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Post by uofastudent on Jan 20, 2023 18:29:13 GMT -5
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Post by moderndaycoach on Jan 20, 2023 18:30:37 GMT -5
No one said it is an invalid academic topic, and his opponents are the ones that labeled it "don't say gay". The bill is that K-3 classrooms are not allowed to teach sexual orientation because the simple fact kids are not mature or cognitive enough to understand what they are being taught. Once again, examples of exaggerations of truth meant to incite outrage and division come to light time and time again. Think about the first time you were taught sex ed, was it before 5th grade? Likely not. I think it is completely fair for kids that young to have their parents decide if it is appropriate or not for them to be learning that, and if they think so it should be a conversation they have at home rather than having a completely biased teacher, one way or the other, pushing their own ideologies on your child that then will come home with a litany of questions or misunderstandings. I’m confused about your interpretation about the bill, and it’s intention, by your own response. They needed to legislate sex education for grades k-3… but then you admit that sex Ed isn’t happening in those grades anyway. So the bill isn’t meant to solve a problem because… there isn’t one. You can dance in circles around it if you want, but it’s a direct message to the lgbtq community from the Florida legislature. On a different note, I love when people come onto Al gore’s internet and show their entire asses. It’s quite comical They need to legislate it because there are wack job teachers that want to start teaching K-3 about sexual orientation and everything involved with it. My point was that sex ed has most commonly never happened before 5th grade, yet now we have teachers that feel it is their duty to start teaching our children that are not mature enough or cognitively developed to believe that they may not be a boy or girl and the other sexual conversations that come with that curriculum, teaching them about your genitals and everything else you don't start learning until sex ed which simply does not happen before 5th grade at the earliest because it is VERY inappropriate. No one every said it shouldn't be discussed or taught, it just simply shouldn't be in the classrooms of children that young. You want to think I am dancing around in circled but you are just another example of someone that has not read the whole thread and discussion, while also ignorantly doing your own homework to think a bill that Democrats nicknamed to sound malicious is meant to attack the lgbtq community when in reality all it is doing is protecting our youth from being exposed to things that they are far to young to understand and comprehend. To your note, I enjoyed that you cam on to Al Gore's internet and showed your entire a$$. It's quite comical. |
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Post by moderndaycoach on Jan 20, 2023 18:32:36 GMT -5
So did you read it and inform yourself of its proper name and what it aims to accomplish? Did you also learn who gave it the nickname in order to stir up anger and a false representation of it? |
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Post by hornshouse23 on Jan 20, 2023 18:36:37 GMT -5
I’m confused about your interpretation about the bill, and it’s intention, by your own response. They needed to legislate sex education for grades k-3… but then you admit that sex Ed isn’t happening in those grades anyway. So the bill isn’t meant to solve a problem because… there isn’t one. You can dance in circles around it if you want, but it’s a direct message to the lgbtq community from the Florida legislature. On a different note, I love when people come onto Al gore’s internet and show their entire asses. It’s quite comical They need to legislate it because there are wack job teachers that want to start teaching K-3 about sexual orientation and everything involved with it. My point was that sex ed has most commonly never happened before 5th grade, yet now we have teachers that feel it is their duty to start teaching our children that are not mature enough or cognitively developed to believe that they may not be a boy or girl and the other sexual conversations that come with that curriculum, teaching them about your genitals and everything else you don't start learning until sex ed which simply does not happen before 5th grade at the earliest because it is VERY inappropriate. No one every said it shouldn't be discussed or taught, it just simply shouldn't be in the classrooms of children that young. You want to think I am dancing around in circled but you are just another example of someone that has not read the whole thread and discussion, while also ignorantly doing your own homework to think a bill that Democrats nicknamed to sound malicious is meant to attack the lgbtq community when in reality all it is doing is protecting our youth from being exposed to things that they are far to young to understand and comprehend. To your note, I enjoyed that you cam on to Al Gore's internet and showed your entire a$$. It's quite comical. It’s a dog whistle. It’s inherently homophobic. And now they’ve put African American education in their crosshairs. It’s not that big of a stretch to imagine volleyball fans not wanting to spend time and money in state that continues to propagate that kind of stuff. |
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Post by uofastudent on Jan 20, 2023 18:36:51 GMT -5
Once again, you prove you have fallen victim to your own party misinforming you. The democrats and opponents of Desantis are the ones who named it the don't say gay bill. It is not even called that, the bill aims to prevent kids in kindergarten through third grade from learning about sexual orientation and the topics involved because they are not cognitivley advanced or mature enough to understand what they are being taught. Instead of spouting off nonsense and repeating falsities, do a little of your own homework. *heavy sigh* I know it’s not named that. No politician is dumb enough to name a bill something as controversial as that. I haven’t repeated anything. I’m sharing my own perspective. Nowhere have I spouted out nonsense either. You’ve brought up stereotypes a lot, and how I’m using those and my biases, which is funny, because the reason I posted on this thread in the first place was to challenge the thought/notion that supporters of capitalism had to be racist/homophobic, since they suggested that liberals stances politically would change if they started a business. I didn’t know what starting a business would have to do with the policies being talked about in the OG post (which had to do with those two minority groups). But you responded to me looking to start an argument rather than answer my question. This will be my final response. |
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Post by moderndaycoach on Jan 20, 2023 18:42:24 GMT -5
They need to legislate it because there are wack job teachers that want to start teaching K-3 about sexual orientation and everything involved with it. My point was that sex ed has most commonly never happened before 5th grade, yet now we have teachers that feel it is their duty to start teaching our children that are not mature enough or cognitively developed to believe that they may not be a boy or girl and the other sexual conversations that come with that curriculum, teaching them about your genitals and everything else you don't start learning until sex ed which simply does not happen before 5th grade at the earliest because it is VERY inappropriate. No one every said it shouldn't be discussed or taught, it just simply shouldn't be in the classrooms of children that young. You want to think I am dancing around in circled but you are just another example of someone that has not read the whole thread and discussion, while also ignorantly doing your own homework to think a bill that Democrats nicknamed to sound malicious is meant to attack the lgbtq community when in reality all it is doing is protecting our youth from being exposed to things that they are far to young to understand and comprehend. To your note, I enjoyed that you cam on to Al Gore's internet and showed your entire a$$. It's quite comical. It’s a dog whistle. It’s inherently homophobic. And now they’ve put African American education in their crosshairs. It’s not that big of a stretch to imagine volleyball fans not wanting to spend time and money in state that continues to propagate that kind of stuff. Correct, a dog whistle of falsities and exaggerations to get people worked up who are too ignorantly to do their own research. No one is saying you can't say gay in school, they simply do not want their child under 10 years old being subjected to an extremely adult conversation that is potentially being moderated by some young 20 something extremist that believes their point of view is the correct one. They also are not attacking African Americans, they are simply asking for a more refined curriculum that does not leaving gaping holes for personal interpretation or ideology. |
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Post by moderndaycoach on Jan 20, 2023 18:45:47 GMT -5
Once again, you prove you have fallen victim to your own party misinforming you. The democrats and opponents of Desantis are the ones who named it the don't say gay bill. It is not even called that, the bill aims to prevent kids in kindergarten through third grade from learning about sexual orientation and the topics involved because they are not cognitivley advanced or mature enough to understand what they are being taught. Instead of spouting off nonsense and repeating falsities, do a little of your own homework. *heavy sigh* I know it’s not named that. No politician is dumb enough to name a bill something as controversial as that. I haven’t repeated anything. I’m sharing my own perspective. Nowhere have I spouted out nonsense either. You’ve brought up stereotypes a lot, and how I’m using those and my biases, which is funny, because the reason I posted on this thread in the first place was to challenge the thought/notion that supporters of capitalism had to be racist/homophobic, since they suggested that liberals stances politically would change if they started a business. I didn’t know what starting a business would have to do with the policies being talked about in the OG post (which had to do with those two minority groups). But you responded to me looking to start an argument rather than answer my question. This will be my final response. Then why keep repeating it for other people who are not going to do their own homework or read the whole thread to get worked up over it? Are you joking right now, you are the one that brought up supporters of capitalism being racist and homophobic! I find it extremely hilarious that you are now arguing against something that you brought up in the fashion of a generalized stereotype. I didn't respond to you looking to start an argument, I simply wanted to point out you entered in a personal opinion and want to treat it as someone was condoning either of those things because republican policy obviously benefits businesses far more than the recent choices made by the democratic party. |
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Post by braque on Jan 20, 2023 19:19:09 GMT -5
You do realize the current president literally backed laws to imprison African Americans over extremely minor offenses and was a vehement racist for the majority of his career calling the class "predators", as well as the current VP doing the same thing over pot then lying about she smoked it in college and listened to rap. The current president and democratic party made it nearly impossible for small business to survive the last few years, and cities like Chicago, New York, LA had politicians in charge that ruined peoples lives and ignored any and all basic human rights. you really didn’t address my question at all but thank you for the tangent. Biden and Kamala wouldn’t have been either of my first choices, and I didn’t vote for Biden in the primaries, but there’s a list of a trillion things I’d do before voting for Trump. Is there any way, without a mod coming down on all of us, to move this conversation to off the net? It’s only a matter of time before the mod with The Rock avatar comes and either locks the thread or moves it himself, while putting some on timeout lol. Even on a volleyball chat forum, all roads lead to Trump LOL |
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Post by slxpress on Jan 20, 2023 19:28:29 GMT -5
you really didn’t address my question at all but thank you for the tangent. Biden and Kamala wouldn’t have been either of my first choices, and I didn’t vote for Biden in the primaries, but there’s a list of a trillion things I’d do before voting for Trump. Is there any way, without a mod coming down on all of us, to move this conversation to off the net? It’s only a matter of time before the mod with The Rock avatar comes and either locks the thread or moves it himself, while putting some on timeout lol. Even on a volleyball chat forum, all roads lead to Trump LOL It's fairer to say people with extreme positions and big personalities set the agenda. We elected him as a country, regardless of whom any individual voted for. I didn't vote for the guy either time, and I voted Republican for every other presidential election in my lifetime. He's the first true populist President since Andrew Jackson, and that's with all kinds of candidates like Williams Bryan Jennings, George Wallace, and Ross Perot running. He represents a watershed moment of sorts for American politics. We'll be talking about Trump and his impact for a long long time. I wouldn't be surprised if he's used as a litmus test in certain circles a couple of decades from now. |
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Post by Fight On! on Jan 20, 2023 19:31:08 GMT -5
I love it when people defending racism pull the Uno reverse card and call people who want to end racism racists because they don’t know what racism actually is.
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Post by mikegarrison on Jan 20, 2023 19:37:02 GMT -5
there are volleyball fans in Florida too There are volleyball fans all over the country. The NCAA doesn't seem to care too much about that. |
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Post by Fight On! on Jan 20, 2023 19:38:18 GMT -5
Even on a volleyball chat forum, all roads lead to Trump LOL It's fairer to say people with extreme positions and big personalities set the agenda. We elected him as a country, regardless of whom any individual voted for. I didn't vote for the guy either time, and I voted Republican for every other presidential election in my lifetime. He's the first true populist President since Andrew Jackson, and that's with all kinds of candidates like Williams Bryan Jennings, George Wallace, and Ross Perot running. He represents a watershed moment of sorts for American politics. We'll be talking about Trump and his impact for a long long time. I wouldn't be surprised if he's used as a litmus test in certain circles a couple of decades from now. He lost the popular vote by like 5 million. I don’t think “we elected him as a country” is true. He was elected due an electoral college system that disproportionately values the votes of certain people (essentially rural conservatives) over others … |
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Post by mikegarrison on Jan 20, 2023 19:40:18 GMT -5
Being against state-sponsored racism is not "political". I mean, it’s definitely political. No doubt about that. Yes, it's clearly political. That being said, I think the selection (and selection criteria) of the D1 women's VB Final Four is a volleyball relevant topic. |
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Post by mikegarrison on Jan 20, 2023 19:42:19 GMT -5
that's funny - the use of "protected class" itself is a steriotypical and leads to systematic racism there should literally be zero "protected class" in terms of race discussions "Protected class" is a legal term that is part of US civil rights laws. |
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Post by slxpress on Jan 20, 2023 19:54:20 GMT -5
It's fairer to say people with extreme positions and big personalities set the agenda. We elected him as a country, regardless of whom any individual voted for. I didn't vote for the guy either time, and I voted Republican for every other presidential election in my lifetime. He's the first true populist President since Andrew Jackson, and that's with all kinds of candidates like Williams Bryan Jennings, George Wallace, and Ross Perot running. He represents a watershed moment of sorts for American politics. We'll be talking about Trump and his impact for a long long time. I wouldn't be surprised if he's used as a litmus test in certain circles a couple of decades from now. He lost the popular vote by like 5 million. I don’t think “we elected him as a country” is true. He was elected due an electoral college system that disproportionately values the votes of certain people (essentially rural conservatives) over others … 2.9 million. The Electoral College is an important instrument of democracy. It's not like the system was invented just prior to the 2016 election. Both sides knew how the game was played. One side played it better than the other one. We certainly did elect him as a country. He sat in the White House after winning an election. That's how it works. Then the other side won the next election fair and square - despite the moronic and dangerous lies to the contrary - and now they sit in the White House. That's the beauty of the system. If someone you don't like wins the election, you get a chance to mobilize your side for the next won in an attempt to come out the victor. If Clinton wanted to be president, she should have done a better job in some of the states she barely lost. The popular vote was never going to determine the president. |
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