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Post by avid 2.0 on Nov 17, 2022 22:41:19 GMT -5
OWH says they want a team in omaha they absolutely should other potential candidates in my opinion: Minneapolis, Madison/Milwaukee, Louisville, Indianapolis, Atlanta, maybe Austin? then gotta get a couple on the west coast one article i read mentioned a NBA family of owners... that's gotta be the Buss's right? (or maybe its not a literal family lol) |
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Post by ironhammer on Nov 17, 2022 22:46:18 GMT -5
How long will this pro league last I wonder?
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Post by avid 2.0 on Nov 17, 2022 22:46:31 GMT -5
this is from Emily Ehman
"During the inaugural season, PVF teams will play 16 matches, rosters will have 14 players, and the league expects to have a minimum of 3 “National Game of the Week” windows on major broadcast networks and a worldwide streaming partner — both of which have not been announced."
ESPN seems like a natural partner for that... the head of Diversity/Equity/something else used to work there.
worldwide streaming... has to be VBW right? (I mean they're paying for the Big Ten... might as well for this.... someone sign Nootsara and Alyssa Valdez up lol)
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Post by knapplc on Nov 17, 2022 23:21:40 GMT -5
They should just hit the Big Ten footprint and go from there.
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Post by junior1 on Nov 18, 2022 6:50:51 GMT -5
There's a fourth initiative, too, as the VLA is starting up a women's branch. volleyballleagueofamerica.com/ Stay tuned as we release more details leading into next season. The VLA is excited to continue to create more opportunities for professional level volleyball in the United States. ...announced on the Volleyball League of America facebook page. November 1 at 9:23 AM |
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Post by rogerdodger on Nov 18, 2022 7:24:42 GMT -5
I am not a fan of the UA format with the point system and changing teams and all of that - assuming that is still the format because I didn't tune in after the first season - but I would definitely go and see these teams play. Living in Ohio, I would be thrilled if Columbus would get a team.
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Post by bigscrill on Nov 18, 2022 8:10:44 GMT -5
Question is do all these count as "clubs" on avid's rosters
Odds on any of these becoming the US League we hoped for?
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Post by GoGophs23 on Nov 18, 2022 8:32:55 GMT -5
I’ll support any and all pro leagues that start in hopes that one will stick, please just make them accessible for viewers in all markets! May the best league win 👍
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Post by Phaedrus on Nov 18, 2022 8:48:12 GMT -5
You are assuming that they need to make money right away. I don't think that is the intent. You have to look at the business model. USPV started with a limited model. The league owned all the teams, played a limited schedule, charged a minimal entry fee and played in small college arenas. They also had a financial backer who understood that they will be in the red for a few years until they get established. The problem was that the financial backer's main business tanked and they yanked their investment right before the start of the second season, giving the league no wiggle room to find another financial backer to keep the league operating. This league's model is individual team ownership, just like all the other professional leagues in other sports. The idea is that the ownership can spend as much as they want, but the immediate goal is to establish the league's legitimacy and grow a solid fan base for years two, three, four, etc. I am pretty sure that the owners are coming in with eyes wide open, they know that they won't make money immediately. Hopefully they are in it for the long game. So your back of the envelope calculations seem accurate, but that isn't the real numbers that they are aiming for immediately. I hope. IDK about right away but at some point. We've heard for years that this and that are not sustainable. I think 2500 people paying $20/night would be great, but that isn't going to pay for $600,000+ of labor. What projections they are giving the potential owners. If it's an NBA Arena do 2500 volleyball fans move the needle on advertising rates in the arena? Do we know what the advertising revenue is on an AU broadcast? Will that drive a competitive bidding process for TV rights to pro volleyball? Ultimately we'll never get these answers directly but whether or not the league sticks will tell us something. For what time horizon? 2 years? 3 years? 5 years? What targets are they trying to hit? We don't know. |
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Post by avid 2.0 on Nov 18, 2022 10:08:11 GMT -5
Their social handles are @realprovb
they need some branding help lol
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Post by avid 2.0 on Nov 18, 2022 10:15:19 GMT -5
Question is do all these count as "clubs" on avid's rosters Odds on any of these becoming the US League we hoped for? they must pass the BGS bruinsgold |
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Post by bruinsgold on Nov 18, 2022 10:17:29 GMT -5
Question is do all these count as "clubs" on avid's rosters Odds on any of these becoming the US League we hoped for? they must pass the BGS bruinsgold Only time will tell. If it's a bunch of old NCAA players who just want their glory days back and with no aspirations to help the national team, then BGS probably won't accredit them as an official club. Sorry not sorry. |
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Post by bruinsgold on Nov 18, 2022 10:18:12 GMT -5
Their social handles are @realprovb they need some branding help lol One of these leagues is going to hire you. If not, Larry is bringing you on at the NET. Hi, Larry! |
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Post by tablealgebra on Nov 18, 2022 11:56:42 GMT -5
My calculations are coming up a lot higher than $600k.
I think you need 14 player squads. If you figure 10 of them make 60k and the other four make 100k (for arguments sake) that's $1 million in salaries. But operating costs for venue/airfare/training meals/facility/gameday staff/full time operational staff/coach/marketing has to be what, another $1.5-$2 million? So $2.5-$3 million in revenue to break even from TV/sponsorships/gate receipts. If you can get there in 5 years, you have a permanent league. Heck, if you can get there in 10 years (I think MLS is *still* not profitable).
No idea how the other stuff works, but with inflation, let's assume they charge $20 for an average seat (I looked at women's soccer and basketball tickets to get a baseline). If you can draw 5k at that price, then that's 100k in revenue per home game, so $1.2 million for a 24 game season (12 home). If you can get the same out of TV and sponsorships I think you'd be doing good.
Frankly, I'm not sure you can charge the same for a single volleyball match as for basketball and soccer (the variable time frame is the reason for my thinking - volleyball matches that aren't close are done in an hour). So if you reduce the tickets to $15, then you either have to increase the fan count to 6.7k per game or the number of games (my preference) to 32 (16 home) to get the same $1.2 million in gate receipts. But I think that once you're over $1 million in gate receipts per team, the league is here to stay and they will figure out how to make the rest of it work. Besides, a number of the investors are frankly not going to care about making a profit and/or figure their entire profit is value gained on the price of the team, so as long as you're breaking even (or even operating at a small loss) it's going to be sustainable.
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Post by uofastudent on Nov 18, 2022 12:43:00 GMT -5
The article said the players would be getting paid “around” 60k with up to 100k if they win a championship right? I would imagine that means bench players are getting paid under 60k while starters get somewhere around 60k, and the stars maybe get up to 75k. That dramatically decreases league wide salary compared to saying each team will have 3-4 100k makers with the minimum being 60k. I could be so wrong though and misinterpreted the article
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