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Post by deepsouthfan on Jan 10, 2023 10:27:28 GMT -5
Interesting time to announce retirement, and not in a good way. What would be a good way? |
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Post by bvolley17 on Jan 10, 2023 10:32:01 GMT -5
I've got 5 good candidates: C Crawford (sort of local, great recruiter) E Dillard (lots of potential) E Herman-Kimball (she has done pretty well at a school that players don't want to go to) H Olmstead (that might increase the Duke UNC rivalry) B Starky (amazing history and time for him to go D1) I have for a longtime thought about Heather Olmstead, but I doubt she'd ever leave BYU. If she did, I'm assuming she'd be keyed in to a Big 10 position. |
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Post by bvolley17 on Jan 10, 2023 10:32:43 GMT -5
Here's a question: Is Michigan or UNC the better job? Michigan is in the Big 10, but with UNC's brand (Michigan also has a really strong brand) and its historical success in the ACC, along with the rise of the ACC in the past few years. Which is more attractive?
I love Carolina, but I'd assume Michigan, right? Because of the conference? But does UNC get better recruiting classes?
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Post by gibbyb1 on Jan 10, 2023 10:42:41 GMT -5
Interesting time to announce retirement, and not in a good way. What would be a good way? Announce prior to several good coaches accepted jobs at other schools that may not be as attractive maybe? |
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Post by gibbyb1 on Jan 10, 2023 10:44:18 GMT -5
Here's a question: Is Michigan or UNC the better job? Michigan is in the Big 10, but with UNC's brand (Michigan also has a really strong brand) and its historical success in the ACC, along with the rise of the ACC in the past few years. Which is more attractive? I love Carolina, but I'd assume Michigan, right? Because of the conference? But does UNC get better recruiting classes? You could make the argument for both. I think both could be consistent top 20 programs, and share lots in common. |
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Post by volleyheels10 on Jan 10, 2023 11:04:54 GMT -5
Both are good schools. I think you could argue that Michigan has more stable success vs UNC program with a year or 2 of above average results. I could argue that UNC has had higher ranked recruiting classes the last decade. I think the ACC has vastly improved and that helps UNC.
Ultimately, when coaches are locating, UNC and Michigan areas, climates, and environments are vastly different. So that could play a role in where a coach wants to settle his/her family. Personally I am going with the fact it can be 70 in Chapel Hill on any given winter day LOL
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Post by gogophers on Jan 10, 2023 11:08:20 GMT -5
Here's a question: Is Michigan or UNC the better job? Michigan is in the Big 10, but with UNC's brand (Michigan also has a really strong brand) and its historical success in the ACC, along with the rise of the ACC in the past few years. Which is more attractive? I love Carolina, but I'd assume Michigan, right? Because of the conference? But does UNC get better recruiting classes? The one that pays more. |
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Post by JustInCase on Jan 10, 2023 11:59:40 GMT -5
Here's a question: Is Michigan or UNC the better job? Michigan is in the Big 10, but with UNC's brand (Michigan also has a really strong brand) and its historical success in the ACC, along with the rise of the ACC in the past few years. Which is more attractive? I love Carolina, but I'd assume Michigan, right? Because of the conference? But does UNC get better recruiting classes? The one that pays more. Which is Michigan by a long shot. North Carolina pays in the lower half of the conference. The conference on average doesn't pay as well as the BIG10. It's Carolina, so a lot of people will be interested. A lot of people will turn it down unless they pay considerably more and promise for major upgrades on facilities and budget. |
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Post by gibbyb1 on Jan 10, 2023 12:01:16 GMT -5
Here's a question: Is Michigan or UNC the better job? Michigan is in the Big 10, but with UNC's brand (Michigan also has a really strong brand) and its historical success in the ACC, along with the rise of the ACC in the past few years. Which is more attractive? I love Carolina, but I'd assume Michigan, right? Because of the conference? But does UNC get better recruiting classes? Who’s women’s programs top to bottom perform better? The answer to that would tell you you an awful lot. |
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Post by vbcoltrane on Jan 10, 2023 12:06:30 GMT -5
Here's a question: Is Michigan or UNC the better job? Michigan is in the Big 10, but with UNC's brand (Michigan also has a really strong brand) and its historical success in the ACC, along with the rise of the ACC in the past few years. Which is more attractive? I love Carolina, but I'd assume Michigan, right? Because of the conference? But does UNC get better recruiting classes? Who’s women’s programs top to bottom perform better? The answer to that would tell you you an awful lot. Aren't they both VERY good across the board in women's sports. UNC has more championships I believe, but just off the top of my head I recall a lot of high performing, highly ranked women's teams at both schools. |
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Post by deepsouthfan on Jan 10, 2023 14:33:45 GMT -5
What would be a good way? Announce prior to several good coaches accepted jobs at other schools that may not be as attractive maybe? No…. When you’re at the helm and done so much for the program you announce whenever you damn please. It is up to the school to bring in the best person for the job. That has nothing to do with timing. |
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Post by gibbyb1 on Jan 10, 2023 15:58:26 GMT -5
Announce prior to several good coaches accepted jobs at other schools that may not be as attractive maybe? No…. When you’re at the helm and done so much for the program you announce whenever you damn please. It is up to the school to bring in the best person for the job. That has nothing to do with timing. I’m not trying to diminish the job he’s done, I also think he’s a wonderful person. I do however think there’s a significant difference in announcing at seasons end opposed to now. |
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Post by HeyHey on Jan 10, 2023 16:11:32 GMT -5
At that point UNC would have a 6-0 lefty setter with two years of experience (if Babic stays, of course). Babic was a top-15 recruit and started playing well as the year went on, and has a tremendous upside if she can learn to attack consistently at the net while running the offense. I cannot imagine a coach would have a setter come in for one year and take the ball out of the hand of a very good and capable setter in the middle of their career. I understand 6-0" is not 6-3", but that would be a stretch IMO. Sure, that makes sense. Was just seeing it from Mel's side, not necessarily UNC's side.
I do hope the Houk's are considered for this, I think this could be a good fit. They'd bring in a very good culture and I think that would be highly beneficial to UNC right now.
Are the Houks a package deal? That seems weird to me. |
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Post by undercoverheel on Jan 10, 2023 16:12:24 GMT -5
If I'm the UNC admin...my first call is to someone already in my state. What Chris Willis has done at Davidson has been nothing short of remarkable. 100% wanting Mike to have a fair shot at this. In general though I do agree about looking at other-level successful head coaches for some of these other openings (I mean, Dan Fisher is the prime example for that). For sure managing a program from the 1st chair is something that cannot be replicated—you don’t know till you know. And if you have someone with proven success at managing a program well, then they should have at least a slight advantage over anyone whose management skills are still an unknown due to never having been in that first chair. On the other hand, a head coach who has been at a mid-major since pre-Covid but who lands a P5 head job will have a significantly steep learning curve in managing the transfer portal at that higher level and especially at managing the NIL landscape, etc. A good manager-head-coach will be able to acclimate just fine (through smart hires or through utilizing resources/colleagues). I feel a head coach who is used to being able to micro-run everything in their “smaller” program may become overwhelmed at the even greater amount of off-court responsibilities, politics, considerations and “distractions” that come with a P5 job. |
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Post by bkedane on Jan 10, 2023 16:30:16 GMT -5
No…. When you’re at the helm and done so much for the program you announce whenever you damn please. It is up to the school to bring in the best person for the job. That has nothing to do with timing. I’m not trying to diminish the job he’s done, I also think he’s a wonderful person. I do however think there’s a significant difference in announcing at seasons end opposed to now. The search started before the public announcement. |
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