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Post by mikegarrison on Jan 22, 2023 15:14:20 GMT -5
Given how often I do post here, I'm sure some people will not believe me when I say this, but it's relatively common for me to start replying to something and then stop and not post it after realizing that I don't really know what I'm talking about. More often now than when I was younger.
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Post by volleykong on Jan 22, 2023 15:17:56 GMT -5
You know, it's not like anybody is arguing that homelessness or crime or low values of STEM education are good things that should be promoted. But Florida *is* arguing (and passing laws about it) that educators factually discussing sexuality and history are forbidden. Your attempts to create strawman counter-examples are not working very well, because you fail to understand the whole issue here. This is not because people don't like Florida or their political orientation. This is because the state censoring (whitewashing, even) education is a bad thing that they are deliberately choosing to do. Each side seems to have their owns "facts". Regardless, Florida already offers African-American history courses. The state board of education did not feel like the rigor of the African-American AP course met the requirements of an AP course. Also, teaching kids that anal sex is a healthy activity is not "fact", and should not be taught in schools, in my opinion and in the opinion of roughly half the country. If adults want to engage, so be it. But you will never convince me that the activity is healthy, nor should it be taught to kids in school that it is. Pretty wild how people can take something that is not racist and make it racist, and take something that is not homophobic and make it homophobic. Sounds like those are the people trying to censor others.
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Post by mikegarrison on Jan 22, 2023 15:29:14 GMT -5
The state board of education did not feel like the rigor of the African-American AP course met the requirements of an AP course. Huh? AP courses are a brand owned by College Board (a private non-profit org). College Board is the only group that gets to decide what the syllabus is for AP courses, because they run/own the AP program. States or schools or whatever can decide not to offer AP courses, but they don't get to decide whether a particular course is worthy to be an "AP course".
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Post by n00b on Jan 22, 2023 15:30:56 GMT -5
But Florida *is* arguing (and passing laws about it) that educators factually discussing sexuality To 8-year-olds. Well this is stretching the truth so far it borders on lying.
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Post by trojansc on Jan 22, 2023 15:35:49 GMT -5
Each side seems to have their owns "facts". Regardless, Florida already offers African-American history courses. The state board of education did not feel like the rigor of the African-American AP course met the requirements of an AP course. Also, teaching kids that anal sex is a healthy activity is not "fact", and should not be taught in schools, in my opinion and in the opinion of roughly half the country. If adults want to engage, so be it. But you will never convince me that the activity is healthy, nor should it be taught to kids in school that it is. Pretty wild how people can take something that is not racist and make it racist, and take something that is not homophobic and make it homophobic. Sounds like those are the people trying to censor others. The state board of education determines which AP courses meet the requirements of AP courses? Sounds like the College Board should determine that. Plenty of straight people have anal sex - but regardless, I'm not sure what that has to do with the bill. But what do I know, I am a product of Florida's public education system.
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Post by n00b on Jan 22, 2023 15:36:05 GMT -5
The state board of education did not feel like the rigor of the African-American AP course met the requirements of an AP course. Huh? AP courses are a brand owned by College Board (a private non-profit org). College Board is the only group that gets to decide what the syllabus is for AP courses, because they run/own the AP program. States or schools or whatever can decide not to offer AP courses, but they don't get to decide whether a particular course is worthy to be an "AP course". I don’t think anybody can really have an informed opinion on this without knowing this class’s syllabus. And the College Board has not made it public for some reason. Otherwise the argument is either: - a class called “African American Studies” is good regardless of the content; or - a class called “African American Studies” is bad regardless of the content I’m not sure how well reasoned people can think either of those things. So what is happening is “this came from Ron DeSantis, who might be the next president, so it is good/bad.”
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Post by redcard on Jan 22, 2023 15:41:15 GMT -5
Surprised VT Five-0 hasn’t swoop in and moved this thread. Seems very selective??
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Post by trojansc on Jan 22, 2023 15:43:06 GMT -5
But Florida *is* arguing (and passing laws about it) that educators factually discussing sexuality To 8-year-olds. Florida doesn't want children to know that gay people exist or that same-sex marriage is legal, despite some children in those schools probably having two parents of the same gender. I think it's clearly rooted in some anti-LGBT sentiment. Reminds me of the myth that just asking someone if they are suicidal will cause them (or make them more likely) to commit suicide.
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Post by mikegarrison on Jan 22, 2023 15:43:47 GMT -5
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Post by n00b on Jan 22, 2023 16:00:20 GMT -5
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Post by tablealgebra on Jan 22, 2023 19:54:28 GMT -5
I argue that provision 3 of this statute bans discussion of the viability of reparations entirely. Without being allowed to consider that members of a racial group might be oppressed or lifted up simply by membership in that group, you cannot reasonably discuss the topic of reparations, and in fact I suspect that a lot more of African-American studies is probably also explicitly against this provision. So as I'm reading it, it is impossible to have an African-American studies course of any substance while following this law.
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Post by stanfordvb on Jan 22, 2023 23:36:02 GMT -5
Florida doesn't want children to know that gay people exist or that same-sex marriage is legal, despite some children in those schools probably having two parents of the same gender. I think it's clearly rooted in some anti-LGBT sentiment. Reminds me of the myth that just asking someone if they are suicidal will cause them (or make them more likely) to commit suicide. I think its up to their parents to talk to them about that and explain. your Childs school teachers are not responsible for educating them about sexuality or relationships when they can't even divide numbers yet imo lol. I dont think its as simple as 'Florida doesn't want kids to know gay people exist', maybe its just not the teachers job to be in charge of educating young kids about that. I dont think I would want a first grade teacher to be talking to my hypothetical 6 year old about different sexualities or orientations, but maybe thats just me. not because im anti-anything, but bc I think thats not their teachers place. a simple "some people have two moms or two dads and thats perfectly fine" and then moving on with the lesson plan should suffice if any questions arise from or about a child in the classroom, the rest of that conversation belongs at home imo. most teachers actually dont want to talk to their 5-8 year old students about sexual orientation and identity in detail because they feel uncomfortable doing so, which they probably should lol. middle school and high school is fine to talk more deeply about topics like this, but while a child still believes in the tooth fairy I dont think its ridiculous to not go into detail about sexuality, I actually think its incredibly unnecessary
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Post by tablealgebra on Jan 23, 2023 0:40:59 GMT -5
Florida doesn't want children to know that gay people exist or that same-sex marriage is legal, despite some children in those schools probably having two parents of the same gender. I think it's clearly rooted in some anti-LGBT sentiment. Reminds me of the myth that just asking someone if they are suicidal will cause them (or make them more likely) to commit suicide. I think its up to their parents to talk to them about that and explain. your Childs school teachers are not responsible for educating them about sexuality or relationships when they can't even divide numbers yet imo lol. I dont think its as simple as 'Florida doesn't want kids to know gay people exist', maybe its just not the teachers job to be in charge of educating young kids about that. I dont think I would want a first grade teacher to be talking to my hypothetical 6 year old about different sexualities or orientations, but maybe thats just me. not because im anti-anything, but bc I think thats not their teachers place. a simple "some people have two moms or two dads and thats perfectly fine" and then moving on with the lesson plan should suffice if any questions arise from or about a child in the classroom, the rest of that conversation belongs at home imo. most teachers actually dont want to talk to their 5-8 year old students about sexual orientation and identity in detail because they feel uncomfortable doing so, which they probably should lol. middle school and high school is fine to talk more deeply about topics like this, but while a child still believes in the tooth fairy I dont think its ridiculous to not go into detail about sexuality, I actually think its incredibly unnecessary You don't talk to first grades about the birds and bees. So you also don't talk to them about the birds and the birds, or bees and bees. You talk to them about some people have two mommies and some people have two daddies. Which Florida law forbids. There are a lot of people who assume that kids get all their age-inappropriate knowledge from school. No, that's what the Internet is for, and I guarantee you schools are monitoring that much better than parents are.
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Post by moderndaycoach on Jan 23, 2023 8:51:06 GMT -5
It should, perhaps, be noted that the NCAA has set the precedent of withdrawing championship hosting privileges going back to at least 2016, when they pulled seven(!) 2016/2017 championships from North Carolina over that state’s anti-gay law. Anti-trans, I think. Also, to those nonsensically introducing masks, vaccines, presidents and whatever else into this thread, human rights are not "politics." And there is a growing pattern in Florida. Nah, not how this works. I believe this is called trying to have your cake and eat it too. We have already far covered the facts of the matter yet, peoples opinions seem to carry on repeating exaggerations which is the cause of this thing being this long.
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Post by moderndaycoach on Jan 23, 2023 8:53:36 GMT -5
Agree 100% with the OP and I think you will see a a good number of players on several teams actually speak to and take action regarding these very issues. Then they can go ahead and enjoy watching the game from at home, the inmates do not get to run the asylum over misinformation and immature activism based off it.
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