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Post by bzo on Sept 16, 2023 14:10:53 GMT -5
Hmm. I'm not sure. I was using the ranking calculator that avid 2.0 has linked to in order to calculate the scenarios I did, but I'm not sure if that is up to date or if weight has changed? Never know with the FIVB. this one I assume? It uses 35 as MWF for OQT as per FIVB's documentation. So if FIVB really have lowered it to 25 (without updating the docs) that calculation page will give wrong calculations for OQT matches. |
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Post by newbeach on Sept 16, 2023 14:25:18 GMT -5
China has a very favorable schedule. They play all their matches at the same time. They have a nice mix of days off and also play the lesser-ranked teams first (and work up to the higher-ranked teams). I haven't looked but are the other hosts scheduled the same way? Canada plays the Netherlands and then the Dominican Republic with less than 24 hours between matches. They would probably do better with a few "easier" matches to warm up as they were quite rusty after the NORCECA continental championships. Their starters hadn't played since the VNL due to having some time off to recuperate from injuries (they still have some injuries, unfortunately). They typically start slow in tournaments and playing the Netherlands (who have been playing well) will be a tough test to start the tournament. With their limited bench, playing the better teams from the start might in some ways be good for them. I think the Dominican Republic playing Canada (after Canada plays the Netherlands with less than a 24-hour break) will be advantageous for them. They also seem to play better when well-rested. I thought everyone had the same day off. With hosts seeded #1, the round robin rules dictate that they play from 8 to 2.
You could be right as far as day off. tbh I really haven't looked at that closely. China as the #1 seed does have a favorable schedule (dictated by round robin play). That and not having to travel great distances as the NORCECA teams (not just for this tournament but for the VNL as well). Some teams have put a lot of km/miles this summer. |
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Post by nonathleticperson on Sept 16, 2023 14:39:16 GMT -5
Holy !!!!###$$$!!!. What a game for Canada. So huge. Brie King was the MVP of this game. Massive digs, excellent set choices. I thought she was going to choke when she started to spray some sets in the 5th there, but excellent job from her. Also a huge kudos to Winzer. I hate coaching based on emotions but she had a good feel of the game with regards to her subbing of Howe, Mitrovic and Savard. Howe is our weakness and almost costed us the game with her passing and defense... but we wouldn't have won this game without her coming up big offensively. KVR... I have some major issues with whoever coached her swing and approach. This inside out arm swing is beautiful when it works, but is incredibly high error. I swear she's forgotten how to swing normally or cross body. Never seen an opposite so adverse or unable to hitting cross court. Her incredible athleticism contributed to some excellent defensive play however. Gray is goated. Excellent performance. Did we watch the same game? King sucked bad - for a good portion of the match, but she also had some great moments - as did the whole team which is why they were blown out in two sets. Gray is the GOAT on this team for a reason. KVR played one of her better matches in months and it is good to see her coming back into form so I wouldn't be so hard on her. I thought she did great overall. Starting a match with Howe is a mistake. Howe is better as a spark off the bench. She was a passing target (rightfully so, by the Netherlands). I prefer Mitrovic to start and then pull her when she struggles. Howe is a go all-one-gear, kind of player. This is great when you are behind or need a comeback, but she is a major liability. Winzer is finally realizing this but not sure why she started with Howe today. I agree, Winzer's team made some good calls on substitutions when they were made. Given their limited bench, they were used fairly well... not sure about putting Shaniah in though (but it did allow KVR to come back in more energized). So, I guess it helped?
I disagree about King's performance. I won't try to change your mind about it.
KVR had a much more natural swing and approach whilst at UBC. Something happened when she transitioned to opposite while pro. She still played well, just not something I'm happy with seeing.
Shaniah being our backup opposite is a tragedy... not that we have much alternatives.
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Post by newbeach on Sept 16, 2023 15:03:27 GMT -5
Did we watch the same game? King sucked bad - for a good portion of the match, but she also had some great moments - as did the whole team which is why they were blown out in two sets. Gray is the GOAT on this team for a reason. KVR played one of her better matches in months and it is good to see her coming back into form so I wouldn't be so hard on her. I thought she did great overall. Starting a match with Howe is a mistake. Howe is better as a spark off the bench. She was a passing target (rightfully so, by the Netherlands). I prefer Mitrovic to start and then pull her when she struggles. Howe is a go all-one-gear, kind of player. This is great when you are behind or need a comeback, but she is a major liability. Winzer is finally realizing this but not sure why she started with Howe today. I agree, Winzer's team made some good calls on substitutions when they were made. Given their limited bench, they were used fairly well... not sure about putting Shaniah in though (but it did allow KVR to come back in more energized). So, I guess it helped?
I disagree about King's performance. I won't try to change your mind about it.
KVR had a much more natural swing and approach whilst at UBC. Something happened when she transitioned to opposite while pro. She still played well, just not something I'm happy with seeing.
Shaniah being our backup opposite is a tragedy... not that we have much alternatives.
KVR was playing great in Turkiye before her personal issues took their toll. She is not on form yet, so hopefully it is something that will still improve. Canada should have tried to recruit Veltman as an OPP. She was hitting from the pins in the Serbian league with good success. She played some OPP at Western as well. She was always a step behind Cross and Maglio at middle, but she would have been better at OPP. Even Gorrell, would have been a better choice and both her and Veltman are good blockers. Shaniah is just not going to get where she needs to be and Grills just isn't there either. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2023 15:59:59 GMT -5
China Group: Canada, China, Czechia, Dominican Republic, Mexico, Netherlands, Serbia, Ukraine Japan Group: Argentina, Belgium, Brazil, Bulgaria, Japan, Peru, Puerto Rico, Turkey ill make fancy some other time. waiting for fancy front page |
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Post by ironhammer on Sept 16, 2023 17:29:29 GMT -5
I am not impressed either. The field is wide open at this point. They should be able to get the job done. Also they are already leading their main rivals the dutch and the dominicans by a match win. I have to see them beat both first. I agree they should beat them on paper. What I am getting at though is that while "should" win is all nice and well, its"actually" winning that counts in the end. Chins is shaky so I am not entirely confident. |
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Post by ironhammer on Sept 16, 2023 17:32:51 GMT -5
Serbia should qualify even with their setting situation. It's China who I think could make qualification interestingly. Right now, I assume China is more stable than the others and takes 2nd here. I posted earlier that I thought China had potential to flame-out in this tourney due to a lot of instability. I still think it's a strong possibility. That is what I am thinking too. China has been inconsistent...they lack Zhu Ting and you just have little confidence in how they will do each match. |
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Post by c4ndlelight on Sept 16, 2023 19:26:47 GMT -5
What I hate about this format is so many matches that are noncompetitive and/or inconsequential.
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Post by avid 2.0 on Sept 16, 2023 19:28:46 GMT -5
What I hate about this format is so many matches that are noncompetitive and/or inconsequential. 24 teams is way too many… 18 would’ve been sufficient |
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Post by c4ndlelight on Sept 16, 2023 19:30:45 GMT -5
What I hate about this format is so many matches that are noncompetitive and/or inconsequential. 24 teams is way too many… 18 would’ve been sufficient Or have a pre-qualifier for 12-24? |
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Post by avid 2.0 on Sept 16, 2023 19:32:37 GMT -5
24 teams is way too many… 18 would’ve been sufficient Or have a pre-qualifier for 12-24? I think you’re entering the too many games territory (esp since this year is a continental year) This field would not miss Colombia Slovenia Mexico Korea Puerto Rico Peru |
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Post by c4ndlelight on Sept 16, 2023 19:35:31 GMT -5
Or have a pre-qualifier for 12-24? I think you’re entering the too many games territory (esp since this year is a continental year) This field would not miss Colombia Slovenia Mexico Korea Puerto Rico Peru They're still doing Continental priority, so they could have Continentals be qualifiers. Then send the next highest 12 ranked to play for 6 spots. |
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Post by ironhammer on Sept 16, 2023 19:53:42 GMT -5
Or have a pre-qualifier for 12-24? I think you’re entering the too many games territory (esp since this year is a continental year) This field would not miss Colombia Slovenia Mexico Korea Puerto Rico Peru Korea stinks...looks like they will be missing out on Paris. This will be the first time Korea is absent from the Olympics...in a long time. |
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Post by avid 2.0 on Sept 16, 2023 19:54:23 GMT -5
I think you’re entering the too many games territory (esp since this year is a continental year) This field would not miss Colombia Slovenia Mexico Korea Puerto Rico Peru Korea stinks...looks like they will be missing out on Paris. This will be the first time Korea is absent from the Olympics...in a long time. i think they've only missed Athens since like 1996 or 1992 |
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Post by ironhammer on Sept 16, 2023 20:41:26 GMT -5
Or have a pre-qualifier for 12-24? I think you’re entering the too many games territory (esp since this year is a continental year) This field would not miss Colombia Slovenia Mexico Korea Puerto Rico Peru Interesting thing about Peru. Today they are minnows in international volleyball. But there was a time when their women volleyball team was a force to be reckoned with. In the 1980s the Peru women volleyball team actually earned decent results, culminating in an Olympic silver at the 1988 Olympics. The 80s was also a time when Peru was mired in civil war and economic doldrums, their volleyball team was a sort of shining star amid the gloom in their country at the time. Alas, they could not sustain their form and fell from the top tier of international volleyball in the 90s. The last Olympics they qualified for was Sydney where they finished 11th. |
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