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Post by bbg95 on May 1, 2023 8:22:47 GMT -5
Even if the president and AD moved on, USC isn't coming back. Their leaving the Pac-12 was inevitable. The only question was when. Football clearly drove the decision—but hate for the conference as a reason for leaving is mostly a made up thing. You're entitled to your opinion, but most of the USC fans that I encounter online have disliked the Pac-12 for at least a decade and are happy to be leaving (I'm talking mostly about football here--there aren't nearly enough USC volleyball fans to make any kind of impact on a decision like this). Also, in the aftermath of the announcement, anonymous USC administrators were putting out quotes that painted the same picture. Obviously, football and money were the most important factors, but that's where a lot of the resentment came from. USC felt like it was falling behind its fellow blue bloods and wasn't happy about it. |
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Post by volleyguy on May 1, 2023 10:11:24 GMT -5
Football clearly drove the decision—but hate for the conference as a reason for leaving is mostly a made up thing. You're entitled to your opinion, but most of the USC fans that I encounter online have disliked the Pac-12 for at least a decade and are happy to be leaving (I'm talking mostly about football here--there aren't nearly enough USC volleyball fans to make any kind of impact on a decision like this). Also, in the aftermath of the announcement, anonymous USC administrators were putting out quotes that painted the same picture. Obviously, football and money were the most important factors, but that's where a lot of the resentment came from. USC felt like it was falling behind its fellow blue bloods and wasn't happy about it. I have no doubt that concern over the general strength of football in the PAC, and concern for the trajectory of the conference (ie. the media deal) played a large part, but dissatisfaction with the PAC is not the same as hate. They also aren't/weren't the only school to have those concerns. Now, hate for Larry Scott--that is real. |
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Post by oldnewbie on May 1, 2023 10:31:38 GMT -5
Football clearly drove the decision—but hate for the conference as a reason for leaving is mostly a made up thing. You're entitled to your opinion, but most of the USC fans that I encounter online have disliked the Pac-12 for at least a decade and are happy to be leaving (I'm talking mostly about football here--there aren't nearly enough USC volleyball fans to make any kind of impact on a decision like this). Also, in the aftermath of the announcement, anonymous USC administrators were putting out quotes that painted the same picture. Obviously, football and money were the most important factors, but that's where a lot of the resentment came from. USC felt like it was falling behind its fellow blue bloods and wasn't happy about it. They weren't nearly as concerned the previous 10 years when they were regularly at the top. USC can't blame the Pac12 for Lane Kiffin, Steve Sarkisian, and Clay Helton. |
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Post by bbg95 on May 1, 2023 11:15:07 GMT -5
You're entitled to your opinion, but most of the USC fans that I encounter online have disliked the Pac-12 for at least a decade and are happy to be leaving (I'm talking mostly about football here--there aren't nearly enough USC volleyball fans to make any kind of impact on a decision like this). Also, in the aftermath of the announcement, anonymous USC administrators were putting out quotes that painted the same picture. Obviously, football and money were the most important factors, but that's where a lot of the resentment came from. USC felt like it was falling behind its fellow blue bloods and wasn't happy about it. They weren't nearly as concerned the previous 10 years when they were regularly at the top. USC can't blame the Pac12 for Lane Kiffin, Steve Sarkisian, and Clay Helton. USC of course made its own mistakes. That doesn't really change the bottom line, though, that the Pac-12 was poorly managed. And a lot can change in 10 years. Just over a decade ago, the Pac-12 nearly got Texas and Oklahoma to join. That didn't happen, and it's been downhill since. |
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Post by vbnerd on May 1, 2023 11:51:54 GMT -5
Yeah but who is USC? The AD, president, et al could have moved on in a few years and it's a whole new ball game. Even if the president and AD moved on, USC isn't coming back. Their leaving the Pac-12 was inevitable. The only question was when. I'm not holding my breath, but with college sports these days, never say never. |
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Post by greatlakesvballer on May 1, 2023 12:10:46 GMT -5
Mr. Ed said: UCLA and USC will both regret it Women's VB wise Please explain this comment. I'm not following you. IMO, they're just going to enhance the B1G's reputation as a/the top volleyball conference. |
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Post by nowhereman on May 1, 2023 12:20:38 GMT -5
My gut tells me the pac12 is toast. Just a matter of when,and not if, the last rites are given. I try not to go insane following the latest news or conjecture but the fact nothing is done at this point I take as a bad omen.
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Post by redbeard2008 on May 1, 2023 12:26:46 GMT -5
It's not clear to me that the PAC needs any new schools. But it's not up to me. It's also not clear to me that the old model of TV throwing billions of dollars at conferences is a sustainable business practice anymore, but that's also not up to me. They probably don't need to add any new schools if no one else leaves and if they can secure a competitive TV contract. Those are big ifs, though. But not having any schools in "southern" California (south of Palo Alto), with USC and UCLA leaving, could be why they're having trouble securing a competitive TV contract. Unless LBSU restarts their football program, SDSU and Fresno State are the only schools that can come close to filling that bill. |
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Post by oldnewbie on May 1, 2023 12:32:14 GMT -5
They weren't nearly as concerned the previous 10 years when they were regularly at the top. USC can't blame the Pac12 for Lane Kiffin, Steve Sarkisian, and Clay Helton. USC of course made its own mistakes. That doesn't really change the bottom line, though, that the Pac-12 was poorly managed. And a lot can change in 10 years. Just over a decade ago, the Pac-12 nearly got Texas and Oklahoma to join. That didn't happen, and it's been downhill since. That's pretty much what I am saying. Fortunes can change very quickly. Yes, the Pac-12 has been poorly managed, but it's also true that USC and UCLA are 1/6th of the league could have proposed changes to better monetize the league. If conditions change and the league is better run and better monetized relative to the B10, then things may change again. Personally, I think it makes the most sense for the Pac-12 and B10 to semi-merge their football and basketball but leave all other sports as is. |
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Post by oldnewbie on May 1, 2023 12:38:56 GMT -5
They probably don't need to add any new schools if no one else leaves and if they can secure a competitive TV contract. Those are big ifs, though. But not having any schools in "southern" California (south of Palo Alto), with USC and UCLA leaving, could be why they're having trouble securing a competitive TV contract. Unless LBSU restarts their football program, SDSU and Fresno State are the only schools that can come close to filling that bill. Cal State Fullerton also dropped DI football. There is no replacement for UCLA and USC, so it is dumb for the Pac12 to try. If UCLA and USC suddenly ceased to exist, then you would look for next up. As it is, they still suck all the air out of the room and it doesn't really matter who else tries to step up. |
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Post by Gladys Kravitz on May 1, 2023 20:28:59 GMT -5
Mr. Ed said: UCLA and USC will both regret it Women's VB wise Please explain this comment. I'm not following you. IMO, they're just going to enhance the B1G's reputation as a/the top volleyball conference. Brutal travel schedule |
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Post by johnbar on May 1, 2023 22:32:03 GMT -5
Note that even "Long Beach State University" is officially "California State University Long Beach". I don't know what they say on campus, but I've always heard it referred to as "Long Beach State" and "LBSU". University: www.csulb.edu/Atheltics: longbeachstate.com/OTOH, the San Francisco and San Jose institutions are officially "San Francisco State University" (SFSU) and "San José State University" (SJSU) |
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Post by Brutus Buckeye on May 1, 2023 23:19:07 GMT -5
How do you rank the CA D1 VB programs?
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Post by oldnewbie on May 2, 2023 2:19:14 GMT -5
Please explain this comment. I'm not following you. IMO, they're just going to enhance the B1G's reputation as a/the top volleyball conference. Brutal travel schedule Half their league matches are at home plus one additional match just across town, right? For all other league matches the brutal travel goes the other direction, right? So they will share the biggest home advantage in the league? |
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Post by oldnewbie on May 2, 2023 2:30:32 GMT -5
How do you rank the CA D1 VB programs? Stanford USD USC UCLA Pepperdine Long Beach State Santa Barbara Cal Poly Cal San Jose State San Diego State LMU Pacific Santa Clara UC Irvine UC San Diego UC Davis St Mary's Fresno State San Francisco Cal State Fullerton Cal State Northridge Cal State Bakersfield UC Riverside |
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