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Post by badgerbreath on Jan 31, 2023 22:06:39 GMT -5
I'll dig up who in a bit, unless you can refresh my memory. Again, my question was a starter/regular displayed by a transfer. You're saying each of Morey, Clark and Barnes did that? In reverse order in time: -In 2018, Clark was the libero and ME Dodge was the 'primary' DS, When Barnes transferred in in 2019, Clark remained at libero, and while Dodge was maybe not the 'primary' DS, she played in 115 of 116 sets as a DS (as part of the infamous "O-line"). So whether that answer fits my question... - In 2016, Bates played libero primarily, with Haggerty and Gilles the lefts. When Clark transferred in in 2017, she became the libero and Bates went back to playing left side, filling the spot opened by Haggerty's injury. No starter/regular was displaced. - When Morey transferred in in 2013, Hickey was the libero and (except for a handful of matches when Hickey was hurt) Morey played DS. The 'primary' DS in 2012 was Caroline Workman, but she was injured for much of 2013 and her role was taken up by Morey and KT Kvas. (Kvas saw less playing time in 2014, when Sheffield played both lefts six rotation, but that wasn't because of Morey, who moved to libero in 2014). So, injuries and "time" make this a bit more confused, but I don't see Morey costing any regular playing time when she transferred in in 2013. Yeah. This is my memory. At no point would I consider Workman or Kvas, admirable teammates though they were, as primary starters. It's hard to see Bates moving back to OH as a demotion in any sense of the word. I think the transfer of TTA is different. Even Franklin came into a position where there was no set starter left over from the previous year. The closest was Demps who only played BR at the end of the prior year. Somebody has to move for TTA to play where she would be best.
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Post by Wiswell on Jan 31, 2023 22:24:22 GMT -5
All this talk of this displacement overlooks that the transfers are also displacing players who will never get to start because they are replaced by upperclassmen transfers, but who had the talent for it. At some point players are going to aim lower to start and then be the hot transfer.
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Post by robtearle on Jan 31, 2023 23:56:32 GMT -5
I still think Orzol has a major chance to start, for a few reasons: 1. Passing. 2. Passing. 3. Passing. 4. Floor Defense. 5. She is pretty good against single blocks and we have enough depth that we can afford to play a glue OH who doesn't need to beat double blocks consistently. Either TTA or Franklin will get a look at Opposite - they are too good to just let one sit on the bench behind the other, and both already can hit from the right - they both sometimes do already in Rotation 1 (when the opposite is left front). Plus, it gives us more options in case of injury. Last season was actually fairly light injury-wise for UW, despite the temporary setbacks for CC and GG. That being said, there is a world where TTA and Franklin are the OH's and you just rely on always having maximum power and just make passing work the best you can. It worked for Texas last year with Skinner and Eggleston, after all. We don't know how Damrow affects this, but it is a little hard to imagine UW passing at all without Orzol. I've been thinking about it, and the primary question to be asked isn't "which of them is the best left side hitter?" Because UW pays the 6-2 and will quite likely do so in 2023, you absolutely have to have one and most often two six-rotation lefts. So IMO, the first question is "which of them is the best six-rotation left?", and the answer is pretty clearly Orzol. Whether Franklin or TTA is the better 'other' left is one that can be fought out on the court. But I don't think you can survive with serve-receive of GG, Franklin and TTA. And more often than not, you won't be able to afford to DS for one of them. The 6-2 requires six-rotation lefts. And one of them will most likely be Orzol.
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Post by badgerbreath on Feb 1, 2023 0:20:21 GMT -5
We don't know how Damrow affects this, but it is a little hard to imagine UW passing at all without Orzol. I've been thinking about it, and the primary question to be asked isn't "which of them is the best left side hitter?" Because UW pays the 6-2 and will quite likely do so in 2023, you absolutely have to have one and most often two six-rotation lefts. So IMO, the first question is "which of them is the best six-rotation left?", and the answer is pretty clearly Orzol. Whether Franklin or TTA is the better 'other' left is one that can be fought out on the court. But I don't think you can survive with serve-receive of GG, Franklin and TTA. And more often than not, you won't be able to afford to DS for one of them. The 6-2 requires six-rotation lefts. And one of them will most likely be Orzol. This is why I keep thinking one of Franklin or TTA goes to the RS.
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Post by jwvolley on Feb 1, 2023 0:24:58 GMT -5
I've been thinking about it, and the primary question to be asked isn't "which of them is the best left side hitter?" Because UW pays the 6-2 and will quite likely do so in 2023, you absolutely have to have one and most often two six-rotation lefts. So IMO, the first question is "which of them is the best six-rotation left?", and the answer is pretty clearly Orzol. Whether Franklin or TTA is the better 'other' left is one that can be fought out on the court. But I don't think you can survive with serve-receive of GG, Franklin and TTA. And more often than not, you won't be able to afford to DS for one of them. The 6-2 requires six-rotation lefts. And one of them will most likely be Orzol. This is why I keep thinking one of Franklin or TTA goes to the RS. Bye Smrek
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Post by northwoods on Feb 1, 2023 10:03:19 GMT -5
Also, lots of injuries the last few years (Haggerty, Hart, CC, Civita (the last two pretty fortunate they came back), different people with stress fractures. From Sheff's point of view this is a dream. One or even two people get hurt they can keep going quite well. Yeah, recent injuries can't be far from his mind. Injuries and illness have been a serious issue at critical junctures, as indicated by Punzel's book. But TTA has to start. She is a talent like we have never had at outside, and I include Franklin in that, so that is truly saying something. I see TTA sliding into Demps role as a relief hitter when things slow down on court. I’d bet she is totally fine with not being a heavy work load go-to starter after years of doing that at Northwestern. She was wearing down as each season progressed the last few years & if her focus is on playing pro after this season, a relief role that is less taxing on her body may be perfect for her👍
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Post by volleystan on Feb 1, 2023 10:07:49 GMT -5
This is why I keep thinking one of Franklin or TTA goes to the RS. Bye Smrek Is this an honest take or sarcasm
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Post by volleystan on Feb 1, 2023 10:09:39 GMT -5
Yeah, recent injuries can't be far from his mind. Injuries and illness have been a serious issue at critical junctures, as indicated by Punzel's book. But TTA has to start. She is a talent like we have never had at outside, and I include Franklin in that, so that is truly saying something. I see TTA sliding into Demps role as a relief hitter when things slow down on court. I’d bet she is totally fine with not being a heavy work load go-to starter after years of doing that at Northwestern. She was wearing down as each season progressed the last few years & if her focus is on playing pro after this season, a relief role that is less taxing on her body may be perfect for her👍 Agree with this - I think she’ll have to out play Franklin to start. Unless CC sits, Devin shifts to the middle, and therefore a RS spot opens up.
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Post by greenesail on Feb 1, 2023 10:19:54 GMT -5
Some background on TTA:
For what it's worth, it seems like she will be a great teammate who fill fit into the culture well. She also probably will enjoy not being the player who has to carry the team on her back every game. I also thought it was noteworthy that she led the team in kills, aces and digs in her third year. Seems like she has the tools to be a six rotation player.
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Post by stanfordvb on Feb 1, 2023 10:25:15 GMT -5
Yeah, recent injuries can't be far from his mind. Injuries and illness have been a serious issue at critical junctures, as indicated by Punzel's book. But TTA has to start. She is a talent like we have never had at outside, and I include Franklin in that, so that is truly saying something. I see TTA sliding into Demps role as a relief hitter when things slow down on court. I’d bet she is totally fine with not being a heavy work load go-to starter after years of doing that at Northwestern. She was wearing down as each season progressed the last few years & if her focus is on playing pro after this season, a relief role that is less taxing on her body may be perfect for her👍 trust me, tta is probably not 'totally fine' with taking demps role as a non starter who only plays when needed. she's also too good to have that role. match play is not what wears down theses girls bodies either... they're practicing 3 + hours a day 5 days a week... the hour and a half it takes them to play a match is not some huge 'rest' for them. its the difference between playing 15 hours a week instead of 17. bench girls are still playing tons of vb. it would take a starter about 10 matches to get as many reps as a bench player does in just one week of practice.
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Post by robtearle on Feb 1, 2023 10:33:50 GMT -5
Some background on TTA: For what it's worth, it seems like she will be a great teammate who fill fit into the culture well. She also probably will enjoy not being the player who has to carry the team on her back every game. I also thought it was noteworthy that she led the team in kills, aces and digs in her third year. Seems like she has the tools to be a six rotation player. On the 'transfer tea' comment thread, user "vbcoach06" posted this in response to my request for passing numbers (thanks to him/her): "In 2021, Franklin passed a 2.05 on 786 attempts. TTA was a 1.90/441. Orzol in 2022 was a 2.15/532. FWIW, TTA passed exactly a 1.90 this year as well, albeit on FAR less attempts. Franklin was 2.07/635 in 2022."
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Post by badgerbreath on Feb 1, 2023 10:35:11 GMT -5
This is why I keep thinking one of Franklin or TTA goes to the RS. Bye Smrek It's possible that Smrek stays out Right and Robinson moves to middle. Given how spotty the setting was last year, I would not be surprised if there were some platooning to get a combination that works on the day.
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Post by robtearle on Feb 1, 2023 10:43:42 GMT -5
It's possible that Smrek stays out Right and Robinson moves to middle. Given how spotty the setting was last year, I would not be surprised if there were some platooning to get a combination that works on the day. And Carter Booth is on the bench?
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Post by badgerbreath on Feb 1, 2023 10:46:07 GMT -5
I wonder, when Sheffield is recruiting a transfer player with a high profile, like Franklin and TTA, if he has an idea already formed about how the team will adapt to their presence, and if that ever comes up in conversations with the player during recruitment. Or does he just roll out the red carpet and waits until he gets the team in the gym to have any such ideas.
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Post by Kingsley on Feb 1, 2023 11:03:14 GMT -5
It's possible that Smrek stays out Right and Robinson moves to middle. Given how spotty the setting was last year, I would not be surprised if there were some platooning to get a combination that works on the day. And Carter Booth is on the bench? Crawford
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