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Post by Logan Tom Fan on Dec 2, 2021 11:00:20 GMT -5
Not to beat a dead horse but we really need to up the level of play at the OH2 position (not to mention OH1 for next year). Not to keep ragging on Riley but she only shows up in one category in the Big West stats and that's in the "Kills Per Set" category where she is 17th. I don't know what her hitting % is in conference because she's not in the top 20 in that category and the Big West only lists the top 20 in each category. Overall she hit .155 for the season in a weak conference. If we want to get our program relevant again we need to do better than that. She's the one only because we didn't have anyone else this past season.... With that being said, I hope she drastically improves in the off-season and makes me eat crow......
I think we should be fair when we use statistics. For one thing, if you're listed in the top 20 in a stat it means you in the top 10% of all players. Even that can be misleading because the position played makes a difference depending on the category. It's common sense to leave setters, liberos, and ds out of the hitting %. The two categories that would apply to Wags is hitting % and Kills/set. If you look at hitting %, the first 10 listed are all MB (I didn't have the time to check them all out). I'm not sure, but it looks like there's only one OH2 listed and that's Katie Kennedy at #19. There are a couple of OPP's. As for Kills/set, again, I don't see many OH2's mentioned. I think Utterback is an OPP and is listed after Wags but made the conference first team. Lovett from LB is an OH2 behind Kashauna and she's listed after Wags.
Don't think it's fair to denigrate Wags when the stats used don't support it. Go back and watch the last UCSB game. It wasn't for Riley, the Wahine could have been swept in 3 again. I don't know Riley or her friends/family. I believe in trying to be fair. Oh, and by the way, I do believe that Mia Johnson is a talent and might have started for a lot of other teams, she's just not ready to displace Riley yet.What he is trying to point out is that if she had a hitting percentage of 3 or 350 points she more than likely would been good enough to have made the All-Big West First Team and would push this Hawai'i team to greater heights. Maybe even an undefeated BWC. Yes she may have had a great night against Santa Barbara, but is she doing it on a CONSISTENT level throughout the entire season? Her hitting percentage is a telling story of that answer. Like I said before, if she had a hitting percentage of 400 or 450 she could be an All-American type because it shows that out of every single set she gets, almost half of them will end up in kills.
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Post by wcdiggs on Dec 2, 2021 11:22:08 GMT -5
I think we should be fair when we use statistics. For one thing, if you're listed in the top 20 in a stat it means you in the top 10% of all players. Even that can be misleading because the position played makes a difference depending on the category. It's common sense to leave setters, liberos, and ds out of the hitting %. The two categories that would apply to Wags is hitting % and Kills/set. If you look at hitting %, the first 10 listed are all MB (I didn't have the time to check them all out). I'm not sure, but it looks like there's only one OH2 listed and that's Katie Kennedy at #19. There are a couple of OPP's. As for Kills/set, again, I don't see many OH2's mentioned. I think Utterback is an OPP and is listed after Wags but made the conference first team. Lovett from LB is an OH2 behind Kashauna and she's listed after Wags.
Don't think it's fair to denigrate Wags when the stats used don't support it. Go back and watch the last UCSB game. It wasn't for Riley, the Wahine could have been swept in 3 again. I don't know Riley or her friends/family. I believe in trying to be fair. Oh, and by the way, I do believe that Mia Johnson is a talent and might have started for a lot of other teams, she's just not ready to displace Riley yet.What he is trying to point out is that if she had a hitting percentage of 3 or 350 points she more than likely would been good enough to have made the All-Big West First Team and would push this Hawai'i team to greater heights. Maybe even an undefeated BWC. Yes she may have had a great night against Santa Barbara, but is she doing it on a CONSISTENT level throughout the entire season? Her hitting percentage is a telling story of that answer. Like I said before, if she had a hitting percentage of 400 or 450 she could be an All-American type because it shows that out of every single set she gets, almost half of them will end up in kills. are you seriously saying that she should be hitting .450? the best MIDDLES in the country barely hit .450, and nearly the entirety of their sets are in system. No way an outside hits .450 for the season, in ANY conference, because they’re always going to get OOS balls. all Riley needs to do for Hawaii to be successful is hit .250
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Post by Logan Tom Fan on Dec 2, 2021 11:25:01 GMT -5
What he is trying to point out is that if she had a hitting percentage of 3 or 350 points she more than likely would been good enough to have made the All-Big West First Team and would push this Hawai'i team to greater heights. Maybe even an undefeated BWC. Yes she may have had a great night against Santa Barbara, but is she doing it on a CONSISTENT level throughout the entire season? Her hitting percentage is a telling story of that answer. Like I said before, if she had a hitting percentage of 400 or 450 she could be an All-American type because it shows that out of every single set she gets, almost half of them will end up in kills. are you seriously saying that she should be hitting .450? the best MIDDLES in the country barely hit .450, and nearly the entirety of their sets are in system. No way an outside hits .450 for the season, in ANY conference, because they’re always going to get OOS balls. all Riley needs to do for Hawaii to be successful is hit .250 I never said she should be hitting .450. I said if she was hitting that, she could be an All-American type.
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Post by wcdiggs on Dec 2, 2021 11:26:59 GMT -5
are you seriously saying that she should be hitting .450? the best MIDDLES in the country barely hit .450, and nearly the entirety of their sets are in system. No way an outside hits .450 for the season, in ANY conference, because they’re always going to get OOS balls. all Riley needs to do for Hawaii to be successful is hit .250 I never said she should be hitting .450. I said if she was hitting that, she could be an All-American type. Well obviously. any 6-rotation pin hitter who hits .450 on any substantial number of swings would be an all american
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Post by Logan Tom Fan on Dec 2, 2021 11:31:12 GMT -5
I never said she should be hitting .450. I said if she was hitting that, she could be an All-American type. Well obviously. any 6-rotation pin hitter who hits .450 on any substantial number of swings would be an all american Exactly.
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Post by Logan Tom Fan on Dec 2, 2021 11:33:13 GMT -5
What he is trying to point out is that if she had a hitting percentage of 3 or 350 points she more than likely would been good enough to have made the All-Big West First Team and would push this Hawai'i team to greater heights. Maybe even an undefeated BWC. Yes she may have had a great night against Santa Barbara, but is she doing it on a CONSISTENT level throughout the entire season? Her hitting percentage is a telling story of that answer. Like I said before, if she had a hitting percentage of 400 or 450 she could be an All-American type because it shows that out of every single set she gets, almost half of them will end up in kills. are you seriously saying that she should be hitting .450? the best MIDDLES in the country barely hit .450, and nearly the entirety of their sets are in system. No way an outside hits .450 for the season, in ANY conference, because they’re always going to get OOS balls. all Riley needs to do for Hawaii to be successful is hit .250 Ehhh if she's hitting .250 she's getting a kill in every four attempts. If she adds in a hitting error, that lower's her percentage even more. I'd like to see her hit in the .300 range, anywhere from .300 to .350 for Hawai'i to be successful.
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Post by wcdiggs on Dec 2, 2021 11:39:22 GMT -5
are you seriously saying that she should be hitting .450? the best MIDDLES in the country barely hit .450, and nearly the entirety of their sets are in system. No way an outside hits .450 for the season, in ANY conference, because they’re always going to get OOS balls. all Riley needs to do for Hawaii to be successful is hit .250 Ehhh if she's hitting .250 she's getting a kill in every four attempts. If she adds in a hitting error, that lower's her percentage even more. I'd like to see her hit in the .300 range, anywhere from .300 to .350 for Hawai'i to be successful. or if she’s hitting .250 she’s going 2k-1e every 4 swings. that’s more than enough for Hawaii to be successful if she has any amount of help from the other pin positions at all and Amber is able to keep her production up
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Post by Logan Tom Fan on Dec 2, 2021 11:47:56 GMT -5
Ehhh if she's hitting .250 she's getting a kill in every four attempts. If she adds in a hitting error, that lower's her percentage even more. I'd like to see her hit in the .300 range, anywhere from .300 to .350 for Hawai'i to be successful. or if she’s hitting .250 she’s going 2k-1e every 4 swings. that’s more than enough for Hawaii to be successful if she has any amount of help from the other pin positions at all and Amber is able to keep her production up I'm sorry, but if she's getting 20 kills with 10 errors out of 40 swings, I would be happy with the kill production but the errors would kill me. If she's doing that against a high quality team, ehhh I'd hope those around her were performing as well. But if that's against a team that Hawai'i should dominate, it's telling me she's inconsistent in her hitting.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2021 11:55:36 GMT -5
I think we should be fair when we use statistics. For one thing, if you're listed in the top 20 in a stat it means you in the top 10% of all players. Even that can be misleading because the position played makes a difference depending on the category. It's common sense to leave setters, liberos, and ds out of the hitting %. The two categories that would apply to Wags is hitting % and Kills/set. If you look at hitting %, the first 10 listed are all MB (I didn't have the time to check them all out). I'm not sure, but it looks like there's only one OH2 listed and that's Katie Kennedy at #19. There are a couple of OPP's. As for Kills/set, again, I don't see many OH2's mentioned. I think Utterback is an OPP and is listed after Wags but made the conference first team. Lovett from LB is an OH2 behind Kashauna and she's listed after Wags.
Don't think it's fair to denigrate Wags when the stats used don't support it. Go back and watch the last UCSB game. It wasn't for Riley, the Wahine could have been swept in 3 again. I don't know Riley or her friends/family. I believe in trying to be fair. Oh, and by the way, I do believe that Mia Johnson is a talent and might have started for a lot of other teams, she's just not ready to displace Riley yet.What he is trying to point out is that if she had a hitting percentage of 3 or 350 points she more than likely would been good enough to have made the All-Big West First Team and would push this Hawai'i team to greater heights. Maybe even an undefeated BWC. Yes she may have had a great night against Santa Barbara, but is she doing it on a CONSISTENT level throughout the entire season? Her hitting percentage is a telling story of that answer. Like I said before, if she had a hitting percentage of 400 or 450 she could be an All-American type because it shows that out of every single set she gets, almost half of them will end up in kills. MAAAAARYYYYYYYYYYY! Are you referring to Ronnie Wagoner on Hawaii’s men’s squad? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 In the women’s collegiate game, strong outsides hit around 27%-30% range. With a good enough sample size of swings and kills that hitting percentage supports consideration for an all-American nod. If she hit 45% as an outside, she’d be national player of the year……..
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Post by Logan Tom Fan on Dec 2, 2021 11:59:55 GMT -5
What he is trying to point out is that if she had a hitting percentage of 3 or 350 points she more than likely would been good enough to have made the All-Big West First Team and would push this Hawai'i team to greater heights. Maybe even an undefeated BWC. Yes she may have had a great night against Santa Barbara, but is she doing it on a CONSISTENT level throughout the entire season? Her hitting percentage is a telling story of that answer. Like I said before, if she had a hitting percentage of 400 or 450 she could be an All-American type because it shows that out of every single set she gets, almost half of them will end up in kills. MAAAAARYYYYYYYYYYY! Are you referring to Ronnie Wagoner on Hawaii’s men’s squad? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 In the women’s collegiate game, strong outsides hit around 27%-30% range. With a good enough sample size of swings and kills that hitting percentage supports consideration for an all-American nod. If she hit 45% as an outside, she’d be national player of the year…….. Not if she's averaging a kill or two per set she ain't lol. If she's averaging 4 kps and hitting that she could possibly be a candidate for NPOY. But I'd have to look at her resume first and see the teams they played that allowed her to accumulate those numbers. You know, the Kim Willoughby type stuff haha
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2021 12:04:24 GMT -5
MAAAAARYYYYYYYYYYY! Are you referring to Ronnie Wagoner on Hawaii’s men’s squad? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 In the women’s collegiate game, strong outsides hit around 27%-30% range. With a good enough sample size of swings and kills that hitting percentage supports consideration for an all-American nod. If she hit 45% as an outside, she’d be national player of the year…….. Not if she's averaging a kill or two per set she ain't lol. If she's averaging 4 kps and hitting that she could possibly be a candidate for NPOY. But I'd have to look at her resume first and see the teams they played that allowed her to accumulate those numbers. You know, the Kim Willoughby type stuff haha If she’s averaging 1-2 kills per set hitting about .450, she’s either become a sickening middle attacker or she’s coming off the bench and getting max 2 swings in 1 rotation. I love it! I needed this laugh whew 😭😭😭
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Post by Logan Tom Fan on Dec 2, 2021 12:08:26 GMT -5
Not if she's averaging a kill or two per set she ain't lol. If she's averaging 4 kps and hitting that she could possibly be a candidate for NPOY. But I'd have to look at her resume first and see the teams they played that allowed her to accumulate those numbers. You know, the Kim Willoughby type stuff haha If she’s averaging 1-2 kills per set hitting about .450, she’s either become a sickening middle attacker or she’s coming off the bench and getting max 2 swings in 1 rotation. I love it! I needed this laugh whew 😭😭😭 You never know lmao!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2021 12:18:24 GMT -5
If she’s averaging 1-2 kills per set hitting about .450, she’s either become a sickening middle attacker or she’s coming off the bench and getting max 2 swings in 1 rotation. I love it! I needed this laugh whew 😭😭😭 You never know lmao!! Haha very true!
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Post by 642fiddi on Dec 2, 2021 13:31:07 GMT -5
# Player SP K K/S E TA Pct A A/S SA SE SA/S RE DIG DIG/S BS BA BLK BLK/S BE BHE 1 Elisaia, Seleisa 107 147 1.37 53 377 .249 982 9.18 30 42 0.28 1 270 2.52 9 90 99.0 0.93 13 21 10 Lang, Kate 79 26 .33 9 77 .221 836 10.58 9 15 0.11 0 215 2.72 3 29 32.0 0.41 10 7 8 DeNecochea,Avalon 112 69 0.62 27 241 .174 1155 10.31 22 18 0.20 1 198 1.77 8 61 69 0.62 4 13
Can some one explain the criteria for All Conf team selection? These are the top teams setters running 5-1s. I am assuming the eyeball test is not used.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Dec 2, 2021 13:49:31 GMT -5
# Player SP K K/S E TA Pct A A/S SA SE SA/S RE DIG DIG/S BS BA BLK BLK/S BE BHE 1 Elisaia, Seleisa 107 147 1.37 53 377 .249 982 9.18 30 42 0.28 1 270 2.52 9 90 99.0 0.93 13 21 10 Lang, Kate 79 26 .33 9 77 .221 836 10.58 9 15 0.11 0 215 2.72 3 29 32.0 0.41 10 7 8 DeNecochea,Avalon 112 69 0.62 27 241 .174 1155 10.31 22 18 0.20 1 198 1.77 8 61 69 0.62 4 13 Can some one explain the criteria for All Conf team selection? These are the top teams setters running 5-1s. I am assuming the eyeball test is not used. This is all the Big West Hand book says about Awards: 23.2 Awards23.2.1 All-Conference & All-Freshman TeamsThe Conference coaches shall select recipients for the All-Conference first and freshman teams, as well as the Player of the Year, Freshman of the Year, and Coach of the Year. 1. Coaches shall not vote for themselves or for their own student-athletes for any of the awards except for Player of the Year. (Revised 5/11/09) 2. Student-athletes named to an All-Conference first team shall be awarded a plaque from the Conference. Plaques shall be awarded to individuals named Player of the Year, Freshman of the Year, and Coach of the Year. 3. Student-athletes will be named honorable mention if they receive votes on two or more ballots but are not named to the first team. They shall be awarded a certificate from the Conference. (Revised 7/14/08) 4. The All-Conference teams shall consist of 16 players on the first team including the Player of the Year and a libero. No second team shall be named. 23.2.2 All-Conference Team SelectionsThe following process shall be used in selecting the All-Conference team: 1. Coaches may nominate an unlimited number of players for Conference awards. (Revised 5/14/12) 2. The Conference Office shall distribute to the coaches a voting ballot containing all nominations and statistics. (Revised 5/14/12) 3. The voting ballot shall be submitted to the Conference Office by no later than noon PST the Sunday following the end of the regular season. (Revised 5/14/12, 5/12/14) 4. The Player of the Year shall be a write-in vote. (Revised 5/11/10) 23.2.3 All-Freshman Team SelectionsThe following process shall be used in selecting the All-Freshman team: 1. The nomination process and voting deadline shall be the same as for the All-Conference Team (See Section 23.2.2) 2. The seven players receiving the most votes shall be named to the All-Freshman team and each shall be awarded a certificate from the Conference. 3. The player receiving the highest point total in the balloting shall be named Freshman of the Year in addition to being placed on the All-Freshman team. If a different freshman is selected to the All-Conference first-team ahead of the player receiving the highest point total in the balloting for Freshman of the Year, the player selected to the All-Conference first team shall be named Freshman of the Year.
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