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Post by oldnewbie on Apr 30, 2023 2:57:38 GMT -5
SDSU and FSU are both commuter schools and neither are in the LA-OC-SB-R market. FSU is not a presence in SoCal. Depends on where you draw the line. Fresno is 220 miles north of L.A. San Diego is 120 miles south of L.A. That puts FSU and SDSU firmly in "southern California", and the only FBS football schools in the area. FSU and SDSU have been more "competitive" than some current Pac-12 teams. There are a number of ways to divide the state, but nobody from California would ever call Fresno Southern California. My definition of Southern California includes San Diego and Imperial, Orange County, Los Angeles, The Inland Empire (Riverside and San Bernardino) and the South Coast (Santa Barbara and Ventura). SLO can either be part of the tri-counties (with Santa Barbara and Ventura) and be in SoCal, or can be part of the Central Coast. SLO is never NorCal.     |
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 30, 2023 9:57:18 GMT -5
FSU is Florida State. But in this case, I believe they're talking about Fresno State. Technically, CSU Fresno, commonly called Fresno State. I've never heard it referred to as FSU, but you can find the occasional references.  I just typed "FSU" into Google out of curiosity. As expected, Florida State was at the top of the results, with the official university website, the athletics homepage and the Wikipedia page about the school all in the top four. Fresno State wasn't anywhere on the first page (I stopped when I got to the part that said "more results"), but Fayetteville State (surprisingly high--third result), Frostburg State, Fitchburg State and Framingham State were on there |
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Post by redbeard2008 on Apr 30, 2023 11:25:58 GMT -5
Depends on where you draw the line. Fresno is 220 miles north of L.A. San Diego is 120 miles south of L.A. That puts FSU and SDSU firmly in "southern California", and the only FBS football schools in the area. FSU and SDSU have been more "competitive" than some current Pac-12 teams. I don’t think anyone in Southern California thinks of Fresno as being in Southern California. It isn't if you divide the state into three sections: northern, central, and southern California. It is if you divide it into two sections: northern and southern California. |
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Post by oldnewbie on Apr 30, 2023 12:30:39 GMT -5
I don’t think anyone in Southern California thinks of Fresno as being in Southern California. It isn't if you divide the state into three sections: northern, central, and southern California. It is if you divide it into two sections: northern and southern California. No, it's not. Look at the actual map above where it is divided in two. When you divide it in two, most or all of the central part goes with Northern California. Here is the AAA map. It doesn't change.  |
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Post by leftcoaster71 on Apr 30, 2023 13:13:01 GMT -5
Depends on where you draw the line. Fresno is 220 miles north of L.A. San Diego is 120 miles south of L.A. That puts FSU and SDSU firmly in "southern California", and the only FBS football schools in the area. FSU and SDSU have been more "competitive" than some current Pac-12 teams. I don’t think anyone in Southern California thinks of Fresno as being in Southern California. No one in NorCal wants to claim Fresno either. I would say it's like the last person picked for dodge ball in gym class but, then there is Modesto... and Merced. |
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 30, 2023 13:27:31 GMT -5
I don’t think anyone in Southern California thinks of Fresno as being in Southern California. It isn't if you divide the state into three sections: northern, central, and southern California. It is if you divide it into two sections: northern and southern California. Nevertheless, Northern California can keep Fresno. We're stuck with Bakersfield. |
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Post by trojansc on Apr 30, 2023 13:45:54 GMT -5
It isn't if you divide the state into three sections: northern, central, and southern California. It is if you divide it into two sections: northern and southern California. Nevertheless, Northern California can keep Fresno. We're stuck with Bakersfield. I would trade Bakersfield for Fresno if given the option - definitely no room for both |
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 30, 2023 13:53:01 GMT -5
Nevertheless, Northern California can keep Fresno. We're stuck with Bakersfield. I would trade Bakersfield for Fresno if given the option - definitely no room for both That's why having Central California as its own division is perfect--we can throw Fresno and Bakersfield into one basket of deplorables (sorry merv). lol |
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 30, 2023 14:05:19 GMT -5
It's not clear to me that the PAC needs any new schools.
But it's not up to me.
It's also not clear to me that the old model of TV throwing billions of dollars at conferences is a sustainable business practice anymore, but that's also not up to me.
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 30, 2023 15:28:07 GMT -5
It's not clear to me that the PAC needs any new schools. But it's not up to me. It's also not clear to me that the old model of TV throwing billions of dollars at conferences is a sustainable business practice anymore, but that's also not up to me. They probably don't need to add any new schools if no one else leaves and if they can secure a competitive TV contract. Those are big ifs, though. |
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Post by staticb on Apr 30, 2023 15:33:02 GMT -5
Maybe Fresno? Although Fresno State is actually "California State University, Fresno". Yes, but their website is www.fresnostate.edu Go figure. From what I understand, none of the Cal-state schools are allowed to call themselves "California State". (Several have tried in the past) |
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Post by oldnewbie on Apr 30, 2023 16:35:02 GMT -5
It's not clear to me that the PAC needs any new schools. But it's not up to me. It's also not clear to me that the old model of TV throwing billions of dollars at conferences is a sustainable business practice anymore, but that's also not up to me. My preference is to keep it as the Pac 10 for a few years until the economics change and everyone realizes the travel is stupid and not worth it, and they go back to being the Pac 12 how they were. There are no other schools in SoCal that fit the Pac 12 profile, so there is no point in adding just to have numbers. Fresno doesn't fit. San Diego Doesn't fit. Taking a second tier team from Texas or Oklahoma doesn't fit and doesn't make sense. It seems like the market for the Pac 12 is plenty big, they have just done a crappy job monetizing it. |
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 30, 2023 16:47:14 GMT -5
From what I understand, none of the Cal-state schools are allowed to call themselves "California State". (Several have tried in the past) Do you mean California State to parallel the way UC Berkeley refers to itself as California (or Cal)? I haven't heard of any CSU school attempt to refer to itself informally in this way. I also don't know who or what exactly has not allowed this. It doesn't make sense for a CSU campus to try to do (or emulate) this because there are 20+ csu campuses, and their main identifier is the city they're in (except for CSU east bay, which used to be called CSU Hayward and petititoned to officially change its name). |
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 30, 2023 16:53:41 GMT -5
It's not clear to me that the PAC needs any new schools. But it's not up to me. It's also not clear to me that the old model of TV throwing billions of dollars at conferences is a sustainable business practice anymore, but that's also not up to me. My preference is to keep it as the Pac 10 for a few years until the economics change and everyone realizes the travel is stupid and not worth it, and they go back to being the Pac 12 how they were. There are no other schools in SoCal that fit the Pac 12 profile, so there is no point in adding just to have numbers. Fresno doesn't fit. San Diego Doesn't fit. Taking a second tier team from Texas or Oklahoma doesn't fit and doesn't make sense. It seems like the market for the Pac 12 is plenty big, they have just done a crappy job monetizing it. USC and UCLA will never come back unless the Big Ten suddenly is faced with a massive reduction in its TV contract. And even then, I think USC would explore other options (probably the SEC) before coming back to a conference that I think it pretty clearly is sick of. |
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Post by oldnewbie on Apr 30, 2023 18:12:36 GMT -5
My preference is to keep it as the Pac 10 for a few years until the economics change and everyone realizes the travel is stupid and not worth it, and they go back to being the Pac 12 how they were. There are no other schools in SoCal that fit the Pac 12 profile, so there is no point in adding just to have numbers. Fresno doesn't fit. San Diego Doesn't fit. Taking a second tier team from Texas or Oklahoma doesn't fit and doesn't make sense. It seems like the market for the Pac 12 is plenty big, they have just done a crappy job monetizing it. USC and UCLA will never come back unless the Big Ten suddenly is faced with a massive reduction in its TV contract. And even then, I think USC would probably explore other options (probably the SEC) before coming back to a conference that I think it pretty clearly is sick of. Never say never. Circumstances always change. |
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