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Post by robtearle on Sept 26, 2022 14:06:06 GMT -5
Is it 'known' that Landfair indeed was granted a medical hardship year? Yes. So, the 2020 "spring 2021" COVID season doesn't count, and fall 2021 season was a medical hardship. That means she should have a full four years of eligibility remaining, 2022 through 2025. |
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Post by JT on Sept 26, 2022 14:10:26 GMT -5
Moving an OH to Libero to help your passing seems suspect. Teams could avoid serving Orzol even more easily if she's wearing a different color jersey, and it's not like UW has some great passer in the wings who can still contribute anywhere near Orzol's level at the pin. Also, GG's passing will improve, though it's definitely the weakest part of her game and there's no reason to think she'll do a 180 on that. But it's worth remembering that, while a lot of teams had a summer together in the gym to work on synergy, two of UW's three passers were in Europe, and GG even missed 5 days of Fall practice. It shouldn't be surprising that our passing is lagging behind other parts of our game. I thought teams sought her out when serving. Definitely the case for last night’s match. Matt was calling for “space around the ‘bro” for nearly every service. (Technically, I only heard him in sets 1&3 when the team is on “my” side.) |
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Post by vollem on Sept 26, 2022 14:13:51 GMT -5
So, the 2020 "spring 2021" COVID season doesn't count, and fall 2021 season was a medical hardship. That means she should have a full four years of eligibility remaining, 2022 through 2025. Sounds correct. 2025 should be the final year of covid seniors unless there are any possible 7th year cases (are there any in development in NCAA as of now?). The talk of ‘25 just gave me some existential dread. Gonna eat some matzo ball soup now and not think about it •_• Eta: I had a fat finger moment and proboards glitches. Apologies if you got extra notifications (it’s a personal pet peeve). |
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Post by robtearle on Sept 26, 2022 14:22:24 GMT -5
So, the 2020 "spring 2021" COVID season doesn't count, and fall 2021 season was a medical hardship. That means she should have a full four years of eligibility remaining, 2022 through 2025. Sounds correct. 2025 should be the final year of covid seniors unless there are any possible 7th year cases (are there any in development in NCAA as of now?). The talk of ‘25 just gave me some existential dread. Gonna eat some matzo ball soup now and not think about it •_• Eta: I had a fat finger moment and proboards glitches. Apologies if you got extra notifications (it’s a personal pet peeve). I wasn't sure in NCAA post-season matches would be included in the "30%" calculation. Good thing the Gophers survived to the second weekend; that got the number below that 30% figure! |
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Post by gopherhim on Sept 27, 2022 2:55:43 GMT -5
Ah, damn. That sucks. They really ought to take up the inequality in redshirting rules in VB vs FB. Some freshmen ought to be able to see the floor for a few matches and still be able to redshirt. Any other rule changes you’d like? I laughed audibly. Lol’d |
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Post by pavsec5row10 on Sept 27, 2022 8:53:26 GMT -5
I thought teams sought her out when serving. Definitely the case for last night’s match. Matt was calling for “space around the ‘bro” for nearly every service. (Technically, I only heard him in sets 1&3 when the team is on “my” side.) I'd be curious to know what else you hear from your seat. Like what is the bench saying when players crack up? Can you work out a signal to the Gopher serve receive in set 2 for any intel you get from the opponent, lol? |
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Post by vbcoltrane on Sept 27, 2022 9:11:48 GMT -5
I hadn't seen the highlights or the full match until this morning. The 25-26 (Wisc leading) point in the third set - OMG.
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Post by BigDigEnergy on Sept 27, 2022 10:15:03 GMT -5
I hadn't seen the highlights or the full match until this morning. The 25-26 (Wisc leading) point in the third set - OMG. Welcome to the party!  |
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Post by vbcoltrane on Sept 27, 2022 10:29:37 GMT -5
I hadn't seen the highlights or the full match until this morning. The 25-26 (Wisc leading) point in the third set - OMG. Welcome to the party! Very impressed that MN fended off three (I think) of those set points when they did not end the point off their serve receive offensive set. Wisconsin had chances but MN's defense held. Especially impressive when Wisc has a terminator like Franklin. |
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Post by dodger on Sept 27, 2022 11:08:31 GMT -5
If it’s a matter of not doing something in practice, I’m guessing it’s passing better than other options. If she needs more work in that area, she’s ought to be considering a redshirt year (assuming she hasn’t burned it already). Wrobel has already played in matches. She can no longer 'red shirt'. If she were to become injured, I think she would still be able to qualify for a 'medical hardship' year. But the possibility of a 'red shirt' year is gone. You can play in 4 contests and still redshirt! Its not just football |
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Post by robtearle on Sept 27, 2022 11:12:13 GMT -5
Wrobel has already played in matches. She can no longer 'red shirt'. If she were to become injured, I think she would still be able to qualify for a 'medical hardship' year. But the possibility of a 'red shirt' year is gone. You can play in 4 contests and still redshirt! Its not just football I looked the other day for any 'announcement' of that such a change and did not find one; the closest I could come was articles that the rule might change for basketball to match the football rule. And that had not been finalized and did not mention volleyball. So anything 'official' that you can point me to would be appreciated. ------------- Added: for some reason - small differences in terms searched, maybe - today I managed to turn this up: 2022-23 NCAA Manual (and I now have it bookmarked), which makes it pretty clear that the 'four contest' exception is for football only. Page 64, 12.8.3.1.7. web3.ncaa.org/lsdbi/reports/getReport/90008 |
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Post by stevehorn on Sept 27, 2022 12:07:06 GMT -5
So, what are the redshirt rules? If non-medical, then 1 match takes away the possibility? If medical, then they're allowed to play a certain percentage of the team's schedule? For example, Landfair got a medical redshirt in 2021 and she played in 9 matches. They changed the rule for football, but I think it was only for football (and maybe subsquently basketball?). It was the case that if a player played "even one second", their opportunity to claim a voluntary redshirt year would be gone. Football changed to where a player could play in up to four games and still 'redshirt'. There was talk of a similar change for basketball, but I don't know if it ever went into effect. As best I know "even one second" still applies to volleyball. 'Medical hardship' (again, unless it has changed) is no more than 30% of the team's games/matches, and none after the midpoint of the season. Landfair's nine matches stays under 30% if the NCAA tournament matches are included, but not if it is 30% of the regular season. Is it 'known' that Landfair indeed was granted a medical hardship year? Football is still the only sport that allows some participation in athletic contests for a redshirt season. If Minnesota played 28 matches that season, then 9 matches would be the maximum number that could be played and receive a medical redshirt. If the calculation results in a fractional game, then the fraction is rounded up to next whole number. 28 matches * .30 = 8.4 matches which is rounded up to 9. It would still be the same if they played 27 matches as that result is 8.1 rounded to 9. Also you are correct that only regular season competition is used in the calculation. I believe there is one quirk possible in the volleyball calculation. Since volleyball has used "dates" of competition as it's limit, not matches, then dates are used in the calculation for volleyball. If a player plays in two matches in one day, then the two matches only count as one "date" in the calculation. |
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Post by stevehorn on Sept 27, 2022 12:14:24 GMT -5
Wrobel has already played in matches. She can no longer 'red shirt'. If she were to become injured, I think she would still be able to qualify for a 'medical hardship' year. But the possibility of a 'red shirt' year is gone. Ah, damn. That sucks. They really ought to take up the inequality in redshirting rules in VB vs FB. Some freshmen ought to be able to see the floor for a few matches and still be able to redshirt. The football rule was changed through the efforts of the D1 football coaches association which were all in favor of pursuing the change. When the rule was changed for football, a number of coaches in other sports came out against adopting a similar rule for their sport. I do believe that no other sport has been changed because there is probably much opposition in that sport against changing it. If the coaches in volleyball pushed a resolution to change it, IMO it would most likely be passed. |
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Post by robtearle on Sept 27, 2022 12:21:52 GMT -5
They changed the rule for football, but I think it was only for football (and maybe subsquently basketball?). It was the case that if a player played "even one second", their opportunity to claim a voluntary redshirt year would be gone. Football changed to where a player could play in up to four games and still 'redshirt'. There was talk of a similar change for basketball, but I don't know if it ever went into effect. As best I know "even one second" still applies to volleyball. 'Medical hardship' (again, unless it has changed) is no more than 30% of the team's games/matches, and none after the midpoint of the season. Landfair's nine matches stays under 30% if the NCAA tournament matches are included, but not if it is 30% of the regular season. Is it 'known' that Landfair indeed was granted a medical hardship year? Football is still the only sport that allows some participation in athletic contests for a redshirt season. If Minnesota played 28 matches that season, then 9 matches would be the maximum number that could be played and receive a medical redshirt. If the calculation results in a fractional game, then the fraction is rounded up to next whole number. 28 matches * .30 = 8.4 matches which is rounded up to 9. It would still be the same if they played 27 matches as that result is 8.1 rounded to 9. That manual that I dug up this morning also covers that (I happened to notice). The 'denominator' for volleyball is 29 (reagrdless of the number a particular team played?), and 9 is the maximum number of contests allowed. Figure 12, pages 73 and 74. (Like I said, that manual is now bookmarked. :-) |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2022 9:14:23 GMT -5
So, the 2020 "spring 2021" COVID season doesn't count, and fall 2021 season was a medical hardship. That means she should have a full four years of eligibility remaining, 2022 through 2025. Correct.
All enrolled Fall 2020 athletes essentially received a hardship waiver "for free" for the 2020-21 athletic year, regardless if they played in a season or not.
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