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Post by moderndaycoach on Jan 23, 2023 8:59:27 GMT -5
I think its up to their parents to talk to them about that and explain. your Childs school teachers are not responsible for educating them about sexuality or relationships when they can't even divide numbers yet imo lol. I dont think its as simple as 'Florida doesn't want kids to know gay people exist', maybe its just not the teachers job to be in charge of educating young kids about that. I dont think I would want a first grade teacher to be talking to my hypothetical 6 year old about different sexualities or orientations, but maybe thats just me. not because im anti-anything, but bc I think thats not their teachers place. a simple "some people have two moms or two dads and thats perfectly fine" and then moving on with the lesson plan should suffice if any questions arise from or about a child in the classroom, the rest of that conversation belongs at home imo. most teachers actually dont want to talk to their 5-8 year old students about sexual orientation and identity in detail because they feel uncomfortable doing so, which they probably should lol. middle school and high school is fine to talk more deeply about topics like this, but while a child still believes in the tooth fairy I dont think its ridiculous to not go into detail about sexuality, I actually think its incredibly unnecessary You don't talk to first grades about the birds and bees. So you also don't talk to them about the birds and the birds, or bees and bees. You talk to them about some people have two mommies and some people have two daddies. Which Florida law forbids. There are a lot of people who assume that kids get all their age-inappropriate knowledge from school. No, that's what the Internet is for, and I guarantee you schools are monitoring that much better than parents are. If you think for a second I trust whatever random first grade teacher to have a non biased, correctly informed, mature (albeit a first grader is the furthest thing from) conversation about how two people of the same sex can love each other, than you are out of your mind. There is a reason none of us had sex ed until at minimum 5th grade. Allowing 100's of teachers the ability to talk about this topic without strict guidelines and consequences if they wavered from it, while having no idea if they did because no way your first grader will relay it properly, is literally like putting a pipe bomb in a teachers hands. These conversations are highly inappropriate for anyone other than the children's parents to be having with them before the minimum of 10 years old.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2023 9:41:58 GMT -5
You don't talk to first grades about the birds and bees. So you also don't talk to them about the birds and the birds, or bees and bees. You talk to them about some people have two mommies and some people have two daddies. Which Florida law forbids. There are a lot of people who assume that kids get all their age-inappropriate knowledge from school. No, that's what the Internet is for, and I guarantee you schools are monitoring that much better than parents are. If you think for a second I trust whatever random first grade teacher to have a non biased, correctly informed, mature (albeit a first grader is the furthest thing from) conversation about how two people of the same sex can love each other, than you are out of your mind. There is a reason none of us had sex ed until at minimum 5th grade. Allowing 100's of teachers the ability to talk about this topic without strict guidelines and consequences if they wavered from it, while having no idea if they did because no way your first grader will relay it properly, is literally like putting a pipe bomb in a teachers hands. These conversations are highly inappropriate for anyone other than the children's parents to be having with them before the minimum of 10 years old. Actually, you did have sex-ed before 5th grade. You just were not aware of it, nor was it political. Were you taught before age 11 that it is inappropriate for other people to touch your private parts? Yes? That's sex ed. At some point before that age, did you notice women get pregnant? Was it explained that that's how babies are developed? That's sex ed. Sex ed is a good thing. Politics is about hyperbole and anger rather than facts. It's the same thing with the argument about Tampa and the Final Four. There are logical reasons to move it, there are reasonable ones to keep it there. Few people are interested in reason.
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Post by moderndaycoach on Jan 23, 2023 10:06:02 GMT -5
If you think for a second I trust whatever random first grade teacher to have a non biased, correctly informed, mature (albeit a first grader is the furthest thing from) conversation about how two people of the same sex can love each other, than you are out of your mind. There is a reason none of us had sex ed until at minimum 5th grade. Allowing 100's of teachers the ability to talk about this topic without strict guidelines and consequences if they wavered from it, while having no idea if they did because no way your first grader will relay it properly, is literally like putting a pipe bomb in a teachers hands. These conversations are highly inappropriate for anyone other than the children's parents to be having with them before the minimum of 10 years old. Actually, you did have sex-ed before 5th grade. You just were not aware of it, nor was it political. Were you taught before age 11 that it is inappropriate for other people to touch your private parts? Yes? That's sex ed. At some point before that age, did you notice women get pregnant? Was it explained that that's how babies are developed? That's sex ed. Sex ed is a good thing. Politics is about hyperbole and anger rather than facts. It's the same thing with the argument about Tampa and the Final Four. There are logical reasons to move it, there are reasonable ones to keep it there. Few people are interested in reason. Yes, and it was taught to and explained by my parents as it should have been. Not by some sub 25 adult child that still doesn't have a fully developed brain pushing their ideologies, on either side of the political spectrum, to someone who should be learning how to do multiplication tables and write in cursive. EDIT: It actually doesn't matter, if the last 7 years have shown us anything, it can be that a 12 year olds to 60 year olds and everyone inbetween can be just as mentally broken and immature regarding these and other issues.
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Post by tablealgebra on Jan 23, 2023 10:19:25 GMT -5
You don't talk to first grades about the birds and bees. So you also don't talk to them about the birds and the birds, or bees and bees. You talk to them about some people have two mommies and some people have two daddies. Which Florida law forbids. There are a lot of people who assume that kids get all their age-inappropriate knowledge from school. No, that's what the Internet is for, and I guarantee you schools are monitoring that much better than parents are. If you think for a second I trust whatever random first grade teacher to have a non biased, correctly informed, mature (albeit a first grader is the furthest thing from) conversation about how two people of the same sex can love each other, than you are out of your mind. There is a reason none of us had sex ed until at minimum 5th grade. Allowing 100's of teachers the ability to talk about this topic without strict guidelines and consequences if they wavered from it, while having no idea if they did because no way your first grader will relay it properly, is literally like putting a pipe bomb in a teachers hands. These conversations are highly inappropriate for anyone other than the children's parents to be having with them before the minimum of 10 years old. Seeing that you didn't respond to the content of what I said but instead responded to what you feared that I might have said - some really poor conversational skills coming through - I don't see much reason to trust your evaluation of who should be leading conversations.
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Post by moderndaycoach on Jan 23, 2023 10:30:29 GMT -5
If you think for a second I trust whatever random first grade teacher to have a non biased, correctly informed, mature (albeit a first grader is the furthest thing from) conversation about how two people of the same sex can love each other, than you are out of your mind. There is a reason none of us had sex ed until at minimum 5th grade. Allowing 100's of teachers the ability to talk about this topic without strict guidelines and consequences if they wavered from it, while having no idea if they did because no way your first grader will relay it properly, is literally like putting a pipe bomb in a teachers hands. These conversations are highly inappropriate for anyone other than the children's parents to be having with them before the minimum of 10 years old. Seeing that you didn't respond to the content of what I said but instead responded to what you feared that I might have said - some really poor conversational skills coming through - I don't see much reason to trust your evaluation of who should be leading conversations. There is no chance the schools are monitoring it better than the parents are. And Florida is forbidding it from being talked about in grades k-3, big difference. And no need to question anything regarding my conversational skills when you think it is ok to let randoms be in control of teaching your children about these conversations in an appropriate matter they understand, without bias inserted. Sure, a couple teachers may be responsible enough to do it correctly, but there is literally no way to ensure a uniformed conversation and curriculum is followed. So therefore there is no reason to even let it be allowed.
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Post by mplssetter on Jan 23, 2023 10:38:40 GMT -5
Why hasn't this thread been moved to Off the Net?
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Post by socalvbhomer on Jan 23, 2023 12:23:32 GMT -5
There’s NO logical reason to move it - just stop Move this waste of a post to off the net if not in the trash If you think for a second I trust whatever random first grade teacher to have a non biased, correctly informed, mature (albeit a first grader is the furthest thing from) conversation about how two people of the same sex can love each other, than you are out of your mind. There is a reason none of us had sex ed until at minimum 5th grade. Allowing 100's of teachers the ability to talk about this topic without strict guidelines and consequences if they wavered from it, while having no idea if they did because no way your first grader will relay it properly, is literally like putting a pipe bomb in a teachers hands. These conversations are highly inappropriate for anyone other than the children's parents to be having with them before the minimum of 10 years old. Actually, you did have sex-ed before 5th grade. You just were not aware of it, nor was it political. Were you taught before age 11 that it is inappropriate for other people to touch your private parts? Yes? That's sex ed. At some point before that age, did you notice women get pregnant? Was it explained that that's how babies are developed? That's sex ed. Sex ed is a good thing. Politics is about hyperbole and anger rather than facts. It's the same thing with the argument about Tampa and the Final Four. There are logical reasons to move it, there are reasonable ones to keep it there. Few people are interested in reason.
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Post by stanfordvb on Jan 23, 2023 13:28:26 GMT -5
y'all know how many k-3 teachers are below 30 right??? often times they are 2-3 years out of college... ill pass on some 26 year old, who's upbringing and background I have no knowledge of, to teach my children about sexuality. what they learn or hear from classmate chatter and little kids being little kids is gonna happen, but I would like to be in charge of clarifying or explaining any questions they might have about what they heard or were unintentionally exposed to. not their teacher who probably doesn't have kids that age and probably won't be as educated on these things as a 35-45 year old parent is
im still confused on how people genuinely want some teacher to speak to their 5-8 year old children about sexuality. like you all actually want that for your own children that early on ?
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Post by volleyball90 on Jan 23, 2023 14:00:44 GMT -5
y'all know how many k-3 teachers are below 30 right??? often times they are 2-3 years out of college... ill pass on some 26 year old, who's upbringing and background I have no knowledge of, to teach my children about sexuality. what they learn or hear from classmate chatter and little kids being little kids is gonna happen, but I would like to be in charge of clarifying or explaining any questions they might have about what they heard or were unintentionally exposed to. not their teacher who probably doesn't have kids that age and probably won't be as educated on these things as a 35-45 year old parent is im still confused on how people genuinely want some teacher to speak to their 5-8 year old children about sexuality. like you all actually want that for your own children that early on ? Based on some of comments I've read in this thread, yeah, I'd probably rather have the teachers talk to them rather than their parents.
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Post by moderndaycoach on Jan 23, 2023 14:09:13 GMT -5
y'all know how many k-3 teachers are below 30 right??? often times they are 2-3 years out of college... ill pass on some 26 year old, who's upbringing and background I have no knowledge of, to teach my children about sexuality. what they learn or hear from classmate chatter and little kids being little kids is gonna happen, but I would like to be in charge of clarifying or explaining any questions they might have about what they heard or were unintentionally exposed to. not their teacher who probably doesn't have kids that age and probably won't be as educated on these things as a 35-45 year old parent is im still confused on how people genuinely want some teacher to speak to their 5-8 year old children about sexuality. like you all actually want that for your own children that early on ? Based on some of comments I've read in this thread, yeah, I'd probably rather have the teachers talk to them rather than their parents. Based on some of the comments I've read in this thread, I would probably assume most of the people speaking in favor of someone other than the parents teaching kids about sexuality that young, in fact do not have kids nor are mature enough to understand why it would be a problem.
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Post by stanfordvb on Jan 23, 2023 14:24:45 GMT -5
Based on some of comments I've read in this thread, yeah, I'd probably rather have the teachers talk to them rather than their parents. Based on some of the comments I've read in this thread, I would probably assume most of the people speaking in favor of someone other than the parents teaching kids about sexuality that young, in fact do not have kids nor are mature enough to understand why it would be a problem. exactly. Id imagine the percentage of parents with kids aged 5-8 that would be okay with this is incredibly low. but who cares what they think we need to listen to the woke 20-30 year olds who dont have children !!
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Post by joetrinsey on Jan 23, 2023 16:07:06 GMT -5
Leave your politics at home, there are volleyball fans in Florida too. If you want to join the political discussion go argue with the left/right extremist crazies over at off the net. It's not "extremist" to comment on the radical changes being carried out in Florida's k-12 and higher education, and their intended effects on universities, professors, students and student-athletes.
Saying nothing is actually saying something, too..."This is fine with me." So is that the message from the NCAA and AVCA?
I agree that it's not extremist to comment on changes you disagree with.
I disagree that saying nothing is saying something. That is totalitarian. You're with us or against us. I'd urge you to reconsider that framing.
I will only relate personal experiences taking part in international volleyball competition as a member of a coaching staff of 2 different national teams. If we are just talking specifically about the 2 issues raised relevant to this discussion as they compare to Florida, I have participated in competition in quite a few countries that are have objectively worse laws right now than the (dumb) Stop Woke or Don't Say Gay acts going on in Florida.
Brazil, Bulgaria, China, Italy, Japan, Peru, Serbia, Russia, Thailand, Turkey, Vietnam
Should I have refused to travel to many of the above countries who have greater restrictions on same-sex marriage or adoption than Florida? (I'm not saying that everybody has the same answer to that question, it's a legitimate question.) (Edit: I am in no way saying that these countries are better/worse than Florida or anything about the people that live in them. I'm talking about laws and practices by their state governments.)
This summer, I participated in competition against Iran. Iran is right now committing absolutely horrific human rights crimes. That's wrong! Should I have refused to participate against them? I guess if things were bad enough, maybe so. Russia has been banned from FIVB competition. But personally, I find it dehumanizing to lump the members of the Iranian volleyball team in with the actions of the Iranian state. They are a group of individuals with different viewpoints- including likely some that even agree with the government action. But nonetheless, the Iranian players are not solely responsible for the actions of their government. And even if they were, I believe that sports allow us interaction with people that we might normally see as "the other," or with people that might see us that way.
I dunno... it's tough. Certainly there's lines that can be crossed. No disagreement there. And for anybody who feels their line has been crossed? Okay, I certainly respect that. What I disagree with is the, you're-with-us-or-against-us, framing.
Integrated teams playing all-white teams helped integrate college sports. Should USC have refused to play Alabama in Alabama in 1970? Or should they have gone to Alabama and crushed them like they did? I would never say those players shouldn't have been allowed to speak out. And if USC chose to cancel the game, okay, I could understand that too. But it may be that the urge to win a short-term battle might lose you the war. And I think we should be mindful of that as well.
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Post by mediawatcher on Jan 24, 2023 16:28:21 GMT -5
Didn't say they were extremists for pointing out politics they don't care for or have been lead to believe are happening in Florida, just that they could go join the extremist nutjobs over on off the net. However, I could see how you may think of them for being an extremist for wanting to move an entire championship series over something they don't like, because that does sound bonkers. People use playing and watching sports as an escape from things they already have to deal with everyday in life. There is little to no reason to start inciting a riot or revolt that could potentially hinder us getting to watch the pinnacle event in our sport as we are all pretty big fans. You could go state by state and start listing problems and reasons to not have volleyball there. -Minnesota has one of the most notable police killings in recent memory, why did Minnesota not boycott volleyball until that dude is dead? -California is now arresting shop owners that have repeatedly called about a homeless person flinging poop at people when they walk by and yelling at them yet when they took it into their own hands they finally responded, they also forced unconstitutional lockdowns and mask requirements while their politicians didn't follow a single rule and made excuses when caught, why are we still playing volleyball there? -Nebraska is one of the most reliable republican states there is, backing a democratic president only once since 1936, yet I would vote to have the final four there every year in perpetuity due to the turnout and environment they provide. Just saying leave your political bias and hypocrisy at home or within off the net and enjoy the game we all love. Nebraska stinks and I would vote to never have it in that state ever again if it was up to me. <3 Nebraska stinks and I would vote to never have it in that state ever again if it was up to me, says the TEXAS Shill "eoTexas5". What a surprise comment. Good one.
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Post by mikegarrison on Jan 24, 2023 18:29:02 GMT -5
At least teachers are trained and certified to educate young children. Generally speaking, the only qualification that parents have is that they themselves had sex.
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Post by moderndaycoach on Jan 24, 2023 19:39:18 GMT -5
At least teachers are trained and certified to educate young children. Generally speaking, the only qualification that parents have is that they themselves had sex. That absolutely does not mean they are responsible enough to understand what is an appropriate conversation regarding that topic in school without the consent of parents, nor does it mean they are mature enough to leave their personal ideologies out of the conversation. "That 16 year old was trained and certified to operate a motor vehicle and everything should be extremely fresh in their mind. Generally speaking, although you qualified to operate a motor vehicle a long time ago - it was actually your fault they t-boned you in an intersection."
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