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Post by dodger on Jan 24, 2023 21:20:54 GMT -5
At least teachers are trained and certified to educate young children. Generally speaking, the only qualification that parents have is that they themselves had sex. That absolutely does not mean they are responsible enough to understand what is an appropriate conversation regarding that topic in school without the consent of parents, nor does it mean they are mature enough to leave their personal ideologies out of the conversation. "That 16 year old was trained and certified to operate a motor vehicle and everything should be extremely fresh in their mind. Generally speaking, although you qualified to operate a motor vehicle a long time ago - it was actually your fault they t-boned you in an intersection." Well i cant say what should and shouldnt be taught: but all of these courses have a comprehensive curriculum, books charts , lesson plans, etc, etc. and a certified teacher no matter there age is qualified to teach! Parents are welcome to attend classes, ask for copies of bools and lessons and are surey welcome to help there child with there home work on this subject. But my observation is that they use the word “sex” in the title and alot of us (moderndaycoach, and others) hear that and wow! I would ask are you afraid that if an elementary school age child learns its wrong to be touched inappropriately by an adult, there would be a drop in incrst, priests, boy scout leaders and coaches who touch inappropriately for fear of being reported by educated kids? Research supports most of this. And calling someone “woke” as a bullying tctic shows you might need some education yourslef! Have not proof read ao hope its not mis-interpreted ! Cest’ la vie
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Post by stanfordvb on Jan 24, 2023 22:43:37 GMT -5
At least teachers are trained and certified to educate young children. Generally speaking, the only qualification that parents have is that they themselves had sex. I just find it hard to understand how anyone is better trained and certified to talk about sex to 8 year olds. shouldn't be talking to them about that at all in the first place
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Post by stanfordvb on Jan 24, 2023 22:50:01 GMT -5
That absolutely does not mean they are responsible enough to understand what is an appropriate conversation regarding that topic in school without the consent of parents, nor does it mean they are mature enough to leave their personal ideologies out of the conversation. "That 16 year old was trained and certified to operate a motor vehicle and everything should be extremely fresh in their mind. Generally speaking, although you qualified to operate a motor vehicle a long time ago - it was actually your fault they t-boned you in an intersection." I would ask are you afraid that if an elementary school age child learns its wrong to be touched inappropriately by an adult, there would be a drop in incrst, priests, boy scout leaders and coaches who touch inappropriately for fear of being reported by educated kids? Research supports most of this. \ Have not proof read ao hope its not mis-interpreted ! Cest’ la vie thats the 'good touch bad touch' which is not what people are advocating for. that talk comes for pretty much every young child through their school and often times at home as well. this is about going into detail and making sexuality / sexual orientation and identity apart of the ciriculum. florida has deemed that kids k-3 (ages 5-9) should not have any sort of 'lesson' about these things which I think is completely reasonable. there is no need for kids that young to learn about these things, they are incredibly impressionable and stuff like this being introduced to elementary education would do more harm than good in the long run. let them learn their times tables before we start talking about sex
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2023 23:22:30 GMT -5
I know of some parents who are VERY immature and have visited some of these types whilest they talk about things of a sexual nature in a totally innapropriate way in front of their children. So the thought that parents are always the best to discuss sexual education to their kids is totally not correct. I see no problem with providing factual information to adolescents as the same was done to me when I was that age.
This isn't an ADVOCACY. This is a presentation of factual information. Just because some of the moralists are offended should not preclude vital information from getting to the youth when they need it the most!
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Post by dodger on Jan 25, 2023 0:57:55 GMT -5
I would ask are you afraid that if an elementary school age child learns its wrong to be touched inappropriately by an adult, there would be a drop in incrst, priests, boy scout leaders and coaches who touch inappropriately for fear of being reported by educated kids? Research supports most of this. \ Have not proof read ao hope its not mis-interpreted ! Cest’ la vie thats the 'good touch bad touch' which is not what people are advocating for. that talk comes for pretty much every young child through their school and often times at home as well. this is about going into detail and making sexuality / sexual orientation and identity apart of the ciriculum. florida has deemed that kids k-3 (ages 5-9) should not have any sort of 'lesson' about these things which I think is completely reasonable. there is no need for kids that young to learn about these things, they are incredibly impressionable and stuff like this being introduced to elementary education would do more harm than good in the long run. let them learn their times tables before we start talking about sex No stanford Bob it isnt: good read the curriculum, the work books, the year to year constructed information: its factual information of what is: not philosophies here just solid information: and there is solid research about the benefits or dangers of same. Stop waisting our time with opinion and go do some reading and find some real answers to your opinions! And here this ends my take on this subject!
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Post by stanfordvb on Jan 25, 2023 2:56:46 GMT -5
I know of some parents who are VERY immature and have visited some of these types whilest they talk about things of a sexual nature in a totally innapropriate way in front of their children. So the thought that parents are always the best to discuss sexual education to their kids is totally not correct. I see no problem with providing factual information to adolescents as the same was done to me when I was that age. This isn't an ADVOCACY. This is a presentation of factual information. Just because some of the moralists are offended should not preclude vital information from getting to the youth when they need it the most! to 5-8 year olds though? you really think this is a necessary subject for them to be talking about in school at that age? I dont see an upside to informing kids that young about sex its completely unnecessary. why not wait until they're 11 or 12 and have far more developed brains and are far less impressionable
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2023 6:13:30 GMT -5
At least teachers are trained and certified to educate young children. Generally speaking, the only qualification that parents have is that they themselves had sex. Like parents teach sex at home. If older posters were honest, they would admit they learned most of what they know from talking with friends with older siblings in the lunch room of 5th or 6th grade. If they are young posters, they learned from surfing the internet before 'parental restrictions' could be placed on computers.
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Post by n00b on Jan 25, 2023 7:58:04 GMT -5
This isn't an ADVOCACY. This is a presentation of factual information. Just because some of the moralists are offended should not preclude vital information from getting to the youth when they need it the most! There’s no way of knowing this. Do you think the ‘presentation’ by an evangelical Christian 2nd grade teacher would be the same as a ‘presentation’ by a queer feminist 22 year old non-binary teacher?
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Post by bluepenquin on Jan 25, 2023 9:00:30 GMT -5
At least teachers are trained and certified to educate young children. Generally speaking, the only qualification that parents have is that they themselves had sex. Like parents teach sex at home. If older posters were honest, they would admit they learned most of what they know from talking with friends with older siblings in the lunch room of 5th or 6th grade. If they are young posters, they learned from surfing the internet before 'parental restrictions' could be placed on computers. The question is whether sex education should be taught by teachers in schools to 6-9 year old kids (which I believe is before 5th or 6th grade). The question is not who is better equipped to teach sex education.
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Post by moderndaycoach on Jan 25, 2023 9:03:46 GMT -5
That absolutely does not mean they are responsible enough to understand what is an appropriate conversation regarding that topic in school without the consent of parents, nor does it mean they are mature enough to leave their personal ideologies out of the conversation. "That 16 year old was trained and certified to operate a motor vehicle and everything should be extremely fresh in their mind. Generally speaking, although you qualified to operate a motor vehicle a long time ago - it was actually your fault they t-boned you in an intersection." Well i cant say what should and shouldnt be taught: but all of these courses have a comprehensive curriculum, books charts , lesson plans, etc, etc. and a certified teacher no matter there age is qualified to teach! Parents are welcome to attend classes, ask for copies of bools and lessons and are surey welcome to help there child with there home work on this subject. But my observation is that they use the word “sex” in the title and alot of us (moderndaycoach, and others) hear that and wow! I would ask are you afraid that if an elementary school age child learns its wrong to be touched inappropriately by an adult, there would be a drop in incrst, priests, boy scout leaders and coaches who touch inappropriately for fear of being reported by educated kids? Research supports most of this. And calling someone “woke” as a bullying tctic shows you might need some education yourslef! Have not proof read ao hope its not mis-interpreted ! Cest’ la vie We have seen thousands of teachers bragging about what they are trying to teach kids under 10 in their classroom that literally have no idea what teachers are talking about because the subject is completely inappropriate for them to be having at that age with anyone other than their parents. There are no doubt 100% great teachers that stay in their lane and know how to do their job professionally by strictly staying on the curriculum without inserting their own ideologies. But parents can't just leave their day jobs to sit in a classroom and make sure what some potential politically extreme leaner from either side is talking about in class is appropriate, that is why there is a law being put in place. Based off the thousands of teachers ready and willing to share online the inappropriate ways they are handling the topic, and simultaneously getting extremely upset when people call them out and share the thing they already shared publicly, it shows we have a huge problem. It has now become a brag about how they are the one that will teach your child about these topics their way when the parents/guardians of a kid that age are the only one that should be having that conversation No one is freaking out over the the word sex, and while I know there are responsible teachers that remind very little children that private parts are private and keep the conversation to that, we have seen proof that the majority of these new age teachers are incapable and doing that, and proud for it. Parents teach their kids this already at a young age, so are you implying some sort of victim blaming because an ADULT took advantage of a CHILD that trusted them and somehow it is the parents fault or because we didn't first grade teachers have the approval to discuss this topic as they feel and beyond? Disgusting. I have not called anyone woke in this thread, I have simply stuck to the facts and pointed out how often people are sharing just straight up falsities to improve their biased argument. Proving that misinformed activism is the absolute worst kind even when those sharing the falsities have been corrected multiple times then continue to do so. Plain and simple, if you are ok with a first grader being told that they may not be a boy or girl, or that they can have surgery to fix that, that boys can have periods, schedule a drag show and discuss what is happening, or encourage them to keep these conversations from their parents because they may disagree - you probably have lost site that these are young and impressionable kids that trust this very immature person they see everyday, and need to really take a look in the mirror for some self reflection and think about where you lost your sense of right and wrong.
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Post by moderndaycoach on Jan 25, 2023 9:11:26 GMT -5
I know of some parents who are VERY immature and have visited some of these types whilest they talk about things of a sexual nature in a totally innapropriate way in front of their children. So the thought that parents are always the best to discuss sexual education to their kids is totally not correct. I see no problem with providing factual information to adolescents as the same was done to me when I was that age. This isn't an ADVOCACY. This is a presentation of factual information. Just because some of the moralists are offended should not preclude vital information from getting to the youth when they need it the most! The amount of immature parents compared the amount of teachers ready and willing to share their ideologies on young impressionable children do not pale in comparison. There are far more immature teachers that are very unwilling and/or unable to keep their opinion and ideologies out of the curriculum, hence a law needing to be put in place. Kids under 10 do not need to be having these conversations, and if I remember correctly even when sex ed comes around in 5th/6th parents have to sign a consent form anyways informing them it will be taught in that semester and they understand it is happening.
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Post by vbman100 on Jan 25, 2023 9:41:00 GMT -5
We have seen thousands of teachers bragging about what they are trying to teach kids under 10 in their classroom that literally have no idea what teachers are talking about because the subject is completely inappropriate for them to be having at that age with anyone other than their parents. Based off the thousands of teachers ready and willing to share online the inappropriate ways they are handling the topic, and simultaneously getting extremely upset when people call them out and share the thing they already shared publicly, it shows we have a huge problem. It has now become a brag about how they are the one that will teach your child about these topics their way when the parents/guardians of a kid that age are the only one that should be having that conversation Plain and simple, if you are ok with a first grader being told that they may not be a boy or girl, or that they can have surgery to fix that, that boys can have periods, schedule a drag show and discuss what is happening, or encourage them to keep these conversations from their parents because they may disagree - you probably have lost site that these are young and impressionable kids that trust this very immature person they see everyday, and need to really take a look in the mirror for some self reflection and think about where you lost your sense of right and wrong. Proof? Source of these thousands of teachers doing this? Proof of first grade teachers doing this?
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Post by volleyball90 on Jan 25, 2023 9:52:43 GMT -5
I know of some parents who are VERY immature and have visited some of these types whilest they talk about things of a sexual nature in a totally innapropriate way in front of their children. So the thought that parents are always the best to discuss sexual education to their kids is totally not correct. I see no problem with providing factual information to adolescents as the same was done to me when I was that age. This isn't an ADVOCACY. This is a presentation of factual information. Just because some of the moralists are offended should not preclude vital information from getting to the youth when they need it the most! The amount of immature parents compared the amount of teachers ready and willing to share their ideologies on young impressionable children do not pale in comparison. There are far more immature teachers that are very unwilling and/or unable to keep their opinion and ideologies out of the curriculum, hence a law needing to be put in place. Well this is completely all opinion. I would guarantee that majority of people with screwed up ideologies in life got them from their parents and family vs teachers. I am not saying give teachers free reign to do whatever, but to unequivocally believe that immature teachers are more an issue than immature parents seems quite naïve and biased. Being a parent doesn't automatically make you mature. Being a young teacher doesn't mean you are immature. You are going to see good and bad in both groups, but I would much rather place my bets on the young educated teacher force being a more positive influence for children than parents in general.
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Post by moderndaycoach on Jan 25, 2023 10:18:52 GMT -5
We have seen thousands of teachers bragging about what they are trying to teach kids under 10 in their classroom that literally have no idea what teachers are talking about because the subject is completely inappropriate for them to be having at that age with anyone other than their parents. Based off the thousands of teachers ready and willing to share online the inappropriate ways they are handling the topic, and simultaneously getting extremely upset when people call them out and share the thing they already shared publicly, it shows we have a huge problem. It has now become a brag about how they are the one that will teach your child about these topics their way when the parents/guardians of a kid that age are the only one that should be having that conversation Plain and simple, if you are ok with a first grader being told that they may not be a boy or girl, or that they can have surgery to fix that, that boys can have periods, schedule a drag show and discuss what is happening, or encourage them to keep these conversations from their parents because they may disagree - you probably have lost site that these are young and impressionable kids that trust this very immature person they see everyday, and need to really take a look in the mirror for some self reflection and think about where you lost your sense of right and wrong. Proof? Source of these thousands of teachers doing this? Proof of first grade teachers doing this? Just take a scroll through twitter or on LibsOfTikTok account and you can see the videos' of teachers bragging about what they are teaching and the books they are putting out in plain site in their classrooms.
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Post by moderndaycoach on Jan 25, 2023 10:24:54 GMT -5
The amount of immature parents compared the amount of teachers ready and willing to share their ideologies on young impressionable children do not pale in comparison. There are far more immature teachers that are very unwilling and/or unable to keep their opinion and ideologies out of the curriculum, hence a law needing to be put in place. Well this is completely all opinion. I would guarantee that majority of people with screwed up ideologies in life got them from their parents and family vs teachers. I am not saying give teachers free reign to do whatever, but to unequivocally believe that immature teachers are more an issue than immature parents seems quite naïve and biased. Being a parent doesn't automatically make you mature. Being a young teacher doesn't mean you are immature. You are going to see good and bad in both groups, but I would much rather place my bets on the young educated teacher force being a more positive influence for children than parents in general. Exactly, the bill in place is doing exactly that, preventing teachers from having free reign to do whatever, because you cannot completely control e or ensure that the curriculum is being followed with no variations. No chance I am placing my bets on a young teacher with literally no real world experience that is now in charge of first graders after potentially spending the last 4 years blacking out every Thursday and expect them to be a positive influence and follow a curriculum with no political bias they may have picked up while in college. These people are barley adults themselves, majority without children, that still have much to learn and should focus on multiplication tables and cursive rather than sexual orientation and how they believe it should be taught and shared with very young children.
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