you the answer, which I’m 99% positive negated a guess you were making (and weakens your overall point here). PDG...I wasn't making a guess but you made a dig connected to the other thread which I didn't think applied. I see how you think that it would. In any case... I don't think my overall point was weakened. www.cnn.com/2016/11/09/politics/clinton-votes-african-americans-latinos-women-white-voters/index.html
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Post by cindra on Jun 16, 2021 6:49:51 GMT -5
I agree with most of that. Republicans did not want to lose to Hilary and they knew all of their entrenched candidates would lose to her. I call it the Heath Ledger Joker syndrome. The criminals were tired of losing to Batman so they employ a madman to defeat him. In this case the madman was Trump. That being said Obama could've made good on more of his promises. Also a bad take, imo. The GOP did not want anything to do with Trump. Unfortunately, for them, he won the nomination and they were stuck. No excuse for what they are doing now, however. Except that they probably feel like they are still stuck. Maybe McConnell and Bill Kristol (lol) were unhappy but the GOP base and most of the politicians were ecstatic. He's a guy who believes basically everything they do and also is able to take flak for them while they implement the same politics they'd been implementing for years.
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Post by bluepenquin on Jun 16, 2021 7:03:40 GMT -5
Right? like lol who said this "But saying that White power and privilege is at an all-time high is just ridiculous." Even if, that’s what I don’t understand. Blue hasn’t talked about this issue in that manner. He’s explicitly said that white privilege should NOT be acknowledged. Maher isn’t saying that at all. So, I’m not sure what the point of this is. I haven’t even seen the attitudes that Maher expressed on this board, but let alone in my life. They’re soooo dramatic. This video reminds me of those long ignorant facebook rants, generally by the older population, where people respond “spot on” and make themselves look bad. I have consistently stated that to say ALL white people have benefited from some privileged by being white and all black people have been disadvantaged is incorrect. And then to take this further by saying ALL white people are oppressors and all black people are oppressed is also a flawed theory. To abandon the goal of a color blind society is a huge mistake given the progress that has been made. Progressives have abandoned this, and seem to be advocating institutional racism to combat inherent American racism. I categorically oppose this philosophy. Maher is hitting on the point that there isn't the vast racism today that existed generations ago. White racism continues to fade with each generation - and we are at the point where the few that still have these racist believes have virtually no power in this country. And where racism still exists and causes great harm (police/criminal justice) - we should be doing what we can to correct.
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Post by mervinswerved on Jun 16, 2021 7:48:38 GMT -5
White racism continues to fade with each generation - and we are at the point where the few that still have these racist believes have virtually no power in this country. what virtually no power in this country
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Post by mervinswerved on Jun 16, 2021 7:55:33 GMT -5
Virtually no power other than a monopoly on legitimate violence.
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Post by gobruins on Jun 16, 2021 7:58:04 GMT -5
Maher is an unfunny jerk. Doesn't mean he can't be right about things, but it does tend to mean that I don't pay attention to him or care what his opinion is. Bill Maher is well past his expiration date. He has become, metaphorically speaking, the old man sitting on his front porch yelling at the kids to get off his lawn. Only difference is that his "front porch" is an HBO studio.
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Post by AmeriCanvbdad on Jun 16, 2021 8:09:12 GMT -5
Virtually no power other than a monopoly on legitimate violence. Are you referring to Law enforcement?
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Post by mervinswerved on Jun 16, 2021 8:10:38 GMT -5
Virtually no power other than a monopoly on legitimate violence. Are you referring to Law enforcement? Yes.
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Post by AmeriCanvbdad on Jun 16, 2021 8:14:32 GMT -5
Are you referring to Law enforcement? Yes. How can that be rectified? Or can it?
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Post by mervinswerved on Jun 16, 2021 8:21:29 GMT -5
How can that be rectified? Or can it? Sure, by dismantling existing law enforcement and penal systems and starting over from scratch.
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Post by mervinswerved on Jun 16, 2021 8:22:01 GMT -5
We'd probably also need to end capitalism, too, but one thing at a time.
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Post by AmeriCanvbdad on Jun 16, 2021 8:29:17 GMT -5
How can that be rectified? Or can it? Sure, by dismantling existing law enforcement and penal systems and starting over from scratch. Hmm... start from scratch with a new kind of system? Do you have an idea what that new system might look like?
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