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Post by ajm on Sept 9, 2021 17:37:05 GMT -5
I remember when Hughes and Claes graduated after an even more dominant collegiate career than TKN and plenty of people on VT were giving sage advice on this forum that Hughes and Claes should not continue as a pair and should instead pair up with veterans to advance their skills/knowledge. As Pelican said, Beach should be treated as an individual sport. Circumstances are usually going to force partner switches at some point. Might as well get used to it. On a collegiate side note, I think that’s one of the reasons why Dain Blanton split up the friend pairings of Scoles-Harward and Kraft-Maple this past season. Are you saying Blanton shouldn’t be allowed to choose the pairings as head coach of USC? How is that any different? |
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Post by dunninla3 on Sept 9, 2021 18:17:51 GMT -5
I am not advocating that USAV select the USA representatives to Paris outside the FIVB points system.
I AM advocating that USAV rank order the USA teams based on results that combine FIVB and AVP tournaments (outside of the FIVB procedure), with a bias toward recency. Then the 6 USA women's teams allowed to ENTER a tournament and wear the USA jersey in FIVB tournaments come from this rank order, not the FIVB's rank order. Teams ranked lower than top 6 USAV list would gain access to enter the FIVB tournaments only if one of the top 6 (by USAV's ranking) declines to enter.
Why should USAV allow only FIVB tournaments to determine the USA's best teams?
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Post by graham on Sept 10, 2021 8:05:51 GMT -5
I am not advocating that USAV select the USA representatives to Paris outside the FIVB points system. I AM advocating that USAV rank order the USA teams based on results that combine FIVB and AVP tournaments (outside of the FIVB procedure), with a bias toward recency. Then the 6 USA women's teams allowed to ENTER a tournament and wear the USA jersey in FIVB tournaments come from this rank order, not the FIVB's rank order. Teams ranked lower than top 6 USAV list would gain access to enter the FIVB tournaments only if one of the top 6 (by USAV's ranking) declines to enter. Why should USAV allow only FIVB tournaments to determine the USA's best teams? I hate to say this, because I think the system needs to change to allow newer/younger teams opportunity, but technically the FIVB is not determining the USA's best teams, the FIVB is simply ranking teams to determine which teams are eligible to enter their tournaments. I think every promoter/league/organizer etc. should have the right to do that without interference from outside parties. Should the AVP allow the the NCAA to influence whether or not college players entering an AVP event get in to the main draw? Now if the FIVB and USAV have some sort of agreement in place, then that's another story. |
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Post by pelican on Sept 10, 2021 8:59:07 GMT -5
I hate to say this, because I think the system needs to change to allow newer/younger teams opportunity, but technically the FIVB is not determining the USA's best teams, the FIVB is simply ranking teams to determine which teams are eligible to enter their tournaments. I think every promoter/league/organizer etc. should have the right to do that without interference from outside parties. Should the AVP allow the the NCAA to influence whether or not college players entering an AVP event get in to the main draw? Now if the FIVB and USAV have some sort of agreement in place, then that's another story. The FIVB should acknowledge that the AVP exists and treat it like the homologated national tours that award FIVB ranking points. (Ideally, the FIVB should also realize that not all countries are equal, and award more points for national tour events in countries that have done better in FIVB events.) That at least gives new teams a chance to start somewhere in the FIVB rankings. It would be nice if the ranking system were more like the world golf rankings, where many different tours are included and the ratings for each event are partly determined by how strong the field is. Surely these AVP events have better fields than some of the 1* or 2* FIVB events. |
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Post by burbank55 on Sept 10, 2021 9:32:33 GMT -5
I remember when Hughes and Claes graduated after an even more dominant collegiate career than TKN and plenty of people on VT were giving sage advice on this forum that Hughes and Claes should not continue as a pair and should instead pair up with veterans to advance their skills/knowledge. As Pelican said, Beach should be treated as an individual sport. Circumstances are usually going to force partner switches at some point. Might as well get used to it. On a collegiate side note, I think that’s one of the reasons why Dain Blanton split up the friend pairings of Scoles-Harward and Kraft-Maple this past season. Are you saying Blanton shouldn’t be allowed to choose the pairings as head coach of USC? How is that any different? My point is that the collegiate coaches should be able to shuffle their players to form the best lineups given the circumstances. They do that by getting players used to breaking out of their comfort zones and learning to play with different partners. Over at UCLA, Stein immediately broke up the Florida pair of Denaburg - Powers because he saw Denaburg had more elite potential and might need to move up to top pair which she did just like Kraft did at USC. |
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Post by graham on Sept 10, 2021 12:21:59 GMT -5
I hate to say this, because I think the system needs to change to allow newer/younger teams opportunity, but technically the FIVB is not determining the USA's best teams, the FIVB is simply ranking teams to determine which teams are eligible to enter their tournaments. I think every promoter/league/organizer etc. should have the right to do that without interference from outside parties. Should the AVP allow the the NCAA to influence whether or not college players entering an AVP event get in to the main draw? Now if the FIVB and USAV have some sort of agreement in place, then that's another story. The FIVB should acknowledge that the AVP exists and treat it like the homologated national tours that award FIVB ranking points. (Ideally, the FIVB should also realize that not all countries are equal, and award more points for national tour events in countries that have done better in FIVB events.) That at least gives new teams a chance to start somewhere in the FIVB rankings. It would be nice if the ranking system were more like the world golf rankings, where many different tours are included and the ratings for each event are partly determined by how strong the field is. Surely these AVP events have better fields than some of the 1* or 2* FIVB events. The FIVB does recognize national tours and award points, however, from my understanding there are three sticking points: 1. The national tour has to be affiliated with the recognized national governing body i.e. AVP and USAV would have to closely work together. 2. The other requirements/restrictions the FIVB has in place effectively relegate the national tour to being a "minor league" to the FIVB, which the AVP does not want to do 3. Most importantly, the points the FIVB awards to teams for winning a national tour event are so low that it doesn't make a difference. I think a player earns 20 points (40 for the team) for winning. |
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Post by beavis on Sept 10, 2021 19:56:42 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing - this is a kajillion times better than the hard to navigate FIVB site!!! |
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Post by tamz on Sept 13, 2021 7:57:53 GMT -5
easyreadernews.com/medals-in-the-sand-in-hermosa-manhattan-redondo/Not sure how trustworthy this article is or when it was written, because Alix said they’re not committed to Paris yet and this ceremony happened before the MBO. But ‘Slays’ (Slaes) intends to stick together for Paris 2024. And they only think about it possibly being them instead of ATeam winning Tokyo gold a couple dozen/hundred of times a day 😂
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Post by KAP on Sept 15, 2021 11:11:18 GMT -5
easyreadernews.com/medals-in-the-sand-in-hermosa-manhattan-redondo/Not sure how trustworthy this article is or when it was written, because Alix said they’re not committed to Paris yet and this ceremony happened before the MBO. But ‘Slays’ (Slaes) intends to stick together for Paris 2024. And they only think about it possibly being them instead of ATeam winning Tokyo gold a couple dozen/hundred of times a day 😂 I am not surprised at all that Slaes is planning on sticking together. My only question would be if they stay with Jordan Cheng or get a new coach. I didn’t see Jordan in their box in Chicago. He was a big part of their Olympic run, but I could see them wanting a new perspective going into next year. |
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Post by ajm on Sept 15, 2021 13:52:43 GMT -5
easyreadernews.com/medals-in-the-sand-in-hermosa-manhattan-redondo/Not sure how trustworthy this article is or when it was written, because Alix said they’re not committed to Paris yet and this ceremony happened before the MBO. But ‘Slays’ (Slaes) intends to stick together for Paris 2024. And they only think about it possibly being them instead of ATeam winning Tokyo gold a couple dozen/hundred of times a day 😂 I am not surprised at all that Slaes is planning on sticking together. My only question would be if they stay with Jordan Cheng or get a new coach. I didn’t see Jordan in their box in Chicago. He was a big part of their Olympic run, but I could see them wanting a new perspective going into next year. Agreed. Since Jordan wasn’t with them in Chicago we can probably assume he’s no longer coaching them. Despite what they say now, I wouldn’t bet my house that they stay together. Where there’s smoke, there’s fire. A lot can happen before next season, so I’ll believe they’re staying together when I see them playing together in 2022. |
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Post by tamz on Sept 15, 2021 13:54:51 GMT -5
I am not surprised at all that Slaes is planning on sticking together. My only question would be if they stay with Jordan Cheng or get a new coach. I didn’t see Jordan in their box in Chicago. He was a big part of their Olympic run, but I could see them wanting a new perspective going into next year. Agreed. Since Jordan wasn’t with them in Chicago we can probably assume he’s no longer coaching them. Despite what they say now, I wouldn’t bet my house that they stay together. Where there’s smoke, there’s fire. A lot can happen before next season, so I’ll believe they’re staying together when I see them playing together in 2022. Was he there in Atlanta? I could also read it as he had other priorities for that one weekend that just so happened to be the weekend of Chicago. I guess time will tell and when they play in Italy in a few weeks for WTF. |
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Post by beavis on Sept 15, 2021 21:54:34 GMT -5
Can someone please share why there have been rumblings about Claes/Sponcil possibly splitting up? I am surprised that a team which, since the end of May, has had a pretty awesome run of 2 1st's, a 2nd, a 3rd, a 7th and 2 9th's would be considering such a move - thanks!
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Post by COVAlove on Sept 15, 2021 23:07:11 GMT -5
Can someone please share why there have been rumblings about Claes/Sponcil possibly splitting up? I am surprised that a team which, since the end of May, has had a pretty awesome run of 2 1st's, a 2nd, a 3rd, a 7th and 2 9th's would be considering such a move - thanks! I’ve followed this team closely on and off the court in the last year and I don’t see anything to it. They literally act like best friends off the court and seem to have a blast together. Cheng seemed to drive this narrative about needing more from each other emotionally or attitude wise on the court but I think that was some failed new age zen BS. Stylistically they are perfectly matched and they had some great results together to prove their ceiling. Now they just have to develop the consistency. Some claim that they saw tension between them in matches but I’ve watched this team closely and I didn’t see it. |
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Post by beavis on Sept 16, 2021 4:07:16 GMT -5
Agreed COVAlove! We saw them in several matches in both Manhattan Beach and Chicago, and although I'm sure they felt like they did not achieve the results that they wanted in Chicago (mostly because Kelly looked simply gassed and it really took the wind out of their sails when Sara/Brandi came back against them like they did), they seemed like their normal selves when they were together on and off the court. Don't know much about their coach, other than he should have been screaming at them to stop serving Sara in that particular match. With those results and winning two tournaments and taking a 2nd and 3rd during this most recent stretch, I can't think of a single team, besides April/Alix, who would not gladly trade places with such an awesome 3 month run. You are also right about their consistency. I get that Kelly's over on 2 is a great weapon, but I also think that if she does it too often and too early, it keeps Sarah from getting into a good sideout groove. I sure hope that they continue to improve and stay together!
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Post by wisco on Sept 16, 2021 8:47:46 GMT -5
Agreed with both of you. Zero chance Kelly dumps Sarah because who would be an upgrade from Sarah for Kelly outside of April? I don't think Kelly/April games/personalities match well either. Only reason Sarah would/should leave is if Alix comes calling and I don't see that coming either. Also not sure how well their games match up that well. Alix not hand setting would put a lot of pressure on Sarah siding out which is her biggest weakness.
I personally think the best match up would be Sarah/Kloth as I think Sarah is better then Nuss and Kloth is better (maybe now) long term for Paris Olympics. I think Sarah does everything Nuss can do but is slightly better. Kloth to me has the on 2 game potential that Kelly does and is much bigger blocker and better server. I don't think Kloth/Nuss will break up before Paris but that would be my dream team.
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