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Post by avid 2.0 on Mar 1, 2022 10:35:27 GMT -5
oh USAV.... always late to the game
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Post by Disc808 on Mar 1, 2022 10:43:33 GMT -5
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rstclaire1
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Post by rstclaire1 on Mar 3, 2022 12:27:09 GMT -5
With all the craziness in the volleyball world with the Russian invasion of Ukraine, we spent some time on last night's 9x9 getting all the info in one place. It's a pretty concise summary of timeline, federation statements, national federation and player reactions, the bans that were handed out on Tuesday, and the latest effect on CEV and FIVB tournaments. Also there was some real volleyball that happened this week, which we talked about too of course |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Mar 3, 2022 12:36:26 GMT -5
I don't see any Russian team competing in any international events for the forseeable future. Russian sports are DOA for now,
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Post by heavenkit on Mar 4, 2022 3:10:21 GMT -5
I don't see any Russian team competing in any international events for the forseeable future. Russian sports are DOA for now, They are even pushing to ban all Russian players to play to any European clubs |
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Post by akbar on Mar 4, 2022 7:35:43 GMT -5
I don't see any Russian team competing in any international events for the forseeable future. Russian sports are DOA for now, They are even pushing to ban all Russian players to play to any European clubs They should No excuse for Russia.....No Exceptions. |
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Post by Volleyfan024 on Mar 4, 2022 11:10:05 GMT -5
I don't see any Russian team competing in any international events for the forseeable future. Russian sports are DOA for now, They are even pushing to ban all Russian players to play to any European clubs Good! They should. Even as Russian athletes speak out world wide against this, they should be banned from competing outside of Russia. |
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beachdude
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The Volleyball Made Me Do it!
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Post by beachdude on Mar 4, 2022 11:43:07 GMT -5
I'll call your virtue signaling and up you one!
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Mar 4, 2022 12:42:59 GMT -5
I don't see any Russian team competing in any international events for the forseeable future. Russian sports are DOA for now, They are even pushing to ban all Russian players to play to any European clubs I'm not so sure that is productive. Russian events, Russian teams, Russian ownership, yes. The athletes are not part of the 'inner circle' actions that make the individual Russian citizen a pariah, should be done with some forethought. The goal isn't make every single person in Russia feel 'ashamed', it's to make them have a productive message to change the leadership or influence the leadership in Russia, and I'm not sure the consequence of banning those athletics is that well thought out. The Russian people will be feeling a sense of desperation, and the goal would not be them to develop the same 'siege' mentality that Russian leadership currently has. |
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Post by akbar on Mar 4, 2022 17:10:59 GMT -5
They are even pushing to ban all Russian players to play to any European clubs I'm not so sure that is productive. Russian events, Russian teams, Russian ownership, yes. The athletes are not part of the 'inner circle' actions that make the individual Russian citizen a pariah, should be done with some forethought. The goal isn't make every single person in Russia feel 'ashamed', it's to make them have a productive message to change the leadership or influence the leadership in Russia, and I'm not sure the consequence of banning those athletics is that well thought out. The Russian people will be feeling a sense of desperation, and the goal would not be them to develop the same 'siege' mentality that Russian leadership currently has. Look my friend....the BS Zenit is pulling with Micah right now is unacceptable. The European Market and leagues for Men's and Women's Volleyball (all sports) was just turned on its head because of what the Russian Govt is doing. Players salaries in every league will take a nose dive as the market is flooded with men and women fleeing Russian clubs (and clubs close to Ukraine) and Euro clubs and leagues will take advantage going on the cheap. The more pressure on the Russian people and govt the better because honestly THEY are part of the solution out of this now world mess. Sorry, but the whole of Russia needs to embrace change and NOT the operational iron fist rule dating back to the post Golden Horde years. |
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Post by akbar on Mar 4, 2022 17:21:09 GMT -5
WOV post.
You can bet these Russian Clubs are doing everything possible to NOT allow these players to leave. 🧐
Polska Liga Siatkówki and PZPS have modified their rules in order to help Polish players return from war-affected Ukraine, as well as Russia and Belarus (their clubs are suspended by the FIVB and CEV), allowing them to play in PlusLiga and TAURON Liga for the remainder of the season.
Certainly, the most prominent Polish players that might return to play in the home country for the rest of the 2021/22 season are national team members Bartosz Bednorz (Zenit-Kazan, Russia), Artur Szalpuk (Epitsentr-Podoliany, Ukraine), and Malwina Smarzek (Lokomotiv, Russia).
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Mar 4, 2022 18:37:26 GMT -5
I'm not so sure that is productive. Russian events, Russian teams, Russian ownership, yes. The athletes are not part of the 'inner circle' actions that make the individual Russian citizen a pariah, should be done with some forethought. The goal isn't make every single person in Russia feel 'ashamed', it's to make them have a productive message to change the leadership or influence the leadership in Russia, and I'm not sure the consequence of banning those athletics is that well thought out. The Russian people will be feeling a sense of desperation, and the goal would not be them to develop the same 'siege' mentality that Russian leadership currently has. Look my friend....the BS Zenit is pulling with Micah right now is unacceptable. The European Market and leagues for Men's and Women's Volleyball (all sports) was just turned on its head because of what the Russian Govt is doing. Players salaries in every league will take a nose dive as the market is flooded with men and women fleeing Russian clubs (and clubs close to Ukraine) and Euro clubs and leagues will take advantage going on the cheap. The more pressure on the Russian people and govt the better because honestly THEY are part of the solution out of this now world mess. Sorry, but the whole of Russia needs to embrace change and NOT the operational iron fist rule dating back to the post Golden Horde years. I agree the whole of Russia needs to embrace change. the key is whatever 'whole of Russia' means pressure on the people (the 'whole' of Russia) is being applied, my question is where the 'official' singling out now of Russian citizens (I'm talking athletes in this case, not Oligarchs) stops being effective - it seems you think it has to be every single citizen, none of what you state is convincing, Micah's situation is not relevent to my point. I find for people like Biden to highlight seizing of yachts publicity to be frankly stupid, it's optics. I get freezing of assets, but to think taking away some play toys and acting like a tough guy by stating it is a bit silly. The reaction in the Russian leadershp had to be along the lines of 'we took over half of Ukraine, and you are gonna take a yacht' reaction. I don't think Russian's not playing in sports is gonna do anything, I'd rather have athletes from Russia able to speak their mind freely, some voice of Russian people that are able to speak out, is important anyway, I really don't have interest in whether Russians play in leagues outside of Russia (there won't be any leagues in Russia for the forseeable future), just that banning them I don't think is going to accomplish anyting other than optics |
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Post by akbar on Mar 4, 2022 18:57:26 GMT -5
Look my friend....the BS Zenit is pulling with Micah right now is unacceptable. The European Market and leagues for Men's and Women's Volleyball (all sports) was just turned on its head because of what the Russian Govt is doing. Players salaries in every league will take a nose dive as the market is flooded with men and women fleeing Russian clubs (and clubs close to Ukraine) and Euro clubs and leagues will take advantage going on the cheap. The more pressure on the Russian people and govt the better because honestly THEY are part of the solution out of this now world mess. Sorry, but the whole of Russia needs to embrace change and NOT the operational iron fist rule dating back to the post Golden Horde years. I agree the whole of Russia needs to embrace change. the key is whatever 'whole of Russia' means I'd rather have athletes from Russia able to speak their mind freely, some voice of Russian people that are able to speak out, is important 15 years of jail. People don't change unless they have to. The massive list of sanctions byt he US and its allies is far far more than just seizing oligarchs yachts and apartments. Seeing the increasing questioning rhetoric from within Russia, the $1million bounty on Putin by one of those oligarch, the 5 day closure of the Russian stock market and the crash of the Ruble.....i can go on.....the pressure is working and increasing. Your flippant comment about our current President sends a red flag about your motives btw. |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Mar 4, 2022 19:14:48 GMT -5
I agree the whole of Russia needs to embrace change. the key is whatever 'whole of Russia' means I'd rather have athletes from Russia able to speak their mind freely, some voice of Russian people that are able to speak out, is important 15 years of jail. People don't change unless they have to. The massive list of sanctions byt he US and its allies is far far more than just seizing oligarchs yachts and apartments. Seeing the increasing questioning rhetoric from within Russia, the $1million bounty on Putin by one of those oligarch, the 5 day closure of the Russian stock market and the crash of the Ruble.....i can go on.....the pressure is working and increasing. Your flippant comment about our current President sends a red flag about your motives btw. oh brother, it wasn't a flippant comment. A President's words matter, and the measures we take that are significant. It's optics to shout out that you are re-possessing a yacht - does it make you feel better? it doesn't for me, not because I oppose freezing assets, I just think it doesn't have any useful intended consequence to make a big deal about that point, and that's not flippant my point is to not rush to some judgement that certain actions at certain levels will actually be helpful, because they may not be. as to your 15 years comment, it's not relevent to anything I brought up. it's like you are throwing out crap the Russians are doing as some justification that allowing Russian's to play oversees is wrong, and you are making an assumption about what they will or will not choose to do. anyway, now you are going down the 'accusatory' route in your response. I have a 'red flag' lol. sheesh dude |
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Post by akbar on Mar 4, 2022 19:39:53 GMT -5
Optics has often affected change.
Russia and Eastern bloc countries were (and are Russia/Putin) obsessed with the optics of sport results. I don't need to give a history lesson on this 1960-80s and 2000's with state sponsored doping.
Sport was and remains an optic important to Cold War mindset.
Pressure from the outside and inside can affect change. I'm old enough to remember a human rights abuse that was present in South Africa from 1910-1993. It wasn't until enough external pressure from outside combined with internal pressure did we see it collapse (check out world divestment (billions pulled out), US college protests and shanty towns on campus(anyone remember), AND IOC banning of all athletes from South Africa participation in any international competition did we see change.
There is relevance here....clear as day.
Russia's economy is 1/2 of the State of California's GDP and for the last 60 years Sport hae been a Major ....Major propaganda tool of the Soviet Union/and Putin's Russia.
While we all in the industrialized world will experience some discomfort, to me punishing Putin's Russia and YES....its sport mechanism is a viable tool to help end this violent and illegal invasion of a sovereign Ukrainian Nation.
Sports is a political optic for EVERY nation. Period.
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