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Post by ITA/USA on Feb 23, 2023 22:12:31 GMT -5
I need to correct myself.... I checked UCLA roster and Partain is still on it. So, if that's technically true, there is not much of a similarity with Cavalcanti's case who instead has gone pro with Verona and has been removed from LIU roster. He is now ineligible to play with NCAA, which makes his situation very similar to Torres.
In any case I go ahead with my add/drop n. 4 and drop Cavalcanti, OH, add Luuk Hoge Bavel, OH, Charleston, Eiva, international.
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Post by Logan Tom Fan on Feb 24, 2023 1:30:47 GMT -5
I need to correct myself.... I checked UCLA roster and Partain is still on it. So, if that's technically true, there is not much of a similarity with Cavalcanti's case who instead has gone pro with Verona and has been removed from LIU roster. He is now ineligible to play with NCAA, which makes his situation very similar to Torres. In any case I go ahead with my add/drop n. 4 and drop Cavalcanti, OH, add Luuk Hoge Bavel, OH, Charleston, Eiva, international. I may be wrong but I think the difference is a player choosing to withdraw from the team even though he still can play, as opposed to a player who cannot play on the team. But to make it fair for the both of you since this is uncharted territory, as well as unexpected, I would be okay with both of you getting another add drop. Maybe have a vote on it with everyone else? |
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Post by Volleyfan024 on Feb 24, 2023 9:21:49 GMT -5
I have no problem if both get another add/drop for this.
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Post by ITA/USA on Feb 24, 2023 11:03:24 GMT -5
I need to correct myself.... I checked UCLA roster and Partain is still on it. So, if that's technically true, there is not much of a similarity with Cavalcanti's case who instead has gone pro with Verona and has been removed from LIU roster. He is now ineligible to play with NCAA, which makes his situation very similar to Torres. In any case I go ahead with my add/drop n. 4 and drop Cavalcanti, OH, add Luuk Hoge Bavel, OH, Charleston, Eiva, international. I may be wrong but I think the difference is a player choosing to withdraw from the team even though he still can play, as opposed to a player who cannot play on the team. But to make it fair for the both of you since this is uncharted territory, as well as unexpected, I would be okay with both of you getting another add drop. Maybe have a vote on it with everyone else? Let's see what After Dawn thinks before going ahead with a vote, after all he has created the league! it's just fine if we get the extra add/drop or if we don't (it's fun anyway!) I think it's indeed part of the fun to debate about the possible criteria to adopt. The criteria you suggest, whether it was the player's choice to withdraw or not, could be a possibility, although it might not be always simple to ascertain. It would probably be more straightforward to always allow an extra add/drop anytime a player is removed from the roster for any reason, or never allow for extra add/drops. |
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Post by Timeless on Feb 24, 2023 14:58:16 GMT -5
I need to correct myself.... I checked UCLA roster and Partain is still on it. So, if that's technically true, there is not much of a similarity with Cavalcanti's case who instead has gone pro with Verona and has been removed from LIU roster. He is now ineligible to play with NCAA, which makes his situation very similar to Torres. In any case I go ahead with my add/drop n. 4 and drop Cavalcanti, OH, add Luuk Hoge Bavel, OH, Charleston, Eiva, international. I may be wrong but I think the difference is a player choosing to withdraw from the team even though he still can play, as opposed to a player who cannot play on the team. But to make it fair for the both of you since this is uncharted territory, as well as unexpected, I would be okay with both of you getting another add drop. Maybe have a vote on it with everyone else? This is 100% what I was thinking. |
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Post by Timeless on Feb 24, 2023 15:01:47 GMT -5
I may be wrong but I think the difference is a player choosing to withdraw from the team even though he still can play, as opposed to a player who cannot play on the team. But to make it fair for the both of you since this is uncharted territory, as well as unexpected, I would be okay with both of you getting another add drop. Maybe have a vote on it with everyone else? Let's see what After Dawn thinks before going ahead with a vote, after all he has created the league! it's just fine if we get the extra add/drop or if we don't (it's fun anyway!) I think it's indeed part of the fun to debate about the possible criteria to adopt. The criteria you suggest, whether it was the player's choice to withdraw or not, could be a possibility, although it might not be always simple to ascertain. It would probably be more straightforward to always allow an extra add/drop anytime a player is removed from the roster for any reason, or never allow for extra add/drops. Okay after some thought. I'll grant both of us an extra add/drop. At first, it didn't make sense but as you said earlier the key is to remain consistent throughout. |
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Post by socal3 on Feb 24, 2023 15:20:25 GMT -5
Let's see what After Dawn thinks before going ahead with a vote, after all he has created the league! it's just fine if we get the extra add/drop or if we don't (it's fun anyway!) I think it's indeed part of the fun to debate about the possible criteria to adopt. The criteria you suggest, whether it was the player's choice to withdraw or not, could be a possibility, although it might not be always simple to ascertain. It would probably be more straightforward to always allow an extra add/drop anytime a player is removed from the roster for any reason, or never allow for extra add/drops. Okay after some thought. I'll grant both of us an extra add/drop. At first, it didn't make sense but as you said earlier the key is to remain consistent throughout. Why is this any different than an injury where a player can’t play? I don’t agree with this and find it so funny the things you’re willing to be flexible on and things you’re not. Some things are a hard and fast rule, while other rules can be bent 😂 |
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Post by Timeless on Feb 24, 2023 15:35:47 GMT -5
Okay after some thought. I'll grant both of us an extra add/drop. At first, it didn't make sense but as you said earlier the key is to remain consistent throughout. Why is this any different than an injury where a player can’t play? I don’t agree with this and find it so funny the things you’re willing to be flexible on and things you’re not. Some things are a hard and fast rule, while other rules can be bent 😂 To be fair I had some of those rules set in place from the start (deadlines). It's also my first time running this thing so don't expect everything to run so smoothly. As for the injuries, they are in their own category. Injured players are expected to play eventually compared to players that will never see the court or have left the team and have gone pro. It's fine to be not okay with this decision and the only way to come to conclusion is to have the rest of the participants vote on this. Volleyfan024, Logan Tom Fan, and ITA/USA seem to be okay with this so that leaves dude2112 and Fight On! |
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Post by socal3 on Feb 24, 2023 15:43:34 GMT -5
Why is this any different than an injury where a player can’t play? I don’t agree with this and find it so funny the things you’re willing to be flexible on and things you’re not. Some things are a hard and fast rule, while other rules can be bent 😂 To be fair I had some of those rules set in place from the start (deadlines). It's also my first time running this thing so don't expect everything to run so smoothly. As for the injuries, they are in their own category. Injured players are expected to play eventually compared to players that will never see the court or have left the team and have gone pro. It's fine to be not okay with this decision and the only way to come to conclusion is to have the rest of the participants vote on this. Volleyfan024, Logan Tom Fan, and ITA/USA seem to be okay with this so that leaves dude2112 and Fight On! Why would you call a vote when the majority has already decided. Four of the seven members have agreed. |
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Post by socal3 on Feb 24, 2023 15:53:22 GMT -5
Why is this any different than an injury where a player can’t play? I don’t agree with this and find it so funny the things you’re willing to be flexible on and things you’re not. Some things are a hard and fast rule, while other rules can be bent 😂 To be fair I had some of those rules set in place from the start (deadlines). It's also my first time running this thing so don't expect everything to run so smoothly. As for the injuries, they are in their own category. Injured players are expected to play eventually compared to players that will never see the court or have left the team and have gone pro. It's fine to be not okay with this decision and the only way to come to conclusion is to have the rest of the participants vote on this. Volleyfan024, Logan Tom Fan, and ITA/USA seem to be okay with this so that leaves dude2112 and Fight On! Also, this rule was “in place from the start” should apply to all rules that were “in place from the start”. Funny thing is, the same rule you held me accountable to (that was “in place from the start”) when I was 20 minutes late with my lineup and wouldn’t allow flexibility is the same rule you are now bending (that was “in place from the start”) “SIX adds/drops the entire season”. If you say that written rules can not bend, that should apply to all written rules. Interesting that no one seems to see any hypocrisy here. 3. Adds/Drops deadline: Monday, NOON PST (SIX adds/drops the entire season) |
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Post by Logan Tom Fan on Feb 24, 2023 16:23:44 GMT -5
To be fair I had some of those rules set in place from the start (deadlines). It's also my first time running this thing so don't expect everything to run so smoothly. As for the injuries, they are in their own category. Injured players are expected to play eventually compared to players that will never see the court or have left the team and have gone pro. It's fine to be not okay with this decision and the only way to come to conclusion is to have the rest of the participants vote on this. Volleyfan024, Logan Tom Fan, and ITA/USA seem to be okay with this so that leaves dude2112 and Fight On! Also, this rule was “in place from the start” should apply to all rules that were “in place from the start”. Funny thing is, the same rule you held me accountable to (that was “in place from the start”) when I was 20 minutes late and wouldn’t allow flexibility is the same rule you are now bending (that was “in place from the start”) “SIX adds/drops the entire season”. Interesting that no one seems to see any hypocrisy here. 3. Adds/Drops deadline: Monday, NOON PST (SIX adds/drops the entire season) Those add drops deadline are IF you are going to use them. Us submitting our teams by a specific time frame is not the same thing. |
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Post by socal3 on Feb 24, 2023 16:35:13 GMT -5
Also, this rule was “in place from the start” should apply to all rules that were “in place from the start”. Funny thing is, the same rule you held me accountable to (that was “in place from the start”) when I was 20 minutes late and wouldn’t allow flexibility is the same rule you are now bending (that was “in place from the start”) “SIX adds/drops the entire season”. Interesting that no one seems to see any hypocrisy here. 3. Adds/Drops deadline: Monday, NOON PST (SIX adds/drops the entire season) Those add drops deadline are IF you are going to use them. Us submitting our teams by a specific time frame is not the same thing. Agree not the same at all because getting an extra add/drop for the season because a player left a roster for a “certain reason tbd”, (but not due to injury because an injured player may come back, but if they don’t come back it doesn’t matter because injury is its own category (whatever that means)), is way more of a benefit than flexibility around entering a line up 20 minutes late 👍🏻 |
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Post by ITA/USA on Feb 24, 2023 16:48:59 GMT -5
Also, this rule was “in place from the start” should apply to all rules that were “in place from the start”. Funny thing is, the same rule you held me accountable to (that was “in place from the start”) when I was 20 minutes late and wouldn’t allow flexibility is the same rule you are now bending (that was “in place from the start”) “SIX adds/drops the entire season”. Interesting that no one seems to see any hypocrisy here. 3. Adds/Drops deadline: Monday, NOON PST (SIX adds/drops the entire season) Those add drops deadline are IF you are going to use them. Us submitting our teams by a specific time frame is not the same thing. I think After Dawn has done a great job setting up all the rules but not everything can be anticipated and some adjustment along the road seems a smart way to deal with unexpected situations. In that case, if whatever happens is a good reason to introduce a new rule, it should be consistent for the rest of the season. In my mind, the issue is not changing the rules per se, but the reason why they are changed, if so. I don't see any hypocrisy. Honestly, being late doesn't seem a good reason to change the rule, as it was not a good reason to change the rules the fact that I edited my 2nd draft a minute after I submitted it. And indeed it was not allowed (after Dawn sure runs a tight ship!). Again, I am fine with both getting the extra add/drop or not, as long as we are consistent. |
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Post by socal3 on Feb 24, 2023 17:23:31 GMT -5
I am in the minority, but every legal vote should count and my vote is NO extra add/drops beyond the 6 states in the “written rules”.
Besides what has already been addressed, I don’t agree with the subjective nature of this call. What about players who leave a team for personal reason, family dynamics, serious illness, etc. Are extra add/drops awarded in these cases?
We shouldn’t have to judge each case based on subjective criteria which lends itself to bias when there’s a written rule that was established at the onset of the season. “6 ADD/DROPs total for the season”. The written rule didn’t say “tbd on a case by case basis” just like it didn’t say “unless you’re just 20 minutes late”.
I rest my case and moving on, ✌🏼
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Post by Timeless on Feb 24, 2023 22:17:18 GMT -5
I am in the minority, but every legal vote should count and my vote is NO extra add/drops beyond the 6 states in the “written rules”. Besides what has already been addressed, I don’t agree with the subjective nature of this call. What about players who leave a team for personal reason, family dynamics, serious illness, etc. Are extra add/drops awarded in these cases? We shouldn’t have to judge each case based on subjective criteria which lends itself to bias when there’s a written rule that was established at the onset of the season. “6 ADD/DROPs total for the season”. The written rule didn’t say “tbd on a case by case basis” just like it didn’t say “unless you’re just 20 minutes late”. I rest my case and moving on, ✌🏼 I've decided to keep the MAX at 6. ITA/USA has stated multiple times that they are fine with not receiving an extra add/drop. I was originally fine with it as well. Unfortunately, this mess also affects dude2112. This decision is final. For the record, you were actually 45 minutes late. You were late in week 5 and I penalized you the same way I did to dude2112 the week before. |
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