CEV EuroVolley 2023

[mberlanda]

Sept 1, 2023 15:22:47 GMT -5 happybyte said:

Sept 1, 2023 15:19:06 GMT -5 mberlanda said:

Now, however, enough of the racism against Egonu.
In the world there are racist idiots everywhere but to bring up this topic every time really is getting tired.
Probably Mazzanti was wrong but it has nothing to do with racism.

This time around was nepotism.

Italy literally begged her to come back to the team for what, to bench her whole tournament, and never started in 6?

This is a question to ask Mazzanti.
If well managed, everything can be useful. The Italian team, in my opinion, has "character" problems and some emotional fragility. If benching Egonu means empowering the other players, it can be a useful "move." I hope Mazzanti was clear with the players and explained his choices. Or that the federation will find a replacement although, I don't know, who would feel like replacing Mazzanti.

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Well at least Tijana can block even if she can’t kill a ball if her life depended on it today

[fireandwater]

Sept 1, 2023 15:24:31 GMT -5 trojansc said:

Sept 1, 2023 15:15:03 GMT -5 fireandwater said:

But Turkiye also changed the whole team as well, it wasn’t just Vargas, nobody is denying how talented she is.
The whole team is playing great. Middle blockers are one of the best in the world, libero as well. Setter isn’t in her best form but she’s the Champions League Champion setter. Outside hitter Karakurt is another terminator and she’s passing dimes as an OH. Homegirl was horrible in that last year.
Anyway, this whole Vargas is the only best thing in the team is a bit ridiculous 😂

You know, when you add a certain player to a team, it can easily make other players better (or at least appear better), right?

Nobody is saying Vargas is the only good player on the Turkish team. If you've read this board long enough, you know there's plenty Eda Erdem (and to a lesser extent, Gunes).

But anyone looking at the Turkish team and NOT seeing that THE SINGLE biggest difference is in Vargas, not the other changes, then, they're simply wrong. Period.

Of course because of her position it looks like that. She’s the opposite and she needs to carry the highest points like in most of the teams.
The only thing I don’t like is when people act like Turkiye wasn’t a good team before Vargas. they were a good team, now with all the changes they’re a better team.

If you ask me the biggest change is Santarelli. Turkiye would have still flopped in a 5 setter or high pressure games if Guidetti was still coaching them. He destroyed the team’s morale and confidence any way he could.

[happybyte]

Sept 1, 2023 15:24:31 GMT -5 trojansc said:

Sept 1, 2023 15:15:03 GMT -5 fireandwater said:

But Turkiye also changed the whole team as well, it wasn’t just Vargas, nobody is denying how talented she is.
The whole team is playing great. Middle blockers are one of the best in the world, libero as well. Setter isn’t in her best form but she’s the Champions League Champion setter. Outside hitter Karakurt is another terminator and she’s passing dimes as an OH. Homegirl was horrible in that last year.
Anyway, this whole Vargas is the only best thing in the team is a bit ridiculous 😂

You know, when you add a certain player to a team, it can easily make other players better (or at least appear better), right?

Nobody is saying Vargas is the only good player on the Turkish team. If you've read this board long enough, you know there's plenty Eda Erdem (and to a lesser extent, Gunes).

But anyone looking at the Turkish team and NOT seeing that THE SINGLE biggest difference is in Vargas, not the other changes, then, they're simply wrong. Period.

Vargas was missing star for sure, as every other elite team has (Boskovic, Egonu)

But without Santarelli and contributions of Ebrar Karakurt Turkish team as a whole could not get where they are now.

[Disc808]

Oh my Busa took it out on the ball

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Sept 1, 2023 15:29:50 GMT -5 happybyte said:

Sept 1, 2023 15:24:31 GMT -5 trojansc said:

You know, when you add a certain player to a team, it can easily make other players better (or at least appear better), right?

Nobody is saying Vargas is the only good player on the Turkish team. If you've read this board long enough, you know there's plenty Eda Erdem (and to a lesser extent, Gunes).

But anyone looking at the Turkish team and NOT seeing that THE SINGLE biggest difference is in Vargas, not the other changes, then, they're simply wrong. Period.

Vargas was missing star for sure, as every other elite team has (Boskovic, Egonu)

But without Santarelli and contributions of Ebrar Karakurt Turkish team as a whole could not get where they are now.

Ebrar only gets to contribute like that because of Vargas lol

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Sept 1, 2023 15:32:24 GMT -5 Disc808 said:

Oh my Busa took it out on the ball

ugh she was playing so well until that

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Wait that was an actual bosko swing

[Disc808]

Oof Jasper is not the player you want taking swings at this juncture

[fireandwater]

Netherlands gave so much hope and flopped so quickly

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Turkey is going to destroy us. R.I.P.

[trojansc]

Sept 1, 2023 15:29:00 GMT -5 fireandwater said:

Sept 1, 2023 15:24:31 GMT -5 trojansc said:

You know, when you add a certain player to a team, it can easily make other players better (or at least appear better), right?

Nobody is saying Vargas is the only good player on the Turkish team. If you've read this board long enough, you know there's plenty Eda Erdem (and to a lesser extent, Gunes).

But anyone looking at the Turkish team and NOT seeing that THE SINGLE biggest difference is in Vargas, not the other changes, then, they're simply wrong. Period.

Of course because of her position it looks like that. She’s the opposite and she needs to carry the highest points like in most of the teams.
The only thing I don’t like is when people act like Turkiye wasn’t a good team before Vargas. they were a good team, now with all the changes they’re a better team.

If you ask me the biggest change is Santarelli. Turkiye would have still flopped in a 5 setter or high pressure games if Guidetti was still coaching them. He destroyed the team’s morale and confidence any way he could.

If the biggest change is Santarelli, you’re telling me you would have chosen Santa over Vargas if you could only have one?

[mberlanda]

Sept 1, 2023 15:37:26 GMT -5 trojansc said:

Sept 1, 2023 15:29:00 GMT -5 fireandwater said:

Of course because of her position it looks like that. She’s the opposite and she needs to carry the highest points like in most of the teams.
The only thing I don’t like is when people act like Turkiye wasn’t a good team before Vargas. they were a good team, now with all the changes they’re a better team.

If you ask me the biggest change is Santarelli. Turkiye would have still flopped in a 5 setter or high pressure games if Guidetti was still coaching them. He destroyed the team’s morale and confidence any way he could.

If the biggest change is Santarelli, you’re telling me you would have chosen Santa over Vargas if you could only have one?

Santarelli is good but with Vargas, Guidetti would have won as well.

[fireandwater]

Sept 1, 2023 15:37:26 GMT -5 trojansc said:

Sept 1, 2023 15:29:00 GMT -5 fireandwater said:

Of course because of her position it looks like that. She’s the opposite and she needs to carry the highest points like in most of the teams.
The only thing I don’t like is when people act like Turkiye wasn’t a good team before Vargas. they were a good team, now with all the changes they’re a better team.

If you ask me the biggest change is Santarelli. Turkiye would have still flopped in a 5 setter or high pressure games if Guidetti was still coaching them. He destroyed the team’s morale and confidence any way he could.

If the biggest change is Santarelli, you’re telling me you would have chosen Santa over Vargas if you could only have one?

I would choose Santa but you’re just generating this imaginary what if question to prove your point. So i think we’re done here 😂

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Maja really saved our asses. Boskovic with 30 points but looked tragic lol