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Post by HawaiiVB on Oct 15, 2024 16:33:18 GMT -5
Honestly, Hawai'i loves the Big West because it's one state. But without FBS football, they were on an island... stranded. I understand the economics of the Big West canceling football, but in this day and age, the conference will wither without football. Maybe. Or maybe not. Plenty of conferences have done just fine with no football. Football is very expensive for schools, and only pays out if they are in one of the elite football conferences. And the number of such conferences keeps shrinking. The place a school does not want to be is having to pay for a football program but not getting the big TV payouts that support it. Better to have no football than to be in that intermediate limbo. From the rest of the nation's perspective, only football matters to the ESPN's. Sorry, but it's true. |
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Post by raian13 on Oct 15, 2024 17:21:11 GMT -5
Hawaii moving to a new conference is good. They have been stuck with the Big West for too long.
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Oct 15, 2024 18:22:17 GMT -5
Wonder if Hawaii can stay affiliate members for the other sports like men’s volleyball, beach etc Why would they want you guys? lol well for one thing ... hawaii-based sponsors have stepped in in recent years to sponsor the men's (and more recently women's) conference tournaments for volleyball ... lol ... that will probably need to get sorted out ...   |
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Post by beachgrad on Oct 15, 2024 19:13:23 GMT -5
Some of the best Hawaii programs maybe staying in the Big West: men's volleyball, beach volleyball, and women's water polo. The only program that is going that I will miss is women's volleyball.
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Post by mplsgopher on Oct 19, 2024 20:51:50 GMT -5
This is the entirety of it. Money, as always. I'm sure the bill for flying Wyoming track&field team out to the Islands for one meet, will definitely be worth it. For most individual sports, changing conferences creates relatively limited change. Other than, you know, massive amounts of travel for not just Hawaii but all the other schools in the conference. |
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Post by mplsgopher on Oct 19, 2024 20:54:55 GMT -5
You realize this was the norm for Hawaii in the old WAC for decades The conference that failed and was broken in half when the good teams left to form the Mountain West, in no small part in order to get away from having to travel to places like Hawaii and Texas. |
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Post by Brutus Buckeye on Oct 19, 2024 21:00:47 GMT -5
USC blew up the PAC 12 so that they could make bank losing football games @maryland and @minnesota.
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Post by mplsgopher on Oct 19, 2024 21:11:55 GMT -5
USC blew up the PAC 12 so that they could make bank losing football games @maryland and @minnesota. Except that the PAC was perfectly fine and ready to keep rolling, until Oregon blew the conference up with its backstabbing lies.
Curse upon them. They shall not win a conference championship in any sport for the next 20 years.
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Post by stevehorn on Oct 20, 2024 9:04:35 GMT -5
For most individual sports, changing conferences creates relatively limited change. Other than, you know, massive amounts of travel for not just Hawaii but all the other schools in the conference. It's obvious that you didn't bother to read the first few words of the sentence. My post is about individual sports like track and field (which was the subject of your post that I referenced) and not team sports. In most individual sports like track and field, the only conference competition is the conference meet or tournament. The remainder of the regular season schedules in most of those sports could be referred to as "non-conference" and thus the typical schedule does not have to change when the school changes conferences. |
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Post by mplsgopher on Oct 26, 2024 9:10:45 GMT -5
In most individual sports like track and field, the only conference competition is the conference meet or tournament. This is patently false. Both of these show travel to multiple sites of other conference teams. Entirely irrelevant if they count for a "standings" or not. Completely beside the actual point. gophersports.com/sports/womens-track-and-field/schedule
Indeed, clearly it is either strongly encouraged or just plainly the common practice, to schedule meets at/against schools in your conference.
While I agree in the specific example of T&F that Hawaii would never host a meet (which defeats the point of even having a team, other than to satisfy minimum sports requirements of the NCAA ... which is clearly what is being done .... probably import all their runners from California), travel for Hawaii is still part of the issue.
Money prevailed, and it was as simple as that. The MWC said they would not have to pay any travel subsidy. The other conference teams just took a huge L, for that decision.
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Post by Brutus Buckeye on Oct 26, 2024 9:28:37 GMT -5
Honestly, Hawai'i loves the Big West because it's one state. But without FBS football, they were on an island... stranded. I understand the economics of the Big West canceling football, but in this day and age, the conference will wither without football. Half the Cali Football schools in the Big West cut football, and the other half moved up to the WAC, so the Big West football conference was down to a bunch of football only members that weren't in California, include several schools from the Mississippi River states. So in 2001 the Sunbelt started sponsoring that football conference instead of the Big West, since they actually had a couple of members that participated in it.   |
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Post by stevehorn on Oct 26, 2024 9:46:28 GMT -5
In most individual sports like track and field, the only conference competition is the conference meet or tournament. This is patently false. Both of these show travel to multiple sites of other conference teams. Entirely irrelevant if they count for a "standings" or not. Completely beside the actual point. gophersports.com/sports/womens-track-and-field/schedule
Indeed, clearly it is either strongly encouraged or just plainly the common practice, to schedule meets at/against schools in your conference.
While I agree in the specific example of T&F that Hawaii would never host a meet (which defeats the point of even having a team, other than to satisfy minimum sports requirements of the NCAA ... which is clearly what is being done .... probably import all their runners from California), travel for Hawaii is still part of the issue.
Money prevailed, and it was as simple as that. The MWC said they would not have to pay any travel subsidy. The other conference teams just took a huge L, for that decision.
What a misleading post. Looking at the schedule proves my point. Three meets to other conference schools for non-conference meets. Numerous more meets to locations in the south and southwest. Other than the conference meets (indoor and outdoor), they had no other conference competitions. All others are elective on which ones they participate in and how much they wish to travel. |
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Post by HawaiiVB on Oct 26, 2024 15:09:54 GMT -5
Honestly, Hawai'i loves the Big West because it's one state. But without FBS football, they were on an island... stranded. I understand the economics of the Big West canceling football, but in this day and age, the conference will wither without football. Half the Cali Football schools in the Big West cut football, and the other half moved up to the WAC, so the Big West football conference was down to a bunch of football only members that weren't in California, include several schools from the Mississippi River states. So in 2001 the Sunbelt started sponsoring that football conference instead of the Big West, since they actually had a couple of members that participated in it. This was informative. I understand the pressure these institutions were and still are under when it comes to budgets. It’s the bane of most mid-majors and below. The question is what will these institutions do when the future is spelling out how to be part of the “haves” and the need to be relevant if they want to not only compete but stay afloat. |
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Post by HawaiiVB on Oct 26, 2024 15:12:12 GMT -5
Half the Cali Football schools in the Big West cut football, and the other half moved up to the WAC, so the Big West football conference was down to a bunch of football only members that weren't in California, include several schools from the Mississippi River states. So in 2001 the Sunbelt started sponsoring that football conference instead of the Big West, since they actually had a couple of members that participated in it. This was informative. I understand the pressure these institutions were and still are under when it comes to budgets. It’s the bane of most mid-majors and below. The question is what will these institutions do when the future is spelling out how to be part of the “haves” and the need to be relevant if they want to not only compete but stay afloat. According to some pundits, GCU has been offered a non-football path to the MWC. While I’m not a fan of the history of GCU, if it becomes reality, you will see the WAC crumble. |
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Post by n00b on Oct 26, 2024 15:21:16 GMT -5
In most individual sports like track and field, the only conference competition is the conference meet or tournament. This is patently false. Both of these show travel to multiple sites of other conference teams. Entirely irrelevant if they count for a "standings" or not. Completely beside the actual point. gophersports.com/sports/womens-track-and-field/scheduleIndeed, clearly it is either strongly encouraged or just plainly the common practice, to schedule meets at/against schools in your conference. While I agree in the specific example of T&F that Hawaii would never host a meet (which defeats the point of even having a team, other than to satisfy minimum sports requirements of the NCAA ... which is clearly what is being done .... probably import all their runners from California), travel for Hawaii is still part of the issue. Money prevailed, and it was as simple as that. The MWC said they would not have to pay any travel subsidy. The other conference teams just took a huge L, for that decision.
It’s common practice to schedule regional meets against like competition. That will often end up being opponents from the same conference. But it’s not “encouraged”. USC cross country has zero meets at other Big Ten schools this fall. |
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