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Post by donut on Sept 28, 2021 23:01:07 GMT -5
This is a bad assumption and you should do research. Are you saying that the people in the picture were in their legal right to come across in the manner they were attempting to? Idk what you mean by “legal right” here. Crossing the border without permission does not mean you cannot be “properly processed” (a weird phrase in this context).
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Sept 28, 2021 23:31:28 GMT -5
Are you saying that the people in the picture were in their legal right to come across in the manner they were attempting to? Idk what you mean by “legal right” here. Crossing the border without permission does not mean you cannot be “properly processed” (a weird phrase in this context). I’ve never heard of being able to enter a country and then deciding you want to live there and just being able to stay. I was under the impression that you need a visa for an extended stay. I don’t know if things are different if you’re seeking asylum (I imagine they must be) but I’m unclear as to what that procedure is.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Sept 29, 2021 2:40:49 GMT -5
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Sept 29, 2021 6:57:09 GMT -5
Bars from a Grant of Asylum You could be barred from a grant of asylum if we find that you: Ordered, incited, assisted, or otherwise participated in the persecution of any person on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion Were convicted of a “particularly serious crime” such that you are a danger to the United States Committed a “serious nonpolitical crime” outside the United States Pose a danger to the security of the United States Have been firmly resettled in another country before arriving in the United StatesI not sure if that last one applies in this situation. I'm not looking for loopholes, I'm trying to figure out what 'rationale' the administration and border patrol used for the stance and actions that they have taken.
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Post by mervinswerved on Sept 29, 2021 7:16:40 GMT -5
Bars from a Grant of Asylum You could be barred from a grant of asylum if we find that you: Ordered, incited, assisted, or otherwise participated in the persecution of any person on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion Were convicted of a “particularly serious crime” such that you are a danger to the United States Committed a “serious nonpolitical crime” outside the United States Pose a danger to the security of the United States Have been firmly resettled in another country before arriving in the United StatesI not sure if that last one applies in this situation. I'm not looking for loopholes, I'm trying to figure out what 'rationale' the administration and border patrol used for the stance and actions that they have taken. These people have not been resettled anywhere.
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Post by donut on Sept 29, 2021 8:01:57 GMT -5
Idk what you mean by “legal right” here. Crossing the border without permission does not mean you cannot be “properly processed” (a weird phrase in this context). I’ve never heard of being able to enter a country and then deciding you want to live there and just being able to stay. Holy strawman. Ahem, maybe then do some research?
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Post by donut on Sept 29, 2021 8:02:47 GMT -5
Bars from a Grant of Asylum You could be barred from a grant of asylum if we find that you: Ordered, incited, assisted, or otherwise participated in the persecution of any person on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion Were convicted of a “particularly serious crime” such that you are a danger to the United States Committed a “serious nonpolitical crime” outside the United States Pose a danger to the security of the United States Have been firmly resettled in another country before arriving in the United StatesI not sure if that last one applies in this situation. I'm not looking for loopholes, I'm trying to figure out what 'rationale' the administration and border patrol used for the stance and actions that they have taken. So you’re admittedly taking blind shots in the dark to support your preexisting biases?
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Sept 29, 2021 9:22:49 GMT -5
Bars from a Grant of Asylum You could be barred from a grant of asylum if we find that you: Ordered, incited, assisted, or otherwise participated in the persecution of any person on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion Were convicted of a “particularly serious crime” such that you are a danger to the United States Committed a “serious nonpolitical crime” outside the United States Pose a danger to the security of the United States Have been firmly resettled in another country before arriving in the United StatesI not sure if that last one applies in this situation. I'm not looking for loopholes, I'm trying to figure out what 'rationale' the administration and border patrol used for the stance and actions that they have taken. These people have not been resettled anywhere. Not true. Many of them have been living in parts of South and Central America for years before migrating northward. Again I'm asking aloud why are they being turned back and sometimes flown back if they are well within their rights to come across?
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Sept 29, 2021 9:28:28 GMT -5
Bars from a Grant of Asylum You could be barred from a grant of asylum if we find that you: Ordered, incited, assisted, or otherwise participated in the persecution of any person on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion Were convicted of a “particularly serious crime” such that you are a danger to the United States Committed a “serious nonpolitical crime” outside the United States Pose a danger to the security of the United States Have been firmly resettled in another country before arriving in the United StatesI not sure if that last one applies in this situation. I'm not looking for loopholes, I'm trying to figure out what 'rationale' the administration and border patrol used for the stance and actions that they have taken. So you’re admittedly taking blind shots in the dark to support your preexisting biases? My so called preexisting bias is somewhat based on my personal past experience. I was not allowed to move here merely because I wanted to. There was a process I had to go through and it consisted of more than coming across and declaring Asylum. There are rules connected with emigrating that have to be followed. I'm saying I don't know if those rules apply in the circumstances of the Haitians currently camped out under a bridge.
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Post by mervinswerved on Sept 29, 2021 9:32:25 GMT -5
Not true. Many of them have been living in parts of South and Central America for years before migrating northward. That isn't refugee resettlement. Resettlement involves permanent legal residence. Because the Biden Administration is breaking international and (probably) US law by terrorizing them at the border and deporting thousands of them.
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Post by donut on Sept 29, 2021 10:04:15 GMT -5
These people have not been resettled anywhere. Not true. Many of them have been living in parts of South and Central America for years before migrating northward. Again I'm asking aloud why are they being turned back and sometimes flown back if they are well within their rights to come across? You did it again. Blind shot, in the dark, this time defining "resettlement," based on your preexisting bias that these people shouldn't be allowed in the country.
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Post by donut on Sept 29, 2021 10:06:36 GMT -5
So you’re admittedly taking blind shots in the dark to support your preexisting biases? My so called preexisting bias is somewhat based on my personal past experience. I was not allowed to move here merely because I wanted to. There was a process I had to go through and it consisted of more than coming across and declaring Asylum. There are rules connected with emigrating that have to be followed. I'm saying I don't know if those rules apply in the circumstances of the Haitians currently camped out under a bridge.And I'm saying, for the third time, do your research. And yes, I agree with you: your experience immigrating from Canada does not give you that much insight into seeking asylum from Haiti.
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Sept 29, 2021 10:23:05 GMT -5
Not true. Many of them have been living in parts of South and Central America for years before migrating northward. Again I'm asking aloud why are they being turned back and sometimes flown back if they are well within their rights to come across? You did it again. Blind shot, in the dark, this time defining "resettlement," based on your preexisting bias that these people shouldn't be allowed in the country. Actually my blindshot is based on the reaction by the government turning people away. I have ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM with people who are seeking asylum getting asylum. It's been done in the past and this is just another wave of people trying to make a new life. I didn't think that I've said anything to the contrary. My problem is when people enter the country by illegal means.
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Post by donut on Sept 29, 2021 10:29:24 GMT -5
You did it again. Blind shot, in the dark, this time defining "resettlement," based on your preexisting bias that these people shouldn't be allowed in the country. Actually my blindshot is based on the reaction by the government turning people away. Because you... trust the government so much? That seems to be entirely against other views you've expressed on this forum. But you haven't really said anything at all? You've mishandled asylum law and processes, I guess now abandoned your "proper processing" stance, and are now hanging your hat on "don't enter the country by 'illegal means,'" when entering the country without permission isn't a bar to seeking asylum!
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Sept 29, 2021 10:31:07 GMT -5
Because the Biden Administration is breaking international and (probably) US law by terrorizing them at the border and deporting thousands of them. I'm sure his party will hold him accountable.
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