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Post by tablealgebra on Dec 11, 2022 6:11:03 GMT -5
My take:
- Clearly we stay in a 6-2.
- I think you move Devyn to the middle and let Demps and Wrobel battle it out for the second right-side. I get the desire to keep her on the right but her lateral movement and great blocking in general would be huge for a team that depends on its block.
- Demps could also push Orzol and Franklin, but I have a hard time seeing it.
- Passing is clearly the key to advancing farther next year.
- GG was a freshman and played like it at times; there's a reason that no other freshman liberos started in the B1G or (I think?) for any teams in the Sweet Sixteen. Expect her to improve significantly and for Damrow to sit next year. (discussions of what should have happened in 2022 or will happen in 2024 are moot in this 2023 thread)
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Post by nuclearbdgr on Dec 11, 2022 8:02:25 GMT -5
What is the current timeline for the transfer portal? Is it 45 days from the end of the season?
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Post by rainbowbadger on Dec 11, 2022 9:25:32 GMT -5
What is the current timeline for the transfer portal? Is it 45 days from the end of the season? 45 days from the end of the regular season. So basically the day after the selection show is when it opens, and it closes in January. |
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Post by BadgerAce42 on Dec 11, 2022 10:52:54 GMT -5
Let’s pull a Texas and have Landfair, Gomillion, Booth, and a capable setter join. Isn’t this the year for an international trip? Free trip, everyone!
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Post by savannahbadger on Dec 11, 2022 11:06:41 GMT -5
What is the current timeline for the transfer portal? Is it 45 days from the end of the season? 45 days from the end of the regular season. So basically the day after the selection show is when it opens, and it closes in January. There is also a short window in the spring, May 1-15, for fall sport student-athletes. I believe this would be for those who want to finish up the academic year at their current school and then transfer for the next academic year. |
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Post by robtearle on Dec 11, 2022 12:07:52 GMT -5
I won't belabor the point, and maybe it's just the fresh memory of this past weekend: but with Damrow coming, I hope the coaches re-examine the trade-off between the value of Franklin's backrow attack vs a DS like Damrow helping stabilize serve-receive. I don't know which it the better option in the long run.
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Post by mnwis20 on Dec 11, 2022 12:11:58 GMT -5
I won't belabor the point, and maybe it's just the fresh memory of this past weekend: but with Damrow coming, I hope the coaches re-examine the trade-off between the value of Franklin's backrow attack vs a DS like Damrow helping stabilize serve-receive. I don't know which it the better option in the long run. How many subs can we allot for this if we’re still running the 6-2? |
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Post by robtearle on Dec 11, 2022 12:17:41 GMT -5
I won't belabor the point, and maybe it's just the fresh memory of this past weekend: but with Damrow coming, I hope the coaches re-examine the trade-off between the value of Franklin's backrow attack vs a DS like Damrow helping stabilize serve-receive. I don't know which it the better option in the long run. How many subs can we allot for this if we’re still running the 6-2? They're already quite often using the subs anyway to put in a serving sub for Franklin (or, after surgery, for CC). So, assuming Damrow's serve is acceptable, instead of subbing just for Franklin's turn to serve and then putting her immediately back in for the attack option, sub in the DS to both serve and play defense. Then it essentially costs nothing in terms of the sub count; the only 'cost' is the loss of the backrow attack option. |
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Post by savannahbadger on Dec 11, 2022 12:19:49 GMT -5
I won't belabor the point, and maybe it's just the fresh memory of this past weekend: but with Damrow coming, I hope the coaches re-examine the trade-off between the value of Franklin's backrow attack vs a DS like Damrow helping stabilize serve-receive. I don't know which it the better option in the long run. How many subs can we allot for this if we’re still running the 6-2? If we’re going to sub serve for her, it wouldn’t cost us anything more to leave someone in the back row. That takes out a backrow attacking option, but did we even use her effectively that much back there? Pretty sure she blasted at least a couple backrow attacks into the student section. |
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Post by savannahbadger on Dec 11, 2022 12:20:10 GMT -5
Jinx!
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Post by volleystan on Dec 11, 2022 17:37:45 GMT -5
Someone called Orzol the best passing outside after Nuneviller… Did the last two matches support that narrative? Don’t know who said that but I think it’s pretty well-established that for last season that was Madi Kubik. |
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Post by robtearle on Dec 11, 2022 17:49:43 GMT -5
Someone called Orzol the best passing outside after Nuneviller… Did the last two matches support that narrative? They don't usually post the version of the box score that shows the serve-receive attempts at the UW web site (or most anywhere else, as best I know) but for some reason they did for last night. Of the 90-some serves received by Wisconsin last night, 8 were hit to Orzol. And in 'discussing' the question during the day yesterday, I manually counted the serves received in the 'bad' third and fourth sets Thursday vs Penn State; of the 45 received by Wisconsin, 6 went to Orzol. And of the 14 aces recorded against UW in those seven sets, Orzol was 'credited' with one. UW had a rough couple matches in serve-receive this weekend, but Orzol had little to do with that. The serve-receive version of the box score for last night: uwbadgers.com/documents/2022/12/10/Pitt.pdf |
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Post by robtearle on Dec 11, 2022 18:13:30 GMT -5
None of the above is relevant to my question. The narrative is Orzol is on the floor because she’s an elite passer (and not being targeted by opponents because the libero next to her is bad doesn’t make her an elite passer). Do the passing numbers, not reception count, support the narrative Orzol is more valuable than a terminating outside being on the floor? VM stats would be nice, and for the record: VM # - .15 = real passer rating If Orzol is only receiving 6 serves a match then her passing #’s are irrelevant. As long as the pin replacing her essentially matches the (poor) passing #’s surrounding her they are more valuable if they can clean up better than her. Ask Stanford. They won a national championship with Plummer passing 1’s and then terminating on her own sh*tty pass. How are the numbers from the last two matches NOT relevant to the question "Someone called Orzol the best passing outside after Nuneviller… Did the last two matches support that narrative?"? You literally asked about "the last two matches"! And them you explain just how they answer the question asked: "If Orzol is only receiving 6 serves a match then her passing #’s are irrelevant." Did the last two matches support that narrative? They neither supported nor countered that narrative; the last two matches were largely irrelevant to your question. That's the point! |
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Post by savannahbadger on Dec 11, 2022 18:19:43 GMT -5
Someone called Orzol the best passing outside after Nuneviller… Did the last two matches support that narrative? She’s the best on the team, but I’m not sure if I’d say elite. If you’re referring to a certain someone who likes to make bold claims (and that Orzol should be playing another position), it might be wise to take those with a grain of salt. |
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Post by robtearle on Dec 11, 2022 18:29:44 GMT -5
Someone called Orzol the best passing outside after Nuneviller… Did the last two matches support that narrative? She’s the best on the team, but I’m not sure if I’d say elite. If you’re referring to a certain someone who likes to make bold claims (and that Orzol should be playing another position), it might be wise to take those with a grain of salt. I'm guessing what this is about is his post from Friday where he was "salivating for the Buzzerio vs Orzol showdown" or some such. I pointed out to him that those two would only be across the net from one another half the time, with the other half of Buzzerio on the court would be across from Franklin. And maybe the Buzzerio vs Orzol or Buzzerio vs Franklin numbers didn't come out the way he expected, so he's trying a different way to criticize Orzol (for whatever motivation.) |
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