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Post by baytree on Nov 22, 2023 11:17:38 GMT -5
Thanks. I couldn't remember the year. For some reason, I thought it was 2033. I agree that buying out six years would probably be too costly.
Even with this new NBC contract, they're already leaving a few million on the table. But that's peanuts if this keeps their donors happy. I think that their donors value independence. That can always change, esp if the $$ difference between joining a conference and remaining independent is large enough. But as long as they get good viewership numbers, a large difference is unlikely IMO. In addition to the contractual issues, I still have not seen any evidence that Notre Dame has any interest in joining the Big Ten. I completely agree with this. I've seen no evidence that they want to join any conference for football and quite a bit of evidence that they don't. Independence works well for them. IMO it's still a good idea for them to remain flexible bc the landscape will continue to change and it's always a good idea to position yourself well for important future negotiations.
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Post by bbg95 on Nov 22, 2023 11:39:56 GMT -5
In addition to the contractual issues, I still have not seen any evidence that Notre Dame has any interest in joining the Big Ten. I completely agree with this. I've seen no evidence that they want to join any conference for football and quite a bit of evidence that they don't. Independence works well for them. IMO it's still a good idea for them to remain flexible bc the landscape will continue to change and it's always a good idea to position yourself well for important future negotiations.
I 100% agree that maintaining flexibility is very wise for Notre Dame. Their last deal was 10 years, which caused them to fall behind a bit, though not nearly to the degree that the ACC has with its 20-year deal. They went with five years this time, which should put them in a good position.
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Post by vballfreak808 on Nov 28, 2023 16:42:09 GMT -5
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Post by bbg95 on Nov 28, 2023 17:55:17 GMT -5
I forgot to post this earlier. Delaware is moving up to FBS.
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Post by n00b on Nov 29, 2023 15:26:14 GMT -5
I don't think there is a conference I would less want to be a part of than Conference USA. The travel is absolutely brutal and the schools don't have the budgets to charter flights. Jacksonville, Alabama Lynchburg, Virginia Ruston, Louisiana Las Cruces, New Mexico Huntsville, Texas Bowling Green, Kentucky Newark, Delaware Kennesaw, Georgia Yuck.
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Post by n00b on Dec 22, 2023 13:32:51 GMT -5
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Post by bluepenquin on Dec 22, 2023 13:50:43 GMT -5
I don't see either the SEC or Big Ten taking Florida State unless FSU takes some % share of full money. I don't know what the SEC could possibly gain from adding Florida State. Maybe the Big Ten would offer them a deal similar to Washington/Oregon?
Where they are now offers the easiest path to the college playoffs with the new 12 team format. I believe the ACC restructured the revenue to make any CFP money go mostly to the school that actually goes.
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Post by n00b on Dec 22, 2023 13:54:18 GMT -5
I don't see either the SEC or Big Ten taking Florida State unless FSU takes some % share of full money. I don't know what the SEC could possibly gain from adding Florida State. Maybe the Big Ten would offer them a deal similar to Washington/Oregon? Where they are now offers the easiest path to the college playoffs with the new 12 team format. I believe the ACC restructured the revenue to make any CFP money go mostly to the school that actually goes. I don't agree at all. Florida State (and Clemson) in the conference adds several nationally high profile games each year. It solidifies those two conferences as the only two that matter.
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Post by bluepenquin on Dec 22, 2023 14:01:24 GMT -5
I don't see either the SEC or Big Ten taking Florida State unless FSU takes some % share of full money. I don't know what the SEC could possibly gain from adding Florida State. Maybe the Big Ten would offer them a deal similar to Washington/Oregon? Where they are now offers the easiest path to the college playoffs with the new 12 team format. I believe the ACC restructured the revenue to make any CFP money go mostly to the school that actually goes. I don't agree at all. Florida State (and Clemson) in the conference adds several nationally high profile games each year. It solidifies those two conferences as the only two that matter. Does it add viewers to the SEC package? They would have to bring in a ton of money to make it worth it. And not sure the SEC would want or need the extra competition that may come from Florida State. Certainly - I wouldn't think Florida would want this. This - opposed to Texas that is bringing in a ton of $ value to the SEC. As for the Big Ten - I think they would have more interest. It would expand their footprint - and get them into the state of Florida for recruiting. I just don't know if that they would bring in the $'s that USC is going to bring in - and that they would be more similar to Washington/Oregon.
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Post by baytree on Dec 22, 2023 14:01:52 GMT -5
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Post by bbg95 on Dec 22, 2023 19:29:38 GMT -5
I don't know what the SEC could possibly gain from adding Florida State. You mean, other than their three national championships in the last 30 years and top ~10 brand?
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Post by volleyguy on Dec 22, 2023 19:35:41 GMT -5
I don't know what the SEC could possibly gain from adding Florida State. You mean, other than their three national championships in the last 30 years and top ~10 brand? FSU as a Top 10 brand is entirely debatable.
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Post by chibadgerfan on Dec 22, 2023 19:40:46 GMT -5
Earlier in the thread, some ppl were suggesting that Notre Dame would leave the ACC to join the B1G in the near future.
Could they join the B1G for football only, with the other sports joining in 2023 (or whenever the ACC agreement ends)? If the B1G offered enough, they could buy their way out of the ACC contract. There would only be a few years left and I doubt it would involve that much money since it's for all the sports except football. Or they could negotiate a short contract w NBC that ends in 2023 (or whenever the ACC contract ends), then go to the B1G. I'm sure the B1G would hold a spot open for them. ETA: I think they'll remain independent in football as long as possible. But this contract does give them flexibility IMO. It may also give them more leverage with NBC.
Their agreement with the ACC states if they join a conference before 2036 it must be the ACC. As long as that's in place, it isn't happening. Notre Dame values its independence for a lot of reasons and those reasons are enough for them to leave TV money on the table. If FSU breaks out of the ACC, then all bets will be off and Notre Dame will be able to get out too (if they would want).
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Post by mervinswerved on Dec 22, 2023 19:48:05 GMT -5
Their agreement with the ACC states if they join a conference before 2036 it must be the ACC. As long as that's in place, it isn't happening. Notre Dame values its independence for a lot of reasons and those reasons are enough for them to leave TV money on the table. If FSU breaks out of the ACC, then all bets will be off and Notre Dame will be able to get out too (if they would want). Well, yes. That's an awfully big of, though.
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Post by mervinswerved on Dec 22, 2023 19:51:38 GMT -5
You mean, other than their three national championships in the last 30 years and top ~10 brand? FSU as a Top 10 brand is entirely debatable. Very much so. Speaking just from the sponsorship and multimedia rights side, I seriously doubt they're a top 20 brand. That's not everything, though and FSU is certainly around the top of the list for the best of what's left.
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