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Post by bbg95 on Oct 26, 2024 15:34:31 GMT -5
This is patently false. Both of these show travel to multiple sites of other conference teams. Entirely irrelevant if they count for a "standings" or not. Completely beside the actual point. gophersports.com/sports/womens-track-and-field/scheduleIndeed, clearly it is either strongly encouraged or just plainly the common practice, to schedule meets at/against schools in your conference. While I agree in the specific example of T&F that Hawaii would never host a meet (which defeats the point of even having a team, other than to satisfy minimum sports requirements of the NCAA ... which is clearly what is being done .... probably import all their runners from California), travel for Hawaii is still part of the issue. Money prevailed, and it was as simple as that. The MWC said they would not have to pay any travel subsidy. The other conference teams just took a huge L, for that decision.
It’s common practice to schedule regional meets against like competition. That will often end up being opponents from the same conference. But it’s not “encouraged”. USC cross country has zero meets at other Big Ten schools this fall. USC is maybe not the best example to cite for cross country. I don't remember them ever being good at it, as they focus their track and field scholarships elsewhere. They're not even ranked in the top 15 of their region (West) in the poll that just came out, and I don't think they've been in the top 15 all season. They also don't have a men's team at all. Anyway, if they were serious about cross country and were actually pretty good, it's very likely that they would go to Wisconsin. They host a big meet every year called Nuttycombe that usually rivals pre-nationals as the biggest regular season meet of the year. In 2024, Wisconsin is also hosting nationals, so they had a watered-down Nuttycombe and then a loaded pre-nationals meet on different weekends. |
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Post by n00b on Oct 26, 2024 15:57:14 GMT -5
It’s common practice to schedule regional meets against like competition. That will often end up being opponents from the same conference. But it’s not “encouraged”. USC cross country has zero meets at other Big Ten schools this fall. USC is maybe not the best example to cite for cross country. I don't remember them ever being good at it, as they focus their track and field scholarships elsewhere. They're not even ranked in the top 15 of their region (West) in the poll that just came out, and I don't think they've been in the top 15 all season. They also don't have a men's team at all. Anyway, if they were serious about cross country and were actually pretty good, it's very likely that they would go to Wisconsin. They host a big meet every year called Nuttycombe that usually rivals pre-nationals as the biggest regular season meet of the year. In 2024, Wisconsin is also hosting nationals, so they had a watered-down Nuttycombe and then a loaded pre-nationals meet on different weekends. But that’s exactly my point. If a program’s budget and competitive goals warrant it, they’ll make the trip. USC volleyball chose to make a non-conference trip to Omaha. But if their budget and competitive goals don’t justify making a cross-county trip, they don’t have to. The only required major trip is the single conference championship meet. |
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Post by bbg95 on Oct 26, 2024 16:03:32 GMT -5
USC is maybe not the best example to cite for cross country. I don't remember them ever being good at it, as they focus their track and field scholarships elsewhere. They're not even ranked in the top 15 of their region (West) in the poll that just came out, and I don't think they've been in the top 15 all season. They also don't have a men's team at all. Anyway, if they were serious about cross country and were actually pretty good, it's very likely that they would go to Wisconsin. They host a big meet every year called Nuttycombe that usually rivals pre-nationals as the biggest regular season meet of the year. In 2024, Wisconsin is also hosting nationals, so they had a watered-down Nuttycombe and then a loaded pre-nationals meet on different weekends. But that’s exactly my point. If a program’s budget and competitive goals warrant it, they’ll make the trip. USC volleyball chose to make a non-conference trip to Omaha. But if their budget and competitive goals don’t justify making a cross-county trip, they don’t have to. The only required major trip is the single conference championship meet. Okay, fair enough. I agree. I think they would go to regionals too, but that's closer than Wisconsin. This year, it's hosted by Washington State. |
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Post by stevehorn on Oct 26, 2024 16:22:35 GMT -5
But that’s exactly my point. If a program’s budget and competitive goals warrant it, they’ll make the trip. USC volleyball chose to make a non-conference trip to Omaha. But if their budget and competitive goals don’t justify making a cross-county trip, they don’t have to. The only required major trip is the single conference championship meet. Okay, fair enough. I agree. I think they would go to regionals too, but that's closer than Wisconsin. This year, it's hosted by Washington State. Yes, they would go to regionals if eligible but the discussion was centered around the regular season. |
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Post by mplsgopher on Oct 28, 2024 21:26:38 GMT -5
Three meets to other conference schools for non-conference meets. That proves my point! "Elective" or not, most teams schedule against other schools in their conference. That would be Hawaii, now. |
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Post by stevehorn on Oct 29, 2024 11:29:04 GMT -5
Three meets to other conference schools for non-conference meets. That proves my point! "Elective" or not, most teams schedule against other schools in their conference. That would be Hawaii, now. It doesn't prove your point. If we narrow down to the outdoor season, Minnesota women's team had no meets at another conference location other than the conference championship. All but one meet were in the south or west. Even if a meet is at another school in the same conference, you aren't scheduling "against" other teams in the conference at most major meets because the field of teams is typically from a number of conferences. |
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Post by bbg95 on Oct 29, 2024 15:23:00 GMT -5
That proves my point! "Elective" or not, most teams schedule against other schools in their conference. That would be Hawaii, now. It doesn't prove your point. If we narrow down to the outdoor season, Minnesota women's team had no meets at another conference location other than the conference championship. All but one meet were in the south or west. Even if a meet is at another school in the same conference, you aren't scheduling "against" other teams in the conference at most major meets because the field of teams is typically from a number of conferences. Their description of track meets is so bizarre. It's like they think conference members have dual meets with each other all season. |
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Post by bbg95 on Oct 29, 2024 15:24:30 GMT -5
Okay, fair enough. I agree. I think they would go to regionals too, but that's closer than Wisconsin. This year, it's hosted by Washington State. Yes, they would go to regionals if eligible but the discussion was centered around the regular season. Fair enough. I usually classify the conference meet as part of the postseason rather than the regular season. I view conference championship games and tournaments that way in sports like football and basketball, so I do the same with track/cross country meets, but I guess it's semantics. |
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Post by stevehorn on Oct 29, 2024 15:58:38 GMT -5
Yes, they would go to regionals if eligible but the discussion was centered around the regular season. Fair enough. I usually classify the conference meet as part of the postseason rather than the regular season. I view conference championship games and tournaments that way in sports like football and basketball, so I do the same with track/cross country meets, but I guess it's semantics. No big deal. I only made my post to help clarify my previous statement. |
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Post by stevehorn on Oct 29, 2024 16:00:42 GMT -5
It doesn't prove your point. If we narrow down to the outdoor season, Minnesota women's team had no meets at another conference location other than the conference championship. All but one meet were in the south or west. Even if a meet is at another school in the same conference, you aren't scheduling "against" other teams in the conference at most major meets because the field of teams is typically from a number of conferences. Their description of track meets is so bizarre. It's like they think conference members have duel meets with each other all season. Tends to demonstrate a lack of knowledge in the sport. |
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Post by vballfreak808 on Nov 1, 2024 14:09:33 GMT -5
GCU no longer joining the WCC, moving to the Mountain West
“GCU will join the Mountain West no later than July 1, 2026, but possibly as early as the second quarter of 2025 if permitted under the conference's bylaws.“
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Post by bayarea on Nov 1, 2024 14:11:14 GMT -5
SOUTH SAN FRANCISCO, Calif. – West Coast Conference Commissioner Stu Jackson has issued the following statement on conference membership.
“We have been notified by Grand Canyon University of its decision to withdraw as a member of the West Coast Conference. We are disappointed with its decision to seek conference membership elsewhere just months after completing its membership agreement with the WCC that would have enhanced its national profile. The WCC views GCU’s decision as a missed opportunity to be part of one of the premier conferences in men’s basketball. The WCC is a perennial multi-bid league with a rich history that includes multiple national champions, six Final Four appearances and countless deep runs in the NCAA Men’s Basketball Championship. The WCC Presidents’ Council will continue to evaluate the current landscape of Division I athletics, move forward ambitiously in examining expansion and alliance opportunities that position the WCC for NCAA success; pursue meaningful scheduling opportunities for all members; and generate national exposure for the Conference through expansive broadcast visibility to which it has become accustomed.”
This leaves the WCC with the much weaker Seattle University, rather than the pair of GCU/Seattle. I wonder if the WCC will be looking for a replacement school, if any are left at this stage.
Losing Gonzaga and GCU definitely is a huge blow to the conference in basketball.
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Post by bbg95 on Nov 1, 2024 14:30:20 GMT -5
This leaves the WCC with the much weaker Seattle University, rather than the pair of GCU/Seattle. I wonder if the WCC will be looking for a replacement school, if any are left at this stage. Losing Gonzaga and GCU definitely is a huge blow to the conference in basketball. Seems like Cal Baptist and Denver are the only realistic options. They have nine, so they don't really have to add anyone. |
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Post by bbg95 on Nov 1, 2024 14:38:32 GMT -5
I'm curious if Grand Canyon is thinking about adding football someday. The Mountain West is likely a better basketball conference than the new WCC would have been after Gonzaga's departure, so maybe it's just about that. But they will be an outlier if they're the only non-football member.
Edit: The Mountain West is also moving its headquarters to Las Vegas from Colorado Springs. That makes sense. More centrally located, easier to fly into, etc.
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Post by HawaiiVB on Nov 1, 2024 15:47:00 GMT -5
I'm curious if Grand Canyon is thinking about adding football someday. The Mountain West is likely a better basketball conference than the new WCC would have been after Gonzaga's departure, so maybe it's just about that. But they will be an outlier if they're the only non-football member. Edit: The Mountain West is also moving its headquarters to Las Vegas from Colorado Springs. That makes sense. More centrally located, easier to fly into, etc. The MWC has sent notice of interest to NIU (Northern Illinois) and Toledo, of the MAC conference for football only. Toledo is in the East Coast time zone, so they are probably less interested. But NIU is in the Central time zone and is interested in the MWC. If they jump, then GCU would be non-football and everything else MWC. MWC also offered Texas St. but they have declined for now if Toledo decides to join the MWC, they would have five time zones covered, which is appealing to TV and betting. |
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