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Post by overonone on Sept 9, 2021 9:40:24 GMT -5
One reason I prefer the acrossthepond site over the FIVB site is that it shows all the teams that have withdrawn from each event. So you can see that a bunch of US teams do sign up for each event and then eventually when everyone else signs up you see a long list of withdrawn teams that signed up but just don’t have enough points to get in, including some players I’ve never even heard of. I’m hopeful that whatever new system they use going forward will give more teams an opportunity to compete. But ultimately I think USAV needs to step in here and become more involved in the process. Because at the moment as far as the FIVB is concerned, TKN with zero points isn’t considered any different than two random women off the street who have never played volleyball. Agree. Across the pond site is fantastic. It looks like there have been/are a couple 1 stars with no Americans. Is there anything stopping TKN from getting into those? |
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Post by tamz on Sept 9, 2021 11:40:42 GMT -5
Yeah. 0 FIVB points.
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Post by tamz on Sept 9, 2021 11:42:42 GMT -5
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Post by ajm on Sept 9, 2021 11:44:43 GMT -5
One reason I prefer the acrossthepond site over the FIVB site is that it shows all the teams that have withdrawn from each event. So you can see that a bunch of US teams do sign up for each event and then eventually when everyone else signs up you see a long list of withdrawn teams that signed up but just don’t have enough points to get in, including some players I’ve never even heard of. I’m hopeful that whatever new system they use going forward will give more teams an opportunity to compete. But ultimately I think USAV needs to step in here and become more involved in the process. Because at the moment as far as the FIVB is concerned, TKN with zero points isn’t considered any different than two random women off the street who have never played volleyball. Agree. Across the pond site is fantastic. It looks like there have been/are a couple 1 stars with no Americans. Is there anything stopping TKN from getting into those? Not sure, but I think you still have to have more points than the worst qualifier (from any country). Unless not enough teams sign up to fill the qualifier. |
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Post by moderndaycoach on Sept 9, 2021 11:47:31 GMT -5
April sounds like she is tired of being asked what is next before she can even enjoy what is the pinnacle of athletic achievement. My money is her and Alix running it back for Paris and in the meantime everyone just leaves her alone and let her go do Olympic parade tours and relaxing in whatever way she chooses to unwind. |
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Post by ajm on Sept 9, 2021 11:51:47 GMT -5
Honestly I’m not surprised. They’ve both sent out mixed messages about going for Paris. I guess they really don’t have to decide until the FIVB announces the 2022 schedule and Olympic qualification procedures. But it’ll make it more difficult for the rest of the Americans to form long term partnerships as long as the A Team’s future is in limbo. |
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Post by tamz on Sept 9, 2021 12:39:43 GMT -5
Chris Marlowe shouldn’t have announced the “breaking news” on live broadcast lol
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Post by hbmb10k on Sept 9, 2021 13:26:01 GMT -5
I'm all for the USAV designating the top ranked AVP teams to serve as national teams via some point criteria of their choosing. (Perhaps past year calculation vs 880 days like the have now) But do not let them start picking players based on their subjective opinions like the Germans have done. Such BS. These picks should be decided on the court. You should have seen the god awful picks they have made in past years with the HP A1 team by ignoring athletes win/loss records in national tournaments.
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Post by ajm on Sept 9, 2021 14:00:38 GMT -5
I'm all for the USAV designating the top ranked AVP teams to serve as national teams via some point criteria of their choosing. (Perhaps past year calculation vs 880 days like the have now) But do not let them start picking players based on their subjective opinions like the Germans have done. Such BS. These picks should be decided on the court. You should have seen the god awful picks they have made in past years with the HP A1 team by ignoring athletes win/loss records in national tournaments. Right, just like Karch picking Jordyn Poulter over Lauren Carlini for subjective reasons was a complete disaster...oh wait. |
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Post by pelican on Sept 9, 2021 14:23:36 GMT -5
I think USAV should hold a qualifying tournament about a month before the Olympics. Double-elimination (and true double-elim, not like the current AVP format). Take the top 32 teams for each sex (that way there shouldn't be any complaints about teams missing out) based on USAV rankings points and settle it on the court. (Sadly I don't think this would technically be legal under the current FIVB rules; the players that are sent have to play a certain number of FIVB events and be in the USA's top 12 players on the FIVB rankings.)
I love watching the USA track & field Olympic trials because there is no BS, no politics, just finish top three and you're in. Swimming is basically the same way (except you have to be in the top 2). And all you need before those trials is one qualifying time, not a dozen different results in two-bit tournaments in far-flung countries.
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Post by pelican on Sept 9, 2021 14:26:51 GMT -5
I'm all for the USAV designating the top ranked AVP teams to serve as national teams via some point criteria of their choosing. (Perhaps past year calculation vs 880 days like the have now) But do not let them start picking players based on their subjective opinions like the Germans have done. Such BS. These picks should be decided on the court. You should have seen the god awful picks they have made in past years with the HP A1 team by ignoring athletes win/loss records in national tournaments. Right, just like Karch picking Jordyn Poulter over Lauren Carlini for subjective reasons was a complete disaster...oh wait. The difference is that beach volleyball is an individual sport (you just happen to have a partner). Indoors is a team sport. In a team sport, there's always going to be a subjective element. In an individual sport--golf, tennis, running, etc.--to borrow a quote from Bill Parcells, "you are what your record says you are." |
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Post by 23flavors on Sept 9, 2021 14:39:53 GMT -5
And everyone assumes we get two spots in the Olympics. It’s not guaranteed and the men are gonna have a difficult time getting two teams to qualify. Someone has to go to these tournaments and earn the two US spots. The problem with a qualifying tournament, is that the two best teams may not be the two qualifying teams.
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Post by ajm on Sept 9, 2021 15:47:08 GMT -5
Right, just like Karch picking Jordyn Poulter over Lauren Carlini for subjective reasons was a complete disaster...oh wait. The difference is that beach volleyball is an individual sport (you just happen to have a partner). Indoors is a team sport. In a team sport, there's always going to be a subjective element. In an individual sport--golf, tennis, running, etc.--to borrow a quote from Bill Parcells, "you are what your record says you are." Fair enough, but on one hand people are saying they don’t trust USAV to make subjective decisions on who the best teams are, but then they’re also saying they want USAV to step in and make exceptions to help TKN instead of following the FIVB points system the way all the other teams have been doing. |
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Post by pelican on Sept 9, 2021 16:49:53 GMT -5
The difference is that beach volleyball is an individual sport (you just happen to have a partner). Indoors is a team sport. In a team sport, there's always going to be a subjective element. In an individual sport--golf, tennis, running, etc.--to borrow a quote from Bill Parcells, "you are what your record says you are." Fair enough, but on one hand people are saying they don’t trust USAV to make subjective decisions on who the best teams are, but then they’re also saying they want USAV to step in and make exceptions to help TKN instead of following the FIVB points system the way all the other teams have been doing. I'm a TKN fan, but I don't want them to get any special treatment (aside from maybe a bit of lobbying to get them a WC spot into some FIVB events). The problems here are clearly much more with FIVB's system than anything USAV is doing. To expect players to fly all over the world chasing tiny prize pools to get ranking points is amateurish. |
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Post by burbank55 on Sept 9, 2021 17:10:56 GMT -5
I remember when Hughes and Claes graduated after an even more dominant collegiate career than TKN and plenty of people on VT were giving sage advice on this forum that Hughes and Claes should not continue as a pair and should instead pair up with veterans to advance their skills/knowledge. As Pelican said, Beach should be treated as an individual sport. Circumstances are usually going to force partner switches at some point. Might as well get used to it.
On a collegiate side note, I think that’s one of the reasons why Dain Blanton split up the friend pairings of Scoles-Harward and Kraft-Maple this past season.
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