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Post by noblesol on Nov 14, 2022 17:07:03 GMT -5
if we win the last 4. do we have a chance at the ncaa? If,... CAL POLY wins the last four matches they will need to take a 100 RPI down to 55. Pretty hard to do. Winning out and going 16-4 in conference best scenario. Having two wins over UH and none against UCSB. UH needs to lose to POLY, UCSB & UCI. UCSB probably would win the conference and be the only team into NCAA. CP must win the AQ to be in the tournament. Their RPI and other criteria will be too weak to get them even close to the selection bubble. The CP AQ 'best chance' path requires that Cal Poly win out and, UCSB defeat Hawai'i but lose all its other remaining matches and, that Hawai'i lose to CP and UCSB and to either CSUB or CSUN. Given that CP plays CSUB tomorrow, and UCSB plays UCD on Thursday, a CP loss to CSUB or a win by UCSB on Thursday could close out the CP AQ path before Friday. |
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Post by raian13 on Nov 14, 2022 17:52:08 GMT -5
if we win the last 4. do we have a chance at the ncaa? If,... CAL POLY wins the last four matches they will need to take a 100 RPI down to 55. Pretty hard to do. Winning out and going 16-4 in conference best scenario. Having two wins over UH and none against UCSB. UH needs to lose to POLY, UCSB & UCI. UCSB probably would win the conference and be the only team into NCAA. UH already beat UCI last week. |
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Post by Kangaroo on Nov 14, 2022 19:39:04 GMT -5
Congrats to Maia and Emme for their awards this week!
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Post by jackson5vb on Nov 15, 2022 9:27:28 GMT -5
if we win the last 4. do we have a chance at the ncaa? If,... CAL POLY wins the last four matches they will need to take a 100 RPI down to 55. Pretty hard to do. Winning out and going 16-4 in conference best scenario. Having two wins over UH and none against UCSB. UH needs to lose to POLY, UCSB & UCI. UCSB probably would win the conference and be the only team into NCAA. That terrible start doomed us before we even started BW play. grrrr |
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Post by jake on Nov 15, 2022 13:06:44 GMT -5
If,... CAL POLY wins the last four matches they will need to take a 100 RPI down to 55. Pretty hard to do. Winning out and going 16-4 in conference best scenario. Having two wins over UH and none against UCSB. UH needs to lose to POLY, UCSB & UCI. UCSB probably would win the conference and be the only team into NCAA. That terrible start doomed us before we even started BW play. grrrr This is the second season in a row that CAL POLY has been plagued with player injuries from day one. And those injuries have been to key players. Coaches that believe the NC schedule is solely used to prepare for conference are really fooling themselves. The quest to earn a bid to the postseason starts with that first match of the NC schedule. The RPI does not make allowances for injured players nor does it recognize a team's improvement. POLY's coach Walters as well as all BWC coaches need to accept that fact! |
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Post by jackson5vb on Nov 15, 2022 14:09:54 GMT -5
That terrible start doomed us before we even started BW play. grrrr This is the second season in a row that CAL POLY has been plagued with player injuries from day one. And those injuries have been to key players. Coaches that believe the NC schedule is solely used to prepare for conference are really fooling themselves. The quest to earn a bid to the postseason starts with that first match of the NC schedule. The RPI does not make allowances for injured players nor does it recognize a team's improvement. POLY's coach Walters as well as all BWC coaches need to accept that fact! This!! BW teams can get multiple at large bids. We are among the best conferences in the country. We just don't give ourselves enough credit. |
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Post by jaypak on Nov 15, 2022 14:54:43 GMT -5
Would a 4-team conference tournament help BW teams by:
1) providing the chance for a bid thief to "steal" an additional bid
2) providing another high-quality game at the end of the season for RPI
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Post by HawaiiVB on Nov 15, 2022 15:33:17 GMT -5
This is the second season in a row that CAL POLY has been plagued with player injuries from day one. And those injuries have been to key players. Coaches that believe the NC schedule is solely used to prepare for conference are really fooling themselves. The quest to earn a bid to the postseason starts with that first match of the NC schedule. The RPI does not make allowances for injured players nor does it recognize a team's improvement. POLY's coach Walters as well as all BWC coaches need to accept that fact! This!! BW teams can get multiple at large bids. We are among the best conferences in the country. We just don't give ourselves enough credit. I'll make this as plain as I can. If you been around long enough, you can see the changes to the D1 system and recognize the outcomes versus any intentions that may have been intended. Back before the use of the criteria at present mainly (RPI), there was a tool called the regional rankings. D2 and maybe D3 still uses it I think. But anyway, with this regional ranking, the idea was to indicate what were the teams that deserved a post tourney spot. It gathered conferences geographically and ranked them based on w-l record, not sure if it was just in-conference w-l or total w-l records. Basically you had the Pac-12 (10), WCC, BW divided by area as did the rest of the country. Back then, you could see what your team needed to do in order to climb up the rankings. And when the season was over, the top teams in each regional ranking were given a spot. It didn't matter what conference you came from, because the idea was that there were some teams in each conference that were that strong. This was before the formation of the power Five, and there was no given bonus for teams you played in certain conferences nor were there bonuses to teams just because they were in certain conferences. The influence by football money was not a thing. Most schools could get away with inferior resources and still make it far towards the championship. The negative was that the West coast regions were a bloodbath, because really good teams would beat each other up for the same spot while weaker regions had cakewalk paths to a regional. So that was a one reason they moved the criteria to something else. But back then, the Big West was a big deal conference. Pacific, Long Beach, Hawai'i were a big deal. Each won multiple titles. And UCSB and Cal Poly were always nipping at the heels. Some young ones don't even know about the epic battles the Big West won, it's too bad. Did the regional ranking made it fairer to me, yes in some ways, but ultimately the growth of the sport called for a new way to rank the teams, not sure if the current way is fairer. Maybe there should be two championships the power five, and the mid's. More schools would get the chance to experience post season play. |
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Post by jake on Nov 15, 2022 17:03:50 GMT -5
The BWC (the coaches) just need to adapt better to the RPI format.
Rules to Follow:
1) all returning players need to stay in shape during the offseason.
2) come back in the fall ready to play.
3) play teams early in the NC schedule that you can handle well.
4) have a 2:1 or better winning NC record at the start conference play.
I think a BWC tournament is a good idea.
Realize UH has some logistic issues.
We can't do any worst then now.
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Post by brooselee on Nov 15, 2022 17:26:57 GMT -5
What a conference tournament will do is force teams to continue to play hard and work toward the tournament. Without a tournament, teams who are out of the title chase really have nothing to play for. Thus, those teams might be experimenting for next season, playing around with lineups or just playing out the year without any purpose.
A tournament can also be a boon for a team who lost a star player or two and will get them back in time for a tournament run.
Money is an issue for a BW tournament since the BW don’t have any and the conference teams don’t draw fans. The tournament will probably be a net loss….unless it’s played in Hawaii.
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Post by jake on Nov 15, 2022 18:42:08 GMT -5
If,...the top four teams at the end of conference play make up the postseason tournament participants than let home court be given
to the 1st place team.
At least they will be given first-right-of refusal.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Nov 15, 2022 18:57:49 GMT -5
The BWC (the coaches) just need to adapt better to the RPI format. Rules to Follow: 1) all returning players need to stay in shape during the offseason. 2) come back in the fall ready to play. 3) play teams early in the NC schedule that you can handle well. 4) have a 2:1 or better winning NC record at the start conference play. I think a BWC tournament is a good idea. Realize UH has some logistic issues. We can't do any worst then now. I think each school should determine if they want their players to return in shape from the off-season. |
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Post by jake on Nov 15, 2022 23:19:06 GMT -5
Well,...it wasn't exactly pretty but CAL POLY got its 16th conference victory.
Playing sparingly was Amy Hiatt,...one set.
Avalon DeNecochea was used only in a serving role.
Next up on Friday the Wahine.
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Post by volleyguy on Nov 15, 2022 23:22:44 GMT -5
The BWC (the coaches) just need to adapt better to the RPI format. Rules to Follow: 1) all returning players need to stay in shape during the offseason. 2) come back in the fall ready to play. 3) play teams early in the NC schedule that you can handle well. 4) have a 2:1 or better winning NC record at the start conference play. I think a BWC tournament is a good idea. Realize UH has some logistic issues. We can't do any worst then now. I think each school should determine if they want their players to return in shape from the off-season. Let them eat cake! |
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Post by noblesol on Nov 16, 2022 4:14:56 GMT -5
Should UCSB defeat UCD on Thursday, the last CP AQ path remaining is: CP win out and, UCSB lose its last three to UCR, CSUN, and Hawai'i and, Hawai'i lose to CP, CSUB, and CSUN.
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