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Post by robtearle on Dec 11, 2022 18:41:24 GMT -5
I'm guessing what this is about is his post from Friday where he was "salivating for the Buzzerio vs Orzol showdown" or some such. I pointed out to him that those two would only be across the net from one another half the time, with the other half of Buzzerio on the court would be across from Franklin. And maybe the Buzzerio vs Orzol or Buzzerio vs Franklin numbers didn't come out the way he expected, so he's trying a different way to criticize Orzol (for whatever motivation.) You draw the wildest conclusions that somehow always seem to circle back to yourself when literally nothing is ever about you. Sure. Whatever. |
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Post by avid 2.0 on Dec 11, 2022 18:42:21 GMT -5
None of the above is relevant to my question. The narrative is Orzol is on the floor because she’s an elite passer (and not being targeted by opponents because the libero next to her is bad doesn’t make her an elite passer). Do the passing numbers, not reception count, support the narrative Orzol is more valuable than a terminating outside being on the floor? VM stats would be nice, and for the record: VM # - .15 = real passer rating If Orzol is only receiving 6 serves a match then her passing #’s are irrelevant. As long as the pin replacing her essentially matches the (poor) passing #’s surrounding her they are more valuable if they can clean up better than her. Ask Stanford. They won a national championship with Plummer passing 1’s and then terminating on her own sh*tty pass. the numbers are old but as of a couple weeks ago she was passing 2.14/52.6 good pass percent. jwvolley might be able to give an update |
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Post by savannahbadger on Dec 11, 2022 18:53:41 GMT -5
BingosCharlie Fuerbringer, 5-11 S - Hermosa Beach, CA - Mira Costa HS / Mizuno Long Beach Tosia Serafinowska, 6-4 MB - Wielkopolska, POL - Energa MKS SMS Kalisz Trinity Shadd-Ceres, 5-11 OH - Kitchener, ONT - Cameron Heights Collegiate Institute / KW Predators Lola Schumacher, 5-5 DS - Carmel, IN - Brebeuf Jesuit / Munciana Are these all 2024 recruits? |
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Post by robtearle on Dec 11, 2022 18:54:07 GMT -5
She’s the best on the team, but I’m not sure if I’d say elite. If you’re referring to a certain someone who likes to make bold claims (and that Orzol should be playing another position), it might be wise to take those with a grain of salt. It was uofaGRAD I was referring to, who called Orzol the second best passing outside in the tournament behind Nuneviller (not sure where the other guy drew a made up reference to himself/Buzzerio from, but that seems to be his MO). Knowing Orzol passed under a 2 against Penn State I was interested if she repeated that poor passing performance against Pitt. If so, the implication was she doesn’t add really any value to the floor as a subpar passing, non-terminating outside. Although her stretch of kills in the 5th AFTER they’d already sunk themselves in a hole was very entertaining. As you already observed, correctly, if Ozol is receiving so few serves as she did, her passing numbers on those few balls is largely immaterial. |
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Post by rainbowbadger on Dec 11, 2022 19:16:38 GMT -5
BingosCharlie Fuerbringer, 5-11 S - Hermosa Beach, CA - Mira Costa HS / Mizuno Long Beach Tosia Serafinowska, 6-4 MB - Wielkopolska, POL - Energa MKS SMS Kalisz Trinity Shadd-Ceres, 5-11 OH - Kitchener, ONT - Cameron Heights Collegiate Institute / KW Predators Lola Schumacher, 5-5 DS - Carmel, IN - Brebeuf Jesuit / Munciana Are these all 2024 recruits? Yes |
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Post by uofaGRAD on Dec 11, 2022 19:33:41 GMT -5
She’s the best on the team, but I’m not sure if I’d say elite. If you’re referring to a certain someone who likes to make bold claims (and that Orzol should be playing another position), it might be wise to take those with a grain of salt. It was uofaGRAD I was referring to, who called Orzol the second best passing outside in the tournament behind Nuneviller (not sure where the other guy drew a made up reference to himself/Buzzerio from, but that seems to be his MO). Knowing Orzol passed under a 2 against Penn State I was interested if she repeated that poor passing performance against Pitt. If so, the implication was she doesn’t add really any value to the floor as a subpar passing, non-terminating outside. Although her stretch of kills in the 5th AFTER they’d already sunk themselves in a hole was very entertaining. i think the numbers on the season would back my sentiment. I’m not sure who else would be in the running. Gabby Gonzales? Dalton was out and what was she passing anyways? Idk, I can look it up later. |
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Post by avid 2.0 on Dec 11, 2022 19:34:52 GMT -5
It was uofaGRAD I was referring to, who called Orzol the second best passing outside in the tournament behind Nuneviller (not sure where the other guy drew a made up reference to himself/Buzzerio from, but that seems to be his MO). Knowing Orzol passed under a 2 against Penn State I was interested if she repeated that poor passing performance against Pitt. If so, the implication was she doesn’t add really any value to the floor as a subpar passing, non-terminating outside. Although her stretch of kills in the 5th AFTER they’d already sunk themselves in a hole was very entertaining. i think the numbers on the season would back my sentiment. I’m not sure who else would be in the running. Gabby Gonzales? Dalton was out and what was she passing anyways? Idk, I can look it up later. Rubin? |
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Post by uofaGRAD on Dec 11, 2022 20:12:34 GMT -5
i think the numbers on the season would back my sentiment. I’m not sure who else would be in the running. Gabby Gonzales? Dalton was out and what was she passing anyways? Idk, I can look it up later. Rubin? I’m not by my computer right now but I plan on checking later and posting the stats somewhere. Maybe I’ll find that outside thread. IIRC Rubin had a little adjustment period (like all freshmen) when it comes to passing so her early numbers might hold her season numbers back. |
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Post by savannahbadger on Dec 11, 2022 20:41:59 GMT -5
BingosCharlie Fuerbringer, 5-11 S - Hermosa Beach, CA - Mira Costa HS / Mizuno Long Beach Tosia Serafinowska, 6-4 MB - Wielkopolska, POL - Energa MKS SMS Kalisz Trinity Shadd-Ceres, 5-11 OH - Kitchener, ONT - Cameron Heights Collegiate Institute / KW Predators Lola Schumacher, 5-5 DS - Carmel, IN - Brebeuf Jesuit / Munciana Are these all 2024 recruits? OK. I’m not big on following future recruiting, so I knew the first 3 names but didn’t know when they were coming. Somehow I’ve never heard of Schumacher. It would seem as if a grad transfer would be in order to get some depth/options for MB and/or OH in 2023. |
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Post by badgerbreath on Dec 11, 2022 23:37:32 GMT -5
Someone called Orzol the best passing outside after Nuneviller… Did the last two matches support that narrative? Don’t know who said that but I think it’s pretty well-established that for last season that was Madi Kubik. In the B1G |
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Post by badgerbreath on Dec 11, 2022 23:53:28 GMT -5
As I have said, I thought 2022 would be a year of growing pains. Badgers made a lot more progress than I expected, but they didn't quite get there. Or maybe they did but there was a bit of backsliding right at the end. They need to be more stable match to match. Having Hart probably made them quicker to evolve than they would have been otherwise.
Passing is one problem. Barnes, Clark, even to an extent Bates, had problems passing when they started at libero at UW. They all got a ton better over the following year, and a lot more dependable match to match. I hope GG will follow that pattern, else she is going to be in a fight for that libero spot. If Franklin wants to have an pro career, she needs to get more dependable as well.
They made great strides, but Ashburn and Hammill have a lot of room to improve as well - in their choices as well as their location. I felt Hammill's defense really started to pick up at the end of the year.
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Post by vbzinger on Dec 12, 2022 8:59:43 GMT -5
Just here for the thread.
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Post by SportyBucky on Dec 12, 2022 9:11:16 GMT -5
As I have said, I thought 2022 would be a year of growing pains. Badgers made a lot more progress than I expected, but they didn't quite get there. Or maybe they did but there was a bit of backsliding right at the end. They need to be more stable match to match. Having Hart probably made them quicker to evolve than they would have been otherwise. Passing is one problem. Barnes, Clark, even to an extent Bates, had problems passing when they started at libero at UW. They all got a ton better over the following year, and a lot more dependable match to match. I hope GG will follow that pattern, else she is going to be in a fight for that libero spot. If Franklin wants to have an pro career, she needs to get more dependable as well. Ashburn and Hammill have a lot of room to improve as well - in their choices as well as their location. I felt Hammill's defense really started to pick up at the end of the year. We will have a lot of DSs from which to choose in the portal. I hope we take advantage and actually are able to use them. |
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Post by timmyt on Dec 12, 2022 10:10:32 GMT -5
It was uofaGRAD I was referring to, who called Orzol the second best passing outside in the tournament behind Nuneviller (not sure where the other guy drew a made up reference to himself/Buzzerio from, but that seems to be his MO). Knowing Orzol passed under a 2 against Penn State I was interested if she repeated that poor passing performance against Pitt. If so, the implication was she doesn’t add really any value to the floor as a subpar passing, non-terminating outside. Although her stretch of kills in the 5th AFTER they’d already sunk themselves in a hole was very entertaining. As you already observed, correctly, if Ozol is receiving so few serves as she did, her passing numbers on those few balls is largely immaterial. Is she the best out of a bad situation? She’s better than Franklin and GG. |
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Post by robtearle on Dec 12, 2022 10:24:39 GMT -5
As you already observed, correctly, if Ozol is receiving so few serves as she did, her passing numbers on those few balls is largely immaterial. Is she the best out of a bad situation? She’s better than Franklin and GG. That "bad situation" won the Big Ten championship by three games. SMH... |
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