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Post by stevehorn on Nov 17, 2022 10:39:14 GMT -5
The ultimate survivor of these leagues is most likely the one that can get a decent TV contract.
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Post by volleyguy on Nov 17, 2022 10:48:05 GMT -5
hmmm who are some of the “biggest” but attainable names you could see doing this idk. I think players would take a paycut to stay stateside (And only play half of the season or a longer season with AU) Which players is the key. When you factor in living expenses, a $60K salary doesn't go far for a player (more so if they are relocating to a different area). The league will have to address housing in particular, as many pro clubs do for foreign players, to make this work, especially of they want to attract at least a few of the best USA players. |
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Post by huskyvolley on Nov 17, 2022 10:50:30 GMT -5
"first collegiate draft a year from now, in November 2023."
I wonder how this will be done. Technically, the collegiate players can NOT contact with them by that time, right?
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Post by avid 2.0 on Nov 17, 2022 10:53:19 GMT -5
"first collegiate draft a year from now, in November 2023." I wonder how this will be done. Technically, the collegiate players can NOT contact with them by that time, right? it'll probably be the publicity piece that AU tried to do last year (aka just "pick" the top players and move on lol) |
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Post by vbnerd on Nov 17, 2022 10:58:31 GMT -5
I get these are broad numbers but lets go with the $60k per player, for 10 players is $600,000. And 16 matches per team would suggest 8 home games, per team.
$600,000/8 is $75,000 profit per night to pay the players. So if they can average 5000 people per game, and a profit margin of $15 per person, they can break even on salaries.
That doesn't account for coaches, trainers, officials, travel, and it doesn't account for sponsors, media rights, etc so like I said, this is broad and oversimplified. The point is, if this is to become profitable, they are either going to need to charge Taylor Swift prices or significantly more people in the US are going to have to make it a habit to watch live volleyball played by people they aren't related to. The same is likely true for AU and LOVB.
I hope it works but over the year I've heard so many reasons that it cannot work, that I guess I need to see it before I'll believe it.
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Post by avid 2.0 on Nov 17, 2022 11:17:11 GMT -5
idk. I think players would take a paycut to stay stateside (And only play half of the season or a longer season with AU) Which players is the key. When you factor in living expenses, a $60K salary doesn't go far for a player (more so if they are relocating to a different area). The league will have to address housing in particular, as many pro clubs do for foreign players, to make this work, especially of they want to attract at least a few of the best USA players. Yea. Im be more curious to look at what the WNBA does now... and what the NWSL has done previously. (for how to solve that) |
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Post by madden55 on Nov 17, 2022 11:18:15 GMT -5
Which players is the key. When you factor in living expenses, a $60K salary doesn't go far for a player (more so if they are relocating to a different area). The league will have to address housing in particular, as many pro clubs do for foreign players, to make this work, especially of they want to attract at least a few of the best USA players. Yea. Im be more curious to look at what the WNBA does now... and what the NWSL has done previously. (for how to solve that) well the WNBA has a lot of money from the NBA that this league won’t get |
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Post by avid 2.0 on Nov 17, 2022 11:22:23 GMT -5
Yea. Im be more curious to look at what the WNBA does now... and what the NWSL has done previously. (for how to solve that) well the WNBA has a lot of money from the NBA that this league won’t get I meant housing specifically, not the overall funding. and this article mentions NBA partners/owners. that still could be huge for branding/media relations/etc. |
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Post by madden55 on Nov 17, 2022 11:23:20 GMT -5
well the WNBA has a lot of money from the NBA that this league won’t get I meant housing specifically, not the overall funding. and this article mentions NBA partners/owners. that still could be huge for branding/media relations/etc. oh fair |
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Post by volleyguy on Nov 17, 2022 11:23:44 GMT -5
well the WNBA has a lot of money from the NBA that this league won’t get I meant housing specifically, not the overall funding. and this article mentions NBA partners/owners. that still could be huge for branding/media relations/etc. I noticed that. I wasn't sure what the reference to the NBA actually meant. I thought it might have been a typo. |
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Post by VolleyballMag on Nov 17, 2022 11:25:47 GMT -5
I meant housing specifically, not the overall funding. and this article mentions NBA partners/owners. that still could be huge for branding/media relations/etc. I noticed that. I wasn't sure what the reference to the NBA actually meant. I thought it might have been a typo. Not a typo. One of the owners is an NBA owner. And there are some other big names who will be owners that will get everyone's attention. I included everything I had on the record. |
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Post by volleyguy on Nov 17, 2022 11:38:11 GMT -5
I noticed that. I wasn't sure what the reference to the NBA actually meant. I thought it might have been a typo. Not a typo. One of the owners is an NBA owner. And there are some other big names who will be owners that will get everyone's attention. I included everything I had on the record. Thank you. I went back and saw that reference in the article. I guess that explains the quote about "major league venues". I wonder if there is the potential for at least some of the matches to be played in major arenas as a result? |
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Post by VolleyballMag on Nov 17, 2022 11:47:22 GMT -5
I don't know about venues. Didn't ask, but I would think smaller places. Major league is a term they've thrown around a little loosely. Triple A maybe.
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Post by Phaedrus on Nov 17, 2022 12:05:08 GMT -5
I get these are broad numbers but lets go with the $60k per player, for 10 players is $600,000. And 16 matches per team would suggest 8 home games, per team. $600,000/8 is $75,000 profit per night to pay the players. So if they can average 5000 people per game, and a profit margin of $15 per person, they can break even on salaries. That doesn't account for coaches, trainers, officials, travel, and it doesn't account for sponsors, media rights, etc so like I said, this is broad and oversimplified. The point is, if this is to become profitable, they are either going to need to charge Taylor Swift prices or significantly more people in the US are going to have to make it a habit to watch live volleyball played by people they aren't related to. The same is likely true for AU and LOVB. I hope it works but over the year I've heard so many reasons that it cannot work, that I guess I need to see it before I'll believe it. You are assuming that they need to make money right away. I don't think that is the intent. You have to look at the business model. USPV started with a limited model. The league owned all the teams, played a limited schedule, charged a minimal entry fee and played in small college arenas. They also had a financial backer who understood that they will be in the red for a few years until they get established. The problem was that the financial backer's main business tanked and they yanked their investment right before the start of the second season, giving the league no wiggle room to find another financial backer to keep the league operating. This league's model is individual team ownership, just like all the other professional leagues in other sports. The idea is that the ownership can spend as much as they want, but the immediate goal is to establish the league's legitimacy and grow a solid fan base for years two, three, four, etc. I am pretty sure that the owners are coming in with eyes wide open, they know that they won't make money immediately. Hopefully they are in it for the long game. So your back of the envelope calculations seem accurate, but that isn't the real numbers that they are aiming for immediately. I hope. |
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Post by uofastudent on Nov 17, 2022 12:26:59 GMT -5
Well if this really does happen and there’s a team in DFW like they say, you know I’ll give my full support. It just is concerning because we were afraid one league wouldn’t be sustainable and now we have what, three? LOVB needs to merge.
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