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Post by donut on Sept 25, 2021 12:10:19 GMT -5
I think you're misframing the stat though. The purpose of the stat is to measure the efficiency of a hitter. If a hitter takes a swing at a ball, and it results in a point for the other team, that was not an efficient swing. If a player hits .100, good coaches afterwards can say "bad hitting percentage, but she was constantly lined up against their strongest blocker, she got mostly OOS sets, the sets were too tight, etc." Your thinking is also going to create a slippery slope. We "reward" aces to players for silly receiving errors, balls that trickle over, etc., and inversely, we "reward" good passes to players who got lollipop served. Should we change that too? The exception to the stat, is the trap set ball that the attacker is going to be blocked regardless of what they do with it. I don't know what you mean by "exception to the stat." Every stat should be looked at in context. |
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Post by c4ndlelight on Sept 25, 2021 12:15:18 GMT -5
It's not beyond the pale to consider blocked balls a different type of hitting error. In Italy, for example, they track them separately, and some stat systems used to only use "unforced" errors in calculating hitting efficiency.
There's something to be said for a ball that could be covered and whose outcome depends on what the other team is doing (in blocking - do you have Take%*$#a or Gamova across from you, etc.) versus an error that is much more directly on the hitter.
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Post by robtearle on Sept 25, 2021 12:15:23 GMT -5
I had to leave this match halfway through the second, but I was not impressed with the badgers display up till then. You aren't going to win many matches posting a -11 in the service game while the other team posts a +3. Fourteen points right there and a free sideout 17 times. Hard to get a rhythm. And Maryland had 25 blocks? Granted, the badgers are playing 3 freshman, but that's ridiculous. And the badgers appear to have lost 8 straight points to end the fifth? With Dana in as well? Not good. Typo? It was bad, but it wasn't that bad; 15 blocks, not 25. |
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Post by hammer on Sept 25, 2021 12:35:59 GMT -5
For Maryland, time to move on to the next match -- wait, screw that -- let's keep the party rolling ...  |
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Post by Draco_MN on Sept 25, 2021 12:42:13 GMT -5
Uh oh.. well done Maryland! There goes Wisconsin’s top 4 seed. I guess this is just down to coaching - sorry Badger fans. But when you have Rettke, Loberg, Hilley plus arguably the best trio of back row players in the nation (Barnes, Civita and the Iowa transfer) you don’t lose to a team like Maryland. Faced with an injury to a starting middle blocker and 1 week to prepare for conference play Sheffield decides to…….re-shuffle the stellar back row by taking the L-jersey off his Sr. All-American; bench his senior OH and put a huge load on a Freshman OH coming off injury; and starting another freshman who is #4 on the depth chart…..When the primary focus should have been working out the blocking and getting the Freshman middle comfortable alongside what was a pretty stable line-up. Seeds of the Maryland loss were sown the weekend before by over coaching & messing with things that weren’t broke. wait Barnes didn’t play libero? |
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Post by robtearle on Sept 25, 2021 12:52:40 GMT -5
Faced with an injury to a starting middle blocker and 1 week to prepare for conference play Sheffield decides to…….re-shuffle the stellar back row by taking the L-jersey off his Sr. All-American; bench his senior OH and put a huge load on a Freshman OH coming off injury; and starting another freshman who is #4 on the depth chart…..When the primary focus should have been working out the blocking and getting the Freshman middle comfortable alongside what was a pretty stable line-up. Seeds of the Maryland loss were sown the weekend before by over coaching & messing with things that weren’t broke. wait Barnes didn’t play libero? Against Northern Illinois last Saturday, Civita was libero and Barnes was DS. So Civita was in serve receive in six rotations instead of three and Barnes three instead of six. Earthshattering! |
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Post by badgerbreath on Sept 25, 2021 12:52:56 GMT -5
I had to leave this match halfway through the second, but I was not impressed with the badgers display up till then. You aren't going to win many matches posting a -11 in the service game while the other team posts a +3. Fourteen points right there and a free sideout 17 times. Hard to get a rhythm. And Maryland had 25 blocks? Granted, the badgers are playing 3 freshman, but that's ridiculous. And the badgers appear to have lost 8 straight points to end the fifth? With Dana in as well? Not good. Typo? It was bad, but it wasn't that bad; 15 blocks, not 25. I was reading the live stats, and they said 25 because they added up the BAs and the SBs. |
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Post by robtearle on Sept 25, 2021 12:56:38 GMT -5
Typo? It was bad, but it wasn't that bad; 15 blocks, not 25. I was reading the live stats, and they said 25 because they added up the BAs and the SBs. A block assist is a half-block. So 20 BAs means ten balls blocked. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2021 12:59:26 GMT -5
wait Barnes didn’t play libero? Against Northern Illinois last Saturday, Civita was libero and Barnes was DS. So Civita was in serve receive in six rotations instead of three and Barnes three instead of six. Earthshattering! So Sheffield lost the Maryland match last week? …lol…that’s REALLY bad coaching! |
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Post by robtearle on Sept 25, 2021 13:03:51 GMT -5
Against Northern Illinois last Saturday, Civita was libero and Barnes was DS. So Civita was in serve receive in six rotations instead of three and Barnes three instead of six. Earthshattering! So Sheffield lost the Maryland match last week? …lol…that’s REALLY bad coaching! The decision to start Jardine yesterday was questionable. Otherwise it was just a bad, bad night. |
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Post by badgerbill on Sept 25, 2021 13:06:02 GMT -5
Badgers had 3 freshman on the floor yesterday, and Robinson (also a freshman based on COVID19 Bonus eligibility) playing 1st BT road game in front of an opposing team's crowd, if we put this match in proper perspective, a five-game loss ia not really a bad thing
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Post by robtearle on Sept 25, 2021 13:09:35 GMT -5
Badgers had 3 freshman on the floor yesterday, and Robinson (also a freshman based on COVID19 Bonus eligibility) playing 1st BT road game in front of an opposing team's crowd, if we put this match in proper perspective, a five-game loss ia not really a bad thing No, it was a really bad thing. They played really badly. If they only play somewhat badly, they win in four. If they play just average, it's a sweep. They played really badly. |
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Post by badgerbill on Sept 25, 2021 13:24:44 GMT -5
I don't think it was very bad...lol
The last 8 points of match were terrible, and the 17 service errors were despicable. Hilley had 67 assists and Badgers had over 70 kills. If we would have been swept, then I would truly consider it has a terrible loss .
Who am I trying to fool? it really did suck.
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Post by comet on Sept 25, 2021 13:32:15 GMT -5
Badgers had 3 freshman on the floor yesterday, and Robinson (also a freshman based on COVID19 Bonus eligibility) playing 1st BT road game in front of an opposing team's crowd, if we put this match in proper perspective, a five-game loss ia not really a bad thing I disagree with that reasoning. In the 5th set, they were leading 10-7 and then they couldn't get another point.Maryland went on a 8-0 run. That is the most concerning to me. There was only one freshman on the floor in the 5th set when they couldn't score, the rest were veterans (Robinson played last season). However, I'm sure they'll bounce back. |
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Post by azsker on Sept 25, 2021 13:35:30 GMT -5
no obviously I understand that. I mean, by taking the negative hit on the % just as an out of bounds hit or hit in to the net, the % hit of the same for a block which isn’t giving the blocker credit in that regard. I’m fully aware they receive a BA or BS I think you're misframing the stat though. The purpose of the stat is to measure the efficiency of a hitter. If a hitter takes a swing at a ball, and it results in a point for the other team, that was not an efficient swing. If a player hits .100, good coaches afterwards can say "bad hitting percentage, but she was constantly lined up against their strongest blocker, she got mostly OOS sets, the sets were too tight, etc." Your thinking is also going to create a slippery slope. We "reward" aces to players for silly receiving errors, balls that trickle over, etc., and inversely, we "reward" good passes to players who got lollipop served. Should we change that too? I’m not saying we have to change anything, nor would I support that. I was just stating my OPINION. Technically it was you who went down a slippery slope.. |
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