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Post by northwoods on Sept 25, 2021 8:14:30 GMT -5
Uh oh.. well done Maryland! There goes Wisconsin’s top 4 seed. I guess this is just down to coaching - sorry Badger fans. But when you have Rettke, Loberg, Hilley plus arguably the best trio of back row players in the nation (Barnes, Civita and the Iowa transfer) you don’t lose to a team like Maryland. Faced with an injury to a starting middle blocker and 1 week to prepare for conference play Sheffield decides to…….re-shuffle the stellar back row by taking the L-jersey off his Sr. All-American; bench his senior OH and put a huge load on a Freshman OH coming off injury; and starting another freshman who is #4 on the depth chart…..When the primary focus should have been working out the blocking and getting the Freshman middle comfortable alongside what was a pretty stable line-up. Seeds of the Maryland loss were sown the weekend before by over coaching & messing with things that weren’t broke. |
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Post by SportyBucky on Sept 25, 2021 8:45:21 GMT -5
Uh oh.. well done Maryland! There goes Wisconsin’s top 4 seed. I guess this is just down to coaching - sorry Badger fans. But when you have Rettke, Loberg, Hilley plus arguably the best trio of back row players in the nation (Barnes, Civita and the Iowa transfer) you don’t lose to a team like Maryland. Faced with an injury to a starting middle blocker and 1 week to prepare for conference play Sheffield decides to…….re-shuffle the stellar back row by taking the L-jersey off his Sr. All-American; bench his senior OH and put a huge load on a Freshman OH coming off injury; and starting another freshman who is #4 on the depth chart…..When the primary focus should have been working out the blocking and getting the Freshman middle comfortable alongside what was a pretty stable line-up. Seeds of the Maryland loss were sown the weekend before by over coaching & messing with things that weren’t broke. This is silly. Playing with his lineup the week before was a result of an injury. Regardless, nothing wrong with moving things around. I'd rather have players on the bench prepared than doe-eyed when they have to go in. That said, it was a train wreck. Demps should have seen the court. Loberg will never be able to see the block or court. Our passing needs to be better. |
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Post by redcard🏐 on Sept 25, 2021 10:33:59 GMT -5
Missed this game but stat that stood out the most, beside the final score, was Robinson hitting negative for the night. Was she getting blocked or hitting the ball out?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2021 10:36:09 GMT -5
Does getting blocked make you go negative? Or only hitting out/antenna or hitting into the net?
I don't think getting blocked "should" count the same as an error, just a great effort by the other player. Should just be like a hit that gets defended and thus doesn't result in a kill.
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Post by azsker on Sept 25, 2021 10:41:16 GMT -5
I am not sure I can stand watching a replay but I guess I have to because I can't fathom how the team with maybe the best side-out weapon in college volleyball couldn't side out for the last 7 points. exactly. Not only that, down 10-11 they set her 3 times and she didn’t put the ball away. You could see it in her face at each huddle from 10-10 on that she had that worry. Congrats to the Terps. This is absolutely unreal. Can’t believe Baird and Pritchard’s thoughts…ha |
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Post by nellynel on Sept 25, 2021 10:43:02 GMT -5
Good game by Maryland. The most impressive thing to me was the shot selection. They played smart, hitting seams, around the block and off the block. Wisconsin seemed like they felt they could just come out and overpower Maryland, which they couldn’t consistently. Wisc service errors and hitting errors took there toll not really allowing any chances to go on huge runs in 3 of the 5 sets.
I thought there were 16 teams with legit shots to make a final 4, that didn’t include Maryland. If they can keep that level of play up they could make a push.
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Post by azsker on Sept 25, 2021 10:45:12 GMT -5
Does getting blocked make you go negative? Or only hitting out/antenna or hitting into the net? I don't think getting blocked "should" count the same as an error, just a great effort by the other player. Should just be like a hit that gets defended and thus doesn't result in a kill. it does-but I agree with you completely. It essentially says it’s all hitters fault with no credit to blocker…the stat does. Obviously the spectator can see who has a big block. That’s just my opinion |
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Post by gibbyb1 on Sept 25, 2021 10:49:05 GMT -5
Does getting blocked make you go negative? Or only hitting out/antenna or hitting into the net? I don't think getting blocked "should" count the same as an error, just a great effort by the other player. Should just be like a hit that gets defended and thus doesn't result in a kill. No |
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Post by donut on Sept 25, 2021 10:55:49 GMT -5
Does getting blocked make you go negative? Or only hitting out/antenna or hitting into the net? I don't think getting blocked "should" count the same as an error, just a great effort by the other player. Should just be like a hit that gets defended and thus doesn't result in a kill. it does-but I agree with you completely. It essentially says it’s all hitters fault with no credit to blocker…the stat does. Obviously the spectator can see who has a big block. That’s just my opinion No credit to the blocker? What? The blocker gets a BS or BA for a block. |
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Post by donut on Sept 25, 2021 10:56:32 GMT -5
Uh oh.. well done Maryland! There goes Wisconsin’s top 4 seed. I guess this is just down to coaching - sorry Badger fans. But when you have Rettke, Loberg, Hilley plus arguably the best trio of back row players in the nation (Barnes, Civita and the Iowa transfer) you don’t lose to a team like Maryland. If Wisconsin steamrolls the B1G again, I think they can still get a top 4 seed. |
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Post by azsker on Sept 25, 2021 11:15:14 GMT -5
it does-but I agree with you completely. It essentially says it’s all hitters fault with no credit to blocker…the stat does. Obviously the spectator can see who has a big block. That’s just my opinion No credit to the blocker? What? The blocker gets a BS or BA for a block. no obviously I understand that. I mean, by taking the negative hit on the % just as an out of bounds hit or hit in to the net, the % hit of the same for a block which isn’t giving the blocker credit in that regard. I’m fully aware they receive a BA or BS |
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Post by donut on Sept 25, 2021 11:32:07 GMT -5
No credit to the blocker? What? The blocker gets a BS or BA for a block. no obviously I understand that. I mean, by taking the negative hit on the % just as an out of bounds hit or hit in to the net, the % hit of the same for a block which isn’t giving the blocker credit in that regard. I’m fully aware they receive a BA or BS I think you're misframing the stat though. The purpose of the stat is to measure the efficiency of a hitter. If a hitter takes a swing at a ball, and it results in a point for the other team, that was not an efficient swing. If a player hits .100, good coaches afterwards can say "bad hitting percentage, but she was constantly lined up against their strongest blocker, she got mostly OOS sets, the sets were too tight, etc." Your thinking is also going to create a slippery slope. We "reward" aces to players for silly receiving errors, balls that trickle over, etc., and inversely, we "reward" good passes to players who got lollipop served. Should we change that too? |
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Post by gibbyb1 on Sept 25, 2021 11:36:44 GMT -5
no obviously I understand that. I mean, by taking the negative hit on the % just as an out of bounds hit or hit in to the net, the % hit of the same for a block which isn’t giving the blocker credit in that regard. I’m fully aware they receive a BA or BS I think you're misframing the stat though. The purpose of the stat is to measure the efficiency of a hitter. If a hitter takes a swing at a ball, and it results in a point for the other team, that was not an efficient swing. If a player hits .100, good coaches afterwards can say "bad hitting percentage, but she was constantly lined up against their strongest blocker, she got mostly OOS sets, the sets were too tight, etc." Your thinking is also going to create a slippery slope. We "reward" aces to players for silly receiving errors, balls that trickle over, etc., and inversely, we "reward" good passes to players who got lollipop served. Should we change that too? The exception to the stat, is the trap set ball that the attacker is going to be blocked regardless of what they do with it. |
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Post by robtearle on Sept 25, 2021 11:52:07 GMT -5
I think you're misframing the stat though. The purpose of the stat is to measure the efficiency of a hitter. If a hitter takes a swing at a ball, and it results in a point for the other team, that was not an efficient swing. If a player hits .100, good coaches afterwards can say "bad hitting percentage, but she was constantly lined up against their strongest blocker, she got mostly OOS sets, the sets were too tight, etc." Your thinking is also going to create a slippery slope. We "reward" aces to players for silly receiving errors, balls that trickle over, etc., and inversely, we "reward" good passes to players who got lollipop served. Should we change that too? The exception to the stat, is the trap set ball that the attacker is going to be blocked regardless of what they do with it. It is the job of the hitter to recognize that and try to tip over or bounce the ball off the block in an attempt to keep the point alive. If you realize you're not going to get the kill, don't try to get the kill, try to keep the point alive. |
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Post by badgerbreath on Sept 25, 2021 12:08:26 GMT -5
I had to leave this match halfway through the second, but I was not impressed with the badgers display up till then.
You aren't going to win many matches posting a -11 in the service game while the other team posts a +3. Fourteen points right there and a free sideout 17 times. Hard to get a rhythm.
And Maryland had 25 blocks? Granted, the badgers are playing 3 freshman, but that's ridiculous. And the badgers appear to have lost 8 straight points to end the fifth? With Dana in as well? Not good.
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