|
Post by tomclen on Jan 21, 2023 8:31:04 GMT -5
R.A.T. -3 Read Any Thread in Three Minutes or Less Sponsored by Paula Deen's Southern Fried Corn Fritters no way the tourney should be dropping money in FloridaLeave your politics at home, there are volleyball fans in Florida too. The "Cancel Culture" needs to take a hike.Shut your pie hole! Also, Tampa sucks.Nebraska stinks I’ll bake this person a cake, I guess.This thread is terrible, bye. I don’t really follow Florida politics. What does this bill do?I’m confused Instead of spouting off nonsense, do a little homework. The Electoral College is an important instrument of democracy. I enjoyed that you cam on to Al Gore's internet and showed your entire a$$It’s a dog whistle. Even on a volleyball chat forum, all roads lead to Trump LOLThere are volleyball fans all over the country. He lost the popular vote by like 5 million.If Clinton wanted to be president, she should have done a better job I'm also hoping for skittle pooping unicornsCould you really eat skittles that came out a unicorn's butt? it's not relevant to the topic, but the question just popped in my headwhat's the difference between Highly Debatable and "Debatable please elaborate I have already said that several times in Off The NetThe off-topic section is monopolized by a self-proclaimed troll from Nebraska somebody's whining about the mod again.What is a 1/4 white, 1/4 black, 1/4 Hispanic, 1/4 Korean person anymore? Again a topic for other boards, really.Quit watching fake news and you’ll be fine. Reported. Flagged for politics.
|
|
|
Post by vbman100 on Jan 21, 2023 8:53:53 GMT -5
"Protected class" is a legal term that is part of US civil rights laws. I know that. Race itself has become so difficult to even identify given the integration and mixing in America that now exists. What is a 1/4 white, 1/4 black, 1/4 Hispanic, 1/4 Korean person anymore? what would you say their race is? Tiger woodsican?
|
|
bluepenquin
Hall of Fame
4-Time VolleyTalk Poster of the Year (2019, 2018, 2017, 2016), All-VolleyTalk 1st Team (2021, 2020, 2019, 2018, 2017, 2016)
Posts: 12,385
|
Post by bluepenquin on Jan 21, 2023 8:57:35 GMT -5
The last few pages on this thread seem wholly irrelevant and certainly off topic to the discussion of women's volleyball, in particular government sanctioned women's volleyball (which is 95% of this forum). Electoral College, protected classes etc. etc......take it to the off net board. To refocus on the original posters point - I don't think it's off limits to call out unfriendly states that the NCAA is forcing volleyball players and us volleyball fans to go to and spend money in. If you don't think it's a problem, that's fine - this is a discussion forum, people are entitled to their own opinions, but people who DO have a problem with it shouldn't be silenced in the context of volleyball. Just because it's a government actor acting inappropriately, shouldn't just automatically mean that it be off limits because it's "politics". When certain volleyball clubs or programs are doing shady things (even in the context of racism....see Josh Taylor @ Missouri, for example), it gets called out here on VT. Why should individual states doing shady things (and what Florida has been doing is shady, "politics" be damned), be excluded from our discourse here? If a discussion of why Tampa shouldn't host the NCAA volleyball final four is not your cup of tea, don't read the thread and don't post! But your disagreement is completely sourced by politics and has nothing to do with 'shady' things going on. There is nothing here that is either racist or discriminating against a class of people that I can see. It is just something that you apparently politically disagree with. Should the NCAA ban anything where a group of people may disagree? Or tell me what here is either racist or discriminating against a protected class - then I could better understand and support your position.
|
|
bluepenquin
Hall of Fame
4-Time VolleyTalk Poster of the Year (2019, 2018, 2017, 2016), All-VolleyTalk 1st Team (2021, 2020, 2019, 2018, 2017, 2016)
Posts: 12,385
|
Post by bluepenquin on Jan 21, 2023 8:59:02 GMT -5
It should, perhaps, be noted that the NCAA has set the precedent of withdrawing championship hosting privileges going back to at least 2016, when they pulled seven(!) 2016/2017 championships from North Carolina over that state’s anti-gay law. Anti-trans, I think. Also, to those nonsensically introducing masks, vaccines, presidents and whatever else into this thread, human rights are not "politics." And there is a growing pattern in Florida. Instead of making claims of human rights being violated - tell me/us what human rights are being violated and how?
|
|
|
Post by braque on Jan 21, 2023 11:06:10 GMT -5
Scanning through this discussion and seeing some misguided views re the Electoral College. Particularly illogical is the view that it's "not democracy" when the popular vote winner loses in the Electoral College. As if the popular vote loser / Electoral College winner is somehow less "legitimate" or indeed not "legitimate" at all as a President. Everybody knows how the game is played, meaning, among many other things, that a candidate (eg Trump) who has zero chance in a state (eg California) will spend little to no time / money campaigning there, buying ads there, etc. Which means that that candidate's share of the popular vote from that state will be less than it otherwise would have been. Same with someone like Clinton in places like Alabama. Simply put, what happened in the popular vote is irrelevant vis a vis an election conducted under Electoral College rules. To bring the discussion to volleyball - if Texas beats Nebraska (yay) 25-23, 11-25, 25-22, 15-25, and 15-13, we would acknowledge that Nebraska won more points, but I doubt we would hear many / any people saying that Nebraska was the "real" / "actual" / "legitimate" winner of the match.
|
|
|
Post by vergyltantor on Jan 21, 2023 11:32:42 GMT -5
State | Registered Voters | Electoral College Votes | Registered Voters per EC Vote
| Wyoming | 280,489
| 3
| 93,496
| California
| 22,005,243
| 55
| 400,095
|
|
|
|
Post by OHVBKING on Jan 21, 2023 13:09:07 GMT -5
Would love to see a lot of our social policy complainers run and operate their own business. I guarantee a lot of their politics would change in a heartbeat. Hmmmm. My partner runs a business in Madison, Wisconsin. If he stated that African-American studies is an invalid academic topic and/or "Don't say Gay" in his business, he would lose 75% of customers and 100% of his employees. That is because he is smart enough to know when you own and operate your own business the freedoms it brings heavily out weigh trying to employ his own politics onto other people. Business Owners tend to understand not everyone has to agree and we can all coexist without having to agree on everything. Whereas the bulk of these liberals who want to employ their politics on everyone else think we all must agree on the same thing and if not then they want to cancel. The cancel culture is terrible and they so conveniently forget the bill of rights which allows people to have their own beliefs.
|
|
|
Post by OHVBKING on Jan 21, 2023 13:12:44 GMT -5
Florida as State has the rights to create their own laws and their laws don't have to agree with the laws/rights/beliefs of other states. That is why we have 50 States. Go live where you are comfortable living, but don't ask people in other States to change their laws/rules/beliefs to make you feel more comfortable. As long as no one's constitutional rights are being violated I don't see any issues. s
|
|
|
Post by alhorford90 on Jan 21, 2023 15:59:32 GMT -5
i say move it. Florida is trash.
|
|
|
Post by mikegarrison on Jan 21, 2023 16:27:20 GMT -5
Florida as State has the rights to create their own laws and their laws don't have to agree with the laws/rights/beliefs of other states. That is why we have 50 States. Go live where you are comfortable living, but don't ask people in other States to change their laws/rules/beliefs to make you feel more comfortable. As long as no one's constitutional rights are being violated I don't see any issues. s Sure, I guess. But they also don't have a right to have somebody like the NCAA locating big events in their state. The "that's why we have 50 states" argument cuts both ways.
|
|
|
Post by n00b on Jan 21, 2023 16:57:07 GMT -5
With "Don't say gay" and now coming out against advanced placement Black history in schools, there is no way the tourney should be dropping money in Florida or that athletes should have to go there. Minneapolis police kill black men for no reason, yet we make the other Big Ten teams go there. That seems just as wrong.
|
|
|
Post by ay2013 on Jan 21, 2023 17:46:34 GMT -5
With "Don't say gay" and now coming out against advanced placement Black history in schools, there is no way the tourney should be dropping money in Florida or that athletes should have to go there. Minneapolis police kill black men for no reason, yet we make the other Big Ten teams go there. That seems just as wrong. Yeah, that is an apologist argument. Firstly, no one is suggesting you can’t be anti Minneapolis because of bad apples in their police department. While I have my doubts that you are, if you want to voice that opposition, more power to you. Secondly, and probably more importantly, reasonable people can discern the difference between awful people doing awful things in the context of their employment (and in the case of Floyd, the murderer was tried and convicted) and actual state sponsored targeting that some (I include myself in this group) find terrible for the future of this country. Someone above has it right - Florida, as a state can do whatever it wants to do so long as it’s Constitutional, and the rest of us also have a right to not want to support that state when we don’t have to.
|
|
|
Post by reader on Jan 21, 2023 18:21:19 GMT -5
And when consumers want to lobby to get some change in where their events are located they have to go out into their communities and gather support. VT is a volleyball community where such things should be discussed.
|
|
|
Post by give me the og-ball-u on Jan 21, 2023 19:41:04 GMT -5
the next NCAA final will be in havana and the 20th century best fivb player will be in attendance trust me
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2023 20:36:05 GMT -5
Agree 100% with the OP and I think you will see a a good number of players on several teams actually speak to and take action regarding these very issues.
|
|