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Post by volleyguy on Apr 23, 2023 0:52:14 GMT -5
UCI meets the eye test no doubt. But, in the criteria for selection they are well behind GCU. The committee would have to look past the criteria achieved over the totallity of the season, then explain to GCU they just aren't the prettiest hottie anymore. Being smart and having won by the numbers just doesn't stack up in the committee's eyes, they want the eye candy at their party. If that CUI loss does not bear any weight at all….. I would rather have BYU in before GCU if UCI does not get in. Come on, brah. Did they teach logic at your school? Or math? Or did you just major in daydreaming? |
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Post by raian13 on Apr 23, 2023 0:54:57 GMT -5
If that CUI loss does not bear any weight at all….. I would rather have BYU in before GCU if UCI does not get in. Come on, brah. Did they teach logic at your school? Or math? Or did you just major in daydreaming? Logic and metrics to mesh together well. |
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Post by 808empath on Apr 23, 2023 0:56:15 GMT -5
If that CUI loss does not bear any weight at all….. I would rather have BYU in before GCU if UCI does not get in. Come on, brah. Did they teach logic at your school? Or math? Or did you just major in daydreaming? That one & wahinefan think a like. They are both delusional. |
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Post by raian13 on Apr 23, 2023 0:57:55 GMT -5
Come on, brah. Did they teach logic at your school? Or math? Or did you just major in daydreaming? That one & wahinefan think a like. They are both delusional. You seem to like several of my posts lol! |
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 23, 2023 1:03:04 GMT -5
Come on, brah. Did they teach logic at your school? Or math? Or did you just major in daydreaming? That one & wahinefan think a like. They are both delusional. I'm convinced that wahinefan is that old man from the movie Up! who retired to Hawai'i  |
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Post by 808empath on Apr 23, 2023 1:04:53 GMT -5
That one & wahinefan think a like. They are both delusional. I'm convinced that wahinefan is that old man from the movie Up! who retired to Hawai'i 🤣🤣🤣 |
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Post by 808empath on Apr 23, 2023 1:05:45 GMT -5
That one & wahinefan think a like. They are both delusional. You seem to like several of my posts lol! You're right, some make sense. The rest are just pointless. |
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Post by kekoagoldenbear on Apr 23, 2023 1:07:53 GMT -5
stats.ncaa.org/selection_rankings/nitty_gritties/31928latest RPI is out the only change is that UC Irvine and Ball State swap spots | RPI | Strength of Schedule | | 1. UCLA | 4 | | 2. Penn State | 2 | | 3. Hawaii | 21 | | 4. Long Beach State | 13 | | 5. Grand Canyon | 17 | | 6. Ohio State | 10 | | 7. BYU | 23 | | 8. UC Irvine | 7 | | 9. Ball State | 12 |
PSU #2 SOS playing in the EIVA? Lol |
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Post by roy on Apr 23, 2023 1:21:25 GMT -5
PSU #2 SOS playing in the EIVA? Lol Yes, aside from Grand Canyon and BYU, they played and beat every single MPSF team, along with beating UCI and Hawaii. And other non-conference opponents did fairly well. Daemen went 17-7 while St. Francis and Central State had a great conference record and ended up above .500 for the season. Similar to when Hawaii played Lincoln Memorial last year and they won the IVA. Not name opponents but certainly boosted their RPI more than a team like UCSB. |
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 23, 2023 1:33:46 GMT -5
PSU #2 SOS playing in the EIVA? Lol Yes, aside from Grand Canyon and BYU, they played and beat every single MPSF team, along with beating UCI and Hawaii. And other non-conference opponents did fairly well. Daemen went 17-7 while St. Francis and Central State had a great conference record and ended up above .500 for the season. Similar to when Hawaii played Lincoln Memorial last year and they won the IVA. Not name opponents but certainly boosted their RPI more than a team like UCSB. Penn State's SOS could be a significant factor in the seeding. The differential between Penn St and Hawai'i (and Long Beach's) SOS's could end up being justification for the committee to seed them #2, Hawai'i #3 and Long Beach #4 (I think that's going to be my prediction.) |
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Post by roy on Apr 23, 2023 1:46:19 GMT -5
Penn State's SOS could be a significant factor in the seeding. The differential between Penn St and Hawai'i (and Long Beach's) SOS's could end up being justification for the committee to seed them #2, Hawai'i #3 and Long Beach #4 (I think that's going to be my prediction.) Agree. I think that is a pretty safe guess. There is no way to guess what the committee will value more, but I think that is a very reasonable prediction. |
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Post by soljah808 on Apr 23, 2023 1:55:42 GMT -5
Gotta win on the court regardless of who is 2/3....honestly with Toby hurt, I would rank Hawaii over PSU at this moment. I have no idea whether he will be back but being in a boot tonight isn't great since he is walking very gingerly. Yeah I seen him with the boot. Speedy recovery to him. He did damage to us in Hawaii. I think Hawaii will be seeded #3. But Hawaii most definitely want that rematch with Penn State. |
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Post by soljah808 on Apr 23, 2023 1:56:43 GMT -5
Get out of the clouds. Unfortunately UCI isn't getting in.
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Post by vinnielopes on Apr 23, 2023 2:13:34 GMT -5
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Post by noblesol on Apr 23, 2023 3:31:15 GMT -5
Thanks for the correct numbers. SOS is one of those criteria that on its own doesn't tell you much about what team is stronger or weaker or even more 'worthy'. CUI was #1 in SOS, but no one is claiming CUI belongs anywhere near the tournament. Penn St. is #6 in SOS but UCSD is #7. No one is claiming UCSD belongs in the at-large consideration on the strength of SOS. George Mason is #10 in SOS and Hawai'i #17. George Mason isn't going to make a case for itself on the basis of its SOS. A factor such as SOS is on its own not an indicator of team strength. An independent SOS ranking can't even be found in the Nitty Gritty. A better indicator of team strength than SOS is W/L results against RPI Tiers, which is found in the Nitty Gritty. So, it's interesting that the committee realizes that SOS is one of ten selection criteria but it's not meaningful enough to be nitty gritty material for helping them seed teams. Looking at Penn St. vs. Hawai'i using W/L results against the RPI Tiers found in the Nitty Gritty:
| Penn St. | Hawai'i | | RPI 1-5 | 2-2 | 2-2 | | RPI 6-10 | 2-1 | 5-0 | | RPI 11-15 | 10-0 | 4-0 | | RPI 16+ | 12-0 | 17-0 |
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The top 6 in the NCAA bracket are ranked RPI 1-6 (UCLA, Penn St., Hawai'i, Beach, GCU, Ohio St.), then King at 32. Looking at the table above, Hawai'i and Penn St. played equivalent schedules against Tier 1 teams with equivalent results. Against Tier 2, Hawai'i played more teams and had a better result than Penn St. Against Tier 3 and below teams, both Hawai'i and Penn St. played a large number of teams and with no losses. On the basis of the Nitty Gritty SOS comparison using RPI Tiers, Hawai'i had a tougher SOS than Penn St. against RPI Tier 1 and 2 teams representative of those found in the NCAA tournament upper bracket. Against teams not representative of that upper bracket (i.e. King), Hawai'i and Penn St. were equivalent. Using the Nitty Gritty SOS info as presented against RPI Tiers, Hawai'i had the slightly stronger tournament quality schedule with slightly better results than Penn St. |
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