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Post by kurtinatlanta on Dec 23, 2023 13:16:35 GMT -5
Beware the unintended consequences: Florida State wins their lawsuit and it invalidates the media deals everywhere, allowing ESPN and Fox to renegotiate DOWN their current obligations. Everyone ends up with less TV money and FSU becomes the most hated school (by athletic directors and conference commissioners) in the country.
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Post by volleyguy on Dec 23, 2023 13:44:39 GMT -5
It’s just not clear that FSU has any legal leg to stand on to invalidate the contract. Anti-trust doesn’t apply because they’re not suing the NCAA, and a conference has competitors. Fraud will be difficult to prove since there’s no evidence and the contract has been in effect for years. Being an obnoxious, miserable and unhappy neighbor or family member doesn’t seem like a winning strategy either, so there’s not much left.
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Post by horns1 on Dec 23, 2023 14:09:54 GMT -5
I don't know what the SEC could possibly gain from adding Florida State. You mean, other than their three national championships in the last 30 years and top ~10 brand? Yet, Jimbo Fisher left FSU after having won a national championship for Texas A&M. Enough said.
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Post by jeepers on Dec 23, 2023 14:13:50 GMT -5
Beware the unintended consequences: Florida State wins their lawsuit and it invalidates the media deals everywhere, allowing ESPN and Fox to renegotiate DOWN their current obligations. Everyone ends up with less TV money and FSU becomes the most hated school (by athletic directors and conference commissioners) in the country. meh, burn it all down
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Post by bluepenquin on Dec 23, 2023 15:07:06 GMT -5
It’s just not clear that FSU has any legal leg to stand on to invalidate the contract. Anti-trust doesn’t apply because they’re not suing the NCAA, and a conference has competitors. Fraud will be difficult to prove since there’s no evidence and the contract has been in effect for years. Being an obnoxious, miserable and unhappy neighbor or family member doesn’t seem like a winning strategy either, so there’s not much left. Briefly reading the summary of the FSU claim - they aren't contesting the contract not being binding, but that the ACC hasn't lived up to their end of the bargain. That seems like an impossible case to win. I think the only way out is some negotiated settlement - which seems unlikely from the ACC.
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Post by bluepenquin on Dec 23, 2023 15:12:52 GMT -5
I don't know what the SEC could possibly gain from adding Florida State. You mean, other than their three national championships in the last 30 years and top ~10 brand? According to Dennis Dodd - neither the Big Ten nor the SEC has any interest in Florida State as a full revenue sharing member. Now - it is possible that they are saying this since there isn't something imminent - but Dodd's sources seem to be saying there is no real landing spot for Florida State right now. My take from this information from Dodd - Florida State doesn't bring in enough money for ESPN/FOX, etc... to increase the revenue per school. That to add them - it would have to be something similar to Washington/Oregon's deal with the B1G. In addition, there is reporting that w/o extra money - no one in the SEC wants to give Florida State any oxygen (extra money) to compete with. They agreed to the extra competition from Texas/Oklahoma because they are increasing the per school value of the conference.
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Post by azsker on Dec 23, 2023 15:20:36 GMT -5
I don't see either the SEC or Big Ten taking Florida State unless FSU takes some % share of full money. I don't know what the SEC could possibly gain from adding Florida State. Maybe the Big Ten would offer them a deal similar to Washington/Oregon? Where they are now offers the easiest path to the college playoffs with the new 12 team format. I believe the ACC restructured the revenue to make any CFP money go mostly to the school that actually goes. if FSU can get out of the ACC, then other schools will attempt to as well. I just don’t see the B1G taking anyone except UNC and Virginia. Both of those schools just fit that conference.
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Post by Boof1224 on Dec 23, 2023 15:24:57 GMT -5
You mean, other than their three national championships in the last 30 years and top ~10 brand? According to Dennis Dodd - neither the Big Ten nor the SEC has any interest in Florida State as a full revenue sharing member. Now - it is possible that they are saying this since there isn't something imminent - but Dodd's sources seem to be saying there is no real landing spot for Florida State right now. My take from this information from Dodd - Florida State doesn't bring in enough money for ESPN/FOX, etc... to increase the revenue per school. That to add them - it would have to be something similar to Washington/Oregon's deal with the B1G. In addition, there is reporting that w/o extra money - no one in the SEC wants to give Florida State any oxygen (extra money) to compete with. They agreed to the extra competition from Texas/Oklahoma because they are increasing the per school value of the conference. If you don’t think fox wants that Florida market your crazy. Neither conference can really say anything until Florida state is out of ACC. Disney is a sinking ship. Florida state should want nothing to do with anything connected to them. The BIG and fox def want Florida state. The sec doesn’t really want them. They would just take them to block the BIG and fox from Florida market
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Post by bluepenquin on Dec 23, 2023 15:26:53 GMT -5
I don't see either the SEC or Big Ten taking Florida State unless FSU takes some % share of full money. I don't know what the SEC could possibly gain from adding Florida State. Maybe the Big Ten would offer them a deal similar to Washington/Oregon? Where they are now offers the easiest path to the college playoffs with the new 12 team format. I believe the ACC restructured the revenue to make any CFP money go mostly to the school that actually goes. if FSU can get out of the ACC, then other schools will attempt to as well. I just don’t see the B1G taking anyone except UNC and Virginia. Both of those schools just fit that conference. I don't know how big the Big Ten wants to get - but I can see getting access to Florida (recruiting and TV markets) would have some real value to the B1G football programs. Something that doesn't add to the SEC.
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Post by bluepenquin on Dec 23, 2023 15:29:38 GMT -5
According to Dennis Dodd - neither the Big Ten nor the SEC has any interest in Florida State as a full revenue sharing member. Now - it is possible that they are saying this since there isn't something imminent - but Dodd's sources seem to be saying there is no real landing spot for Florida State right now. My take from this information from Dodd - Florida State doesn't bring in enough money for ESPN/FOX, etc... to increase the revenue per school. That to add them - it would have to be something similar to Washington/Oregon's deal with the B1G. In addition, there is reporting that w/o extra money - no one in the SEC wants to give Florida State any oxygen (extra money) to compete with. They agreed to the extra competition from Texas/Oklahoma because they are increasing the per school value of the conference. If you don’t think fox wants that Florida market your crazy. Neither conference can really say anything until Florida state is out of ACC. Disney is a sinking ship. Florida state should want nothing to do with anything connected to them. The BIG and fox def want Florida state. The sec doesn’t really want them. They would just take them to block the BIG and fox from Florida market Other than the Disney comments - I think this seems correct. The SEC motive here many only be to block the B1G.
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Post by Boof1224 on Dec 23, 2023 15:30:28 GMT -5
I don't see either the SEC or Big Ten taking Florida State unless FSU takes some % share of full money. I don't know what the SEC could possibly gain from adding Florida State. Maybe the Big Ten would offer them a deal similar to Washington/Oregon? Where they are now offers the easiest path to the college playoffs with the new 12 team format. I believe the ACC restructured the revenue to make any CFP money go mostly to the school that actually goes. if FSU can get out of the ACC, then other schools will attempt to as well. I just don’t see the B1G taking anyone except UNC and Virginia. Both of those schools just fit that conference. The BIG will 100% without question take Florida state. I think the next two schools would be UNC and virgina that they want. Notre Dame is its own situation that has nothing to do with that. If notre dame is forced to join BIg ( cause I think they will stay independent as long as the possibly can ) it’s almost a guarantee Stanford is comming with them.
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Post by Boof1224 on Dec 23, 2023 15:32:43 GMT -5
If you don’t think fox wants that Florida market your crazy. Neither conference can really say anything until Florida state is out of ACC. Disney is a sinking ship. Florida state should want nothing to do with anything connected to them. The BIG and fox def want Florida state. The sec doesn’t really want them. They would just take them to block the BIG and fox from Florida market Other than the Disney comments - I think this seems correct. The SEC motive here many only be to block the B1G. People from many fanbases in the BIG seem to all be hearing the same things from their schools and it’s that BIG wants Florida state. I think UNC and virgina are next best fits and that’s it. ND has a place any time they decide they want in to conference and I’m almost sure if they do Stanford will come with them
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Post by mervinswerved on Dec 23, 2023 16:19:15 GMT -5
FOX already has the Florida market. They're a national broadcast company in every household. The last round of realignment was about getting conference networks into new markets. This one is about putting together the best possible matchups between big brands to attract a national audience.
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Post by Boof1224 on Dec 23, 2023 16:24:05 GMT -5
FOX already has the Florida market. They're a national broadcast company in every household. The last round of realignment was about getting conference networks into new markets. This one is about putting together the best possible matchups between big brands to attract a national audience. Hey we will see what happens but I have heard nothing about any interest from BIG in Clemson. Obviously the BIG themselves cannot confirm anything while teams are part of another conference but there is a ton of chatter everywhere and you tend to hear the same things. Excluding ND for the moment cause they arnt even in conference in football, Florida state and UNC seem to be the two consistants the BIG wants. After that thing get a little scattered. But I’ve heard virgina Miami and Georgia tech more then I’ve heard things about Clemson
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Post by bbg95 on Dec 23, 2023 17:14:47 GMT -5
You mean, other than their three national championships in the last 30 years and top ~10 brand? According to Dennis Dodd - neither the Big Ten nor the SEC has any interest in Florida State as a full revenue sharing member. Now - it is possible that they are saying this since there isn't something imminent - but Dodd's sources seem to be saying there is no real landing spot for Florida State right now. My take from this information from Dodd - Florida State doesn't bring in enough money for ESPN/FOX, etc... to increase the revenue per school. That to add them - it would have to be something similar to Washington/Oregon's deal with the B1G. In addition, there is reporting that w/o extra money - no one in the SEC wants to give Florida State any oxygen (extra money) to compete with. They agreed to the extra competition from Texas/Oklahoma because they are increasing the per school value of the conference. I'm not making any predictions, but you said you can't figure out what the SEC would get in Florida State. I'm saying it's pretty obvious. I don't know that Dennis Dodd is the be-all end-all when it comes to conference realignment. But it's probably a moot point given the ACC grant of rights. Either way, Florida State would not be challenging the grant of rights if it didn't think it could move up. Otherwise, they may as well just stay in the ACC. Even playoff access isn't as much of a concern going forward because it's a 12-team playoff, so the situation this year will never happen again. So that makes me think that they likely have some back channel assurances from the SEC, the Big Ten or both that they'll have a place if they can figure a way out of the ACC.
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