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Post by slxpress on Jan 20, 2023 19:57:09 GMT -5
I mean, it’s definitely political. No doubt about that. Yes, it's clearly political. That being said, I think the selection (and selection criteria) of the D1 women's VB Final Four is a volleyball relevant topic. I don't have a problem with the discussion. But I'm certain I would make a very poor moderator, because I often have a great deal of tolerance regarding what should pass for relevant discussion. My point is that it's absolutely a political discussion. Doesn't make it off putting for me. I do wish there was a way to tone down the polemics, but I'm also hoping for skittle pooping unicorns, so we'll see how that goes. |
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Post by AmeriCanvbdad on Jan 20, 2023 20:03:59 GMT -5
Yes, it's clearly political. That being said, I think the selection (and selection criteria) of the D1 women's VB Final Four is a volleyball relevant topic. I don't have a problem with the discussion. But I'm certain I would make a very poor moderator, because I often have a great deal of tolerance regarding what should pass for relevant discussion. My point is that it's absolutely a political discussion. Doesn't make it off putting for me. I do wish there was a way to tone down the polemics, but I'm also hoping for skittle pooping unicorns, so we'll see how that goes. Could you really eat skittles that came out a unicorn's butt? I couldn't do it. |
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Post by mikegarrison on Jan 20, 2023 20:04:14 GMT -5
The Electoral College is an important instrument of democracy. This is a highly debatable question. It's clearly not an "instrument of democracy" in that in recent decades it has routinely led to people who received fewer votes nevertheless getting the position of President. That's not democracy. However, it's also not relevant to this topic (or this forum, really). |
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Post by AmeriCanvbdad on Jan 20, 2023 20:10:40 GMT -5
The Electoral College is an important instrument of democracy. This is a highly debatable question. It's clearly not an "instrument of democracy" in that in recent decades it has routinely led to people who received fewer votes nevertheless getting the position of President. That's not democracy. However, it's also not relevant to this topic (or this forum, really). Although not an "instrument of democracy" could the EC be labelled an "instrument of equity" as it allows people in sparser populated areas to have a say in the process, rather than being drowned out by people who live in denser populated areas? I know it's not relevant to the topic, but the question just popped in my head, so I wondered what you thought. |
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Post by mikegarrison on Jan 20, 2023 20:11:49 GMT -5
This is a highly debatable question. It's clearly not an "instrument of democracy" in that in recent decades it has routinely led to people who received fewer votes nevertheless getting the position of President. That's not democracy. However, it's also not relevant to this topic (or this forum, really). Although not an "instrument of democracy" could the EC be labelled an "instrument of equity" as it allows people in sparser populated areas to have a say in the process, rather than being drowned out by people who live in denser populated areas? Whatever else it is or is not an instrument of, it is clearly not "democracy". |
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Post by AmeriCanvbdad on Jan 20, 2023 20:13:00 GMT -5
Although not an "instrument of democracy" could the EC be labelled an "instrument of equity" as it allows people in sparser populated areas to have a say in the process, rather than being drowned out by people who live in denser populated areas? Whatever else it is or is not an instrument of, it is clearly not "democracy". And I fully agreed with you on that, I just wondered what you thought of the equity notion. |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Jan 20, 2023 20:18:10 GMT -5
The Electoral College is an important instrument of democracy. This is a highly debatable question. It's clearly not an "instrument of democracy" in that in recent decades it has routinely led to people who received fewer votes nevertheless getting the position of President. That's not democracy. However, it's also not relevant to this topic (or this forum, really). "Highly Debatable"? what's the difference between "Highly Debatable" and "Debatable" please elaborate on the difference? or just an unnecessary adjective? |
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Post by mikegarrison on Jan 20, 2023 20:20:39 GMT -5
Whatever else it is or is not an instrument of, it is clearly not "democracy". And I fully agreed with you on that, I just wondered what you thought of the equity notion. What I think of it? I have already said that several times in Off The Net, a place where the discussion of the EC is more appropriate than on the Women's VB forum. |
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Post by bluepenquin on Jan 20, 2023 20:22:13 GMT -5
With "Don't say gay" and now coming out against advanced placement Black history in schools, there is no way the tourney should be dropping money in Florida or that athletes should have to go there. Why wouldn't they go - the bill isn't racist. |
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Post by ironhammer on Jan 20, 2023 20:22:48 GMT -5
With "Don't say gay" and now coming out against advanced placement Black history in schools, there is no way the tourney should be dropping money in Florida or that athletes should have to go there. Leave your politics at home, there are volleyball fans in Florida too. If you want to join the political discussion go argue with the left/right extremist crazies over at off the net. Actually the off-topic section is now almost monopolized by a self-proclaimed troll from Nebraska. He calls himself a right-winger. But traditional conservatives would be embarrassed by his lack of brain cells. And the moderator couldn't care less about his trolling. Unless you are in the mood, best to steer clear of the the off-topic section now. |
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Post by AmeriCanvbdad on Jan 20, 2023 20:25:32 GMT -5
And I fully agreed with you on that, I just wondered what you thought of the equity notion. What I think of it? I have already said that several times in Off The Net, a place where the discussion of the EC is more appropriate than on the Women's VB forum. You've said several times on OTN what you think of the EC as an "instrument of equity"? My bad. |
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Post by AmeriCanvbdad on Jan 20, 2023 20:26:22 GMT -5
Uh-oh somebody's whining about the mod again.
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Post by ironhammer on Jan 20, 2023 20:27:58 GMT -5
And I should add, the OT section isn't help that the troll from Nebraska is aided by his lackey (the poster above).
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Post by mikegarrison on Jan 20, 2023 20:34:53 GMT -5
With "Don't say gay" and now coming out against advanced placement Black history in schools, there is no way the tourney should be dropping money in Florida or that athletes should have to go there. Why wouldn't they go - the bill isn't racist. Florida HB1557 (aka "Don't Say Gay") is not the only Florida law of relevance here. Florida just today rejected the Advance Placement class on African American Studies, citing a different law (Florida HB7) also pushed by DeSantis. |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Jan 20, 2023 20:39:22 GMT -5
that's funny - the use of "protected class" itself is a steriotypical and leads to systematic racism there should literally be zero "protected class" in terms of race discussions "Protected class" is a legal term that is part of US civil rights laws. I know that. the protected class in regards to race should be reconsidered. this isn't 1968. race relations, bias, society are much much different now vs. then, and the class of race (not talking national origin or color yet) should be re-examined in terms of what is the best way to reduce racism (against ALL races, however race maight be identified now). Should race actually be a protected class anymore and why? .....it's a highly debatable subject Race itself has become so difficult to even identify given the integration and mixing in America that now exists. What is a 1/4 white, 1/4 black, 1/4 Hispanic, 1/4 Korean person anymore? what would you say their race is? |
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