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Post by ay2013 on Jan 20, 2023 16:07:24 GMT -5
Yep. I'm personally a bit tired of the people whining about bringing "politics" into a conversation. Being against state-sponsored racism is not "political". I mean, it’s definitely political. No doubt about that. Doesn’t mean it can’t be a topic for discussion. That’s a separate issue. I read an article a couple of days ago about the economic impact on Arizona for being so late to adopt MLK day. It was substantial. I’m unconvinced the state legislature passes a law dedicating it as a state recognized holiday without that economic pressure. That’s for sure political. When organizations threaten states with boycotts for passing transgender unfriendly laws - particularly laws regarding public restrooms - and that has an impact on whether the legislation passes or not, that’s political. What I will say is whether people find the opposite view palatable to listen to or not, there are reasons for having strongly held beliefs. When both sides demonize the other with short hand phrases like racism, it pretty much ends the conversation. The social conservatives are just as bad, if not worse. I don’t know how one can feasibly be tolerant about intolerance. That sounds like a recipe for disaster. But we need to be engaging in more discussions, and fewer shouting matches while waving torches and pitchforks. I’m unconvinced volleytalk is the place where it occurs, but it should be happening somewhere. Well, sure, ANYTHING the government may or may not do is inherently political. What I'm saying is that I'm tired of black and white blatant discrimination being lumped into the taboo topic of "politics". This isn't someone's stance on taxes, government intrusion on privacy, or gun rights - this is the governor directly saying that while mandatory European history is fine, purely elective African American history should be banned not allowed because it "significantly lacks educational value". We should be able to point out how wrong that is without being broad-brushed stroked by the closet racists telling us to shut up about "politics".
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Jan 20, 2023 16:11:12 GMT -5
I mean, I agree - our ability to exist in a spoken sentence should not be political, but alas, someone else has made it political. Not sure how only a rebuttal can be considered "making things political". When you're from a protected class, your very existence is by definition, political. the_more_you_know_rainbow.jpg lol, "protected class" that's funny - the use of "protected class" itself is a steriotypical and leads to systematic racism there should literally be zero "protected class" in terms of race discussions economic classes, yes
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Post by moderndaycoach on Jan 20, 2023 16:11:55 GMT -5
With "Don't say gay" and now coming out against advanced placement Black history in schools, there is no way the tourney should be dropping money in Florida or that athletes should have to go there. Yep. I'm personally a bit tired of the people whining about bringing "politics" into a conversation. Being against state-sponsored racism is not "political". Or instead of just jumping on the bandwagon with pitchforks and making inaccurate claims Florida is pushing state sponsored racism, be aware that the program is in it's pilot and leaves large gaps in the curriculum for the teachers to input their own ideologies. The same thing that we are seeing from extremists professors on both side of the political spectrum pushing their opinions and bias on college students that are not paying for that at all. They said if the board comes back with a more accurate or depicted curriculum it will be re-evaluated. The only thing that saying Florida is pushing state sponsored racism is achieving is further dividing those who have different political beliefs and are too lazy to do any research of their own. Being for state sponsored racism would in fact be a terrible thing to push for and be proud of, but echoing falsities in the name of political bias or opinion in hopes of creating a cancel culture riot to possibly move and/or delay the championships of the sport we all love is highly irresponsible.
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Post by uofaGRAD on Jan 20, 2023 16:12:38 GMT -5
Would love to see a lot of our social policy complainers run and operate their own business. I guarantee a lot of their politics would change in a heartbeat. so, by your thinking, someone that reaps the benefits of capitalism will/has to be homophobic and racist? I mean sure, sometimes they go hand in hand with people, like our last president, but I’m not sure why starting a business and being worried about laws relating to business would affect someone’s stance on human rights… but that’s very much a topic for off the net
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Post by ay2013 on Jan 20, 2023 16:13:52 GMT -5
Yep. I'm personally a bit tired of the people whining about bringing "politics" into a conversation. Being against state-sponsored racism is not "political". Or instead of just jumping on the bandwagon with pitchforks and making inaccurate claims Florida is pushing state sponsored racism, be aware that the program is in it's pilot and leaves large gaps in the curriculum for the teachers to input their own ideologies. The same thing that we are seeing from extremists professors on both side of the political spectrum pushing their opinions and bias on college students that are not paying for that at all. They said if the board comes back with a more accurate or depicted curriculum it will be re-evaluated. The only thing that saying Florida is pushing state sponsored racism is achieving is further dividing those who have different political beliefs and are too lazy to do any research of their own. Being for state sponsored racism would in fact be a terrible thing to push for and be proud of, but echoing falsities in the name of political bias or opinion in hopes of creating a cancel culture riot to possibly move and/or delay the championships of the sport we all love is highly irresponsible.
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Post by moderndaycoach on Jan 20, 2023 16:14:09 GMT -5
I mean, it’s definitely political. No doubt about that. Doesn’t mean it can’t be a topic for discussion. That’s a separate issue. I read an article a couple of days ago about the economic impact on Arizona for being so late to adopt MLK day. It was substantial. I’m unconvinced the state legislature passes a law dedicating it as a state recognized holiday without that economic pressure. That’s for sure political. When organizations threaten states with boycotts for passing transgender unfriendly laws - particularly laws regarding public restrooms - and that has an impact on whether the legislation passes or not, that’s political. What I will say is whether people find the opposite view palatable to listen to or not, there are reasons for having strongly held beliefs. When both sides demonize the other with short hand phrases like racism, it pretty much ends the conversation. The social conservatives are just as bad, if not worse. I don’t know how one can feasibly be tolerant about intolerance. That sounds like a recipe for disaster. But we need to be engaging in more discussions, and fewer shouting matches while waving torches and pitchforks. I’m unconvinced volleytalk is the place where it occurs, but it should be happening somewhere. Well, sure, ANYTHING the government may or may not do is inherently political. What I'm saying is that I'm tired of black and white blatant discrimination being lumped into the taboo topic of "politics". This isn't someone's stance on taxes, government intrusion on privacy, or gun rights - this is the governor directly saying that while mandatory European history is fine, purely elective African American history should be banned because it "significantly lacks educational value". We should be able to point out how wrong that is without being broad-brushed stroked by the closet racists telling us to shut up about "politics". Literally not what was said, nor was it banned.
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Post by hipsterfilth on Jan 20, 2023 16:16:21 GMT -5
I mean, I agree - our ability to exist in a spoken sentence should not be political, but alas, someone else has made it political. Not sure how only a rebuttal can be considered "making things political". When you're from a protected class, your very existence is by definition, political. the_more_you_know_rainbow.jpg lol, "protected class" that's funny - the use of "protected class" itself is a steriotypical and leads to systematic racism there should literally be zero "protected class" in terms of race discussions economic classes, yes lol it's a legal definition, but ok.
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Post by ay2013 on Jan 20, 2023 16:17:57 GMT -5
Well, sure, ANYTHING the government may or may not do is inherently political. What I'm saying is that I'm tired of black and white blatant discrimination being lumped into the taboo topic of "politics". This isn't someone's stance on taxes, government intrusion on privacy, or gun rights - this is the governor directly saying that while mandatory European history is fine, purely elective African American history should be banned because it "significantly lacks educational value". We should be able to point out how wrong that is without being broad-brushed stroked by the closet racists telling us to shut up about "politics". Literally not what was said, nor was it banned. Oh, excuse me, Florida decided to "not allow" it, I shall change my original comment to be more "accurate" Direct quote- "the content of this course is inexplicably contrary to Florida law and significantly lacks educational value,” the department’s office of articulation, which oversees accelerated programs for high school students, wrote on Jan. 12."
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Jan 20, 2023 16:17:59 GMT -5
lol, "protected class" that's funny - the use of "protected class" itself is a steriotypical and leads to systematic racism there should literally be zero "protected class" in terms of race discussions economic classes, yes lol it's a legal definition, but ok. that doesn't make it any better
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Post by moderndaycoach on Jan 20, 2023 16:22:53 GMT -5
Literally not what was said, nor was it banned. Oh, excuse me, Florida decided to "not allow" it, I shall change my original comment to be more "accurate" Direct quote- "the content of this course is inexplicably contrary to Florida law and significantly lacks educational value,” the department’s office of articulation, which oversees accelerated programs for high school students, wrote on Jan. 12." Yes! Thank you for exactly proving my point, you are sharing absolute nonsense in hopes of making your argument stronger and get people riled up that ignorantly believe it and do not do their own research. You then willingly choose to put something in quotes while blatantly ignoring the context that said when they come back with a better curriculum it would be re evaluated. You are exactly the problem that we are facing, people like you will push your bias and actually encourage racism and outrage when you do things like that. Do you not understand how irresponsible that is, and how little it does to help or improve the situation?
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Post by moderndaycoach on Jan 20, 2023 16:23:46 GMT -5
Would love to see a lot of our social policy complainers run and operate their own business. I guarantee a lot of their politics would change in a heartbeat. so, by your thinking, someone that reaps the benefits of capitalism will/has to be homophobic and racist? I mean sure, sometimes they go hand in hand with people, like our last president, but I’m not sure why starting a business and being worried about laws relating to business would affect someone’s stance on human rights… but that’s very much a topic for off the net You do realize the current president literally backed laws to imprison African Americans over extremely minor offenses and was a vehement racist for the majority of his career calling the class "predators", as well as the current VP doing the same thing over pot then lying about she smoked it in college and listened to rap. The current president and democratic party made it nearly impossible for small business to survive the last few years, and cities like Chicago, New York, LA had politicians in charge that ruined peoples lives and ignored any and all basic human rights.
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Post by uofaGRAD on Jan 20, 2023 16:29:32 GMT -5
You do realize the current president literally backed laws to imprison African Americans over extremely minor offenses and was a vehement racist for the majority of his career calling the class "predators", as well as the current VP doing the same thing over pot then lying about she smoked it in college and listened to rap. The current president and democratic party made it nearly impossible for small business to survive the last few years, and cities like Chicago, New York, LA had politicians in charge that ruined peoples lives and ignored any and all basic human rights. you really didn’t address my question at all but thank you for the tangent. Biden and Kamala wouldn’t have been either of my first choices, and I didn’t vote for Biden in the primaries, but there’s a list of a trillion things I’d do before voting for Trump. Is there any way, without a mod coming down on all of us, to move this conversation to off the net? It’s only a matter of time before the mod with The Rock avatar comes and either locks the thread or moves it himself, while putting some on timeout lol.
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Post by ay2013 on Jan 20, 2023 16:29:42 GMT -5
Oh, excuse me, Florida decided to "not allow" it, I shall change my original comment to be more "accurate" Direct quote- "the content of this course is inexplicably contrary to Florida law and significantly lacks educational value,” the department’s office of articulation, which oversees accelerated programs for high school students, wrote on Jan. 12." Yes! Thank you for exactly proving my point, you are sharing absolute nonsense in hopes of making your argument stronger and get people riled up that ignorantly believe it and do not do their own research. You then willingly choose to put something in quotes while blatantly ignoring the context that said when they come back with a better curriculum it would be re evaluated. You are exactly the problem that we are facing, people like you will push your bias and actually encourage racism and outrage when you do things like that. Do you not understand how irresponsible that is, and how little it does to help or improve the situation? Apparently, you missed the sarcasm in my post.
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Post by moderndaycoach on Jan 20, 2023 16:34:25 GMT -5
Yes! Thank you for exactly proving my point, you are sharing absolute nonsense in hopes of making your argument stronger and get people riled up that ignorantly believe it and do not do their own research. You then willingly choose to put something in quotes while blatantly ignoring the context that said when they come back with a better curriculum it would be re evaluated. You are exactly the problem that we are facing, people like you will push your bias and actually encourage racism and outrage when you do things like that. Do you not understand how irresponsible that is, and how little it does to help or improve the situation? Apparently, you missed the sarcasm in my post. I'll take your lame attempt at claiming sarcasm for being called out blatantly sharing false information and inciting racism based on your personal bias. Still doesn't change that you and others that do exactly what you just tried are part of the larger problem.
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Post by moderndaycoach on Jan 20, 2023 16:42:16 GMT -5
You do realize the current president literally backed laws to imprison African Americans over extremely minor offenses and was a vehement racist for the majority of his career calling the class "predators", as well as the current VP doing the same thing over pot then lying about she smoked it in college and listened to rap. The current president and democratic party made it nearly impossible for small business to survive the last few years, and cities like Chicago, New York, LA had politicians in charge that ruined peoples lives and ignored any and all basic human rights. you really didn’t address my question at all but thank you for the tangent. Biden and Kamala wouldn’t have been either of my first choices, and I didn’t vote for Biden in the primaries, but there’s a list of a trillion things I’d do before voting for Trump. Is there any way, without a mod coming down on all of us, to move this conversation to off the net? It’s only a matter of time before the mod with The Rock avatar comes and either locks the thread or moves it himself, while putting some on timeout lol. No, I addressed the fact that you tried to lump in personal bias and ignorant blanket stereotypes with those who benefit from capitalism and/or own and operate a business while comically lumping in the people you did in fact vote for that have decimated businesses and encouraged taking away basic human rights. If you owned a business and were forced to vax or wear a mask against your will, or force your patrons to vax or wear a mask to enter your establishment, your basic human rights were violated and you encountered inhibitions that prohibited you from successfully running a business long past any of it was "necessary".
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