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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 30, 2023 18:24:02 GMT -5
My preference is to keep it as the Pac 10 for a few years until the economics change and everyone realizes the travel is stupid and not worth it, and they go back to being the Pac 12 how they were. Not gonna happen. Maybe UCLA might start regretting the decision, but I think USC has definitely burned all the bridges. |
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Post by Gladys Kravitz on Apr 30, 2023 18:24:40 GMT -5
It's not clear to me that the PAC needs any new schools. But it's not up to me. It's also not clear to me that the old model of TV throwing billions of dollars at conferences is a sustainable business practice anymore, but that's also not up to me. There have been conversations where the PAC 12 goes to streaming their contests. This would be a disaster. The Pac 12 should take any deal they can get. They are going to get lowballed but they need to stay relevant and 5 years from now see how things shake out. |
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Post by Gladys Kravitz on Apr 30, 2023 18:26:38 GMT -5
My preference is to keep it as the Pac 10 for a few years until the economics change and everyone realizes the travel is stupid and not worth it, and they go back to being the Pac 12 how they were. Not gonna happen. Maybe UCLA might start regretting the decision, but I think USC has definitely burned all the bridges. UCLA will regret it basketball wise. USC will regret it Football wise. UCLA and USC will both regret it Women's VB wise |
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Post by staticb on Apr 30, 2023 18:54:22 GMT -5
Do you mean California State to parallel the way UC Berkeley refers to itself as California (or Cal)? I haven't heard of any CSU school attempt to refer to itself informally in this way. I also don't know who or what exactly has not allowed this. It doesn't make sense for a CSU campus to try to do (or emulate) this because there are 20+ csu campuses, and their main identifier is the city they're in (except for CSU east bay, which used to be called CSU Hayward and petititoned to officially change its name). Yes like Oregon-Oregon State etc. Being called "California State" is much better for marketing/sports purposes. |
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Post by Brutus Buckeye on Apr 30, 2023 19:12:52 GMT -5
Fresno is clearly on the outskirts of the Northern California galaxy.  |
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Post by oldnewbie on Apr 30, 2023 19:17:50 GMT -5
My preference is to keep it as the Pac 10 for a few years until the economics change and everyone realizes the travel is stupid and not worth it, and they go back to being the Pac 12 how they were. Not gonna happen. Maybe UCLA might start regretting the decision, but I think USC has definitely burned all the bridges. You are talking like a jilted fan. Truth is that the Pac 12 f'd up in their deals, saw perfectly well that UCLA and USC were angling to leave and didn't take care of business. The bridges you think USC burnt, the Pac12 would happily rebuild in a heartbeat. Not a chance the Pac12 ever says "sorry, we've been talking to Fresno State, so it is too late to accept you back". |
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Post by oldnewbie on Apr 30, 2023 19:21:26 GMT -5
Not gonna happen. Maybe UCLA might start regretting the decision, but I think USC has definitely burned all the bridges. UCLA will regret it basketball wise. USC will regret it Football wise. UCLA and USC will both regret it Women's VB wise Why? Why? Why and why? I think you are wrong on all counts. They are already competing without the extra money and recruiting exposure. |
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 30, 2023 19:33:50 GMT -5
Not gonna happen. Maybe UCLA might start regretting the decision, but I think USC has definitely burned all the bridges. You are talking like a jilted fan. Truth is that the Pac 12 f'd up in their deals, saw perfectly well that UCLA and USC were angling to leave and didn't take care of business. The bridges you think USC burnt, the Pac12 would happily rebuild in a heartbeat. Not a chance the Pac12 ever says "sorry, we've been talking to Fresno State, so it is too late to accept you back". Apparently you misunderstood me. I did not say that the conference burned the bridges. I believe that USC burned the bridges, as in that USC has no interest or desire to ever come back. |
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 30, 2023 19:47:34 GMT -5
Do you mean California State to parallel the way UC Berkeley refers to itself as California (or Cal)? I haven't heard of any CSU school attempt to refer to itself informally in this way. I also don't know who or what exactly has not allowed this. It doesn't make sense for a CSU campus to try to do (or emulate) this because there are 20+ csu campuses, and their main identifier is the city they're in (except for CSU east bay, which used to be called CSU Hayward and petititoned to officially change its name). Yes like Oregon-Oregon State etc. Being called "California State" is much better for marketing/sports purposes. I honestly don’t think that’s a thing. Which CSU campus has ever tried that? |
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 30, 2023 19:50:29 GMT -5
UCLA will regret it basketball wise. USC will regret it Football wise. UCLA and USC will both regret it Women's VB wise Why? Why? Why and why? I think you are wrong on all counts. They are already competing without the extra money and recruiting exposure. I think the move will likely prove to be a good one. I don’t think there’s an extra money yet, unless it’s coming directly from boosters, but they are probably benefitting recruiting-wise already from the anticipated move. |
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 30, 2023 21:48:59 GMT -5
USC and UCLA will never come back unless the Big Ten suddenly is faced with a massive reduction in its TV contract. And even then, I think USC would explore other options (probably the SEC) before coming back to a conference that I think it pretty clearly is sick of. Never say never. Circumstances always change. I laid out the reason that would be needed for USC to leave the Big 10, as unlikely as it may be. But like I said, I think USC would explore basically any other option (SEC, going independent) before going back to the Pac-12. I really think USC dislikes the conference apart from their fellow California schools. |
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Post by vbnerd on Apr 30, 2023 23:01:16 GMT -5
Never say never. Circumstances always change. I laid out the reason that would be needed for USC to leave the Big 10, as unlikely as it may be. But like I said, I think USC would explore basically any other option (SEC, going independent) before going back to the Pac-12. I really think USC dislikes the conference apart from their fellow California schools. Yeah but who is USC? The AD, president, et al could have moved on in a few years and it's a whole new ball game. |
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Post by bbg95 on May 1, 2023 0:00:45 GMT -5
I laid out the reason that would be needed for USC to leave the Big 10, as unlikely as it may be. But like I said, I think USC would explore basically any other option (SEC, going independent) before going back to the Pac-12. I really think USC dislikes the conference apart from their fellow California schools. Yeah but who is USC? The AD, president, et al could have moved on in a few years and it's a whole new ball game. Even if the president and AD moved on, USC isn't coming back. Their leaving the Pac-12 was inevitable. The only question was when. |
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Post by volleyguy on May 1, 2023 0:48:24 GMT -5
Yeah but who is USC? The AD, president, et al could have moved on in a few years and it's a whole new ball game. Even if the president and AD moved on, USC isn't coming back. Their leaving the Pac-12 was inevitable. The only question was when. Football clearly drove the decision—but hate for the conference as a reason for leaving is mostly a made up thing. |
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Post by oldnewbie on May 1, 2023 2:19:38 GMT -5
You are talking like a jilted fan. Truth is that the Pac 12 f'd up in their deals, saw perfectly well that UCLA and USC were angling to leave and didn't take care of business. The bridges you think USC burnt, the Pac12 would happily rebuild in a heartbeat. Not a chance the Pac12 ever says "sorry, we've been talking to Fresno State, so it is too late to accept you back". Apparently you misunderstood me. I did not say that the conference burned the bridges. I believe that USC burned the bridges, as in that USC has no interest or desire to ever come back. Sorry if I misunderstood you. I took USC burning bridges to mean the league would not welcome them back. I have no doubt the league would welcome back by far the two biggest college draws in SoCal, and I don't think for a minute that USC is too proud to come back if the money and exposure worked out. Just my opinion, obviously. |
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