Paris Olympic Qualification - China/Japan - Sept 16-24

[trojansc]

I'm really excited to see Ariana take over the offense. It's so crazy seeing her out there as a 17 year-old on this stage.

[newbeach]

Sept 18, 2023 22:50:45 GMT -5 ironhammer said:

Sept 18, 2023 22:36:29 GMT -5 newbeach said:

I think frantic says it all. I can tell they were making stupid errors because they would take the ball away from someone else in a better position to pass. KVR played a little desperate at times and I didn't think King played any defence after the first set. Jost is just so inexperienced but she will get better. 

They couldn't get anything going at all. None of the hitters got in any rhythm. 

I totally disagree with you all who say that Serbia had low energy. They got up for this match because they wanted to beat them after their last match. They didn't take Canada lightly (well, until they were up two sets).   But, hey, I guess to you all Canada sucks so, it won't make any difference.   Canada's weaknesses get exposed and Winzer isn't capable of, well anything. Now who wants to say that maybe Winzer isn't that bad? People, she is awful. Other teams have their game plan for Canada, but they have no real coaching...they haven't made any changes, it's just go out there and "play hard". 

I get the sense that because Canada pulled off an upset win over Serbia in the VNL, the expectation is that the game would be more competitive than what we got. So I get why there is a feeling of "shocking disappointment" at the blow out loss suffered by Canada. But here's the thing, when you have the likes of Boskovic and Maja on their A game, Canada never stood a chance. This is the Olympic Qualification tournament, when a ticket to Paris is up for grabs, Serbia is not going to mess around. They are going to come out with all guns blazing. They will hold nothing back.

The curious thing is why Winzer would have thought otherwise. She seem to think this can be repeat of that VNL match. But this is not the VNL. She should have anticipated this. But she clearly did not. I guess in that sense Winzer is still very much an "amateur" compared to the far more accomplished and experienced Guidetti. 

Can you put Canada down anymore? Jeez. Canada is not as bad as this match or tonight. That said, they have some serious issues that are not being addressed and the coaching or lack there of, is atrocious ... if you only knew the half of it. They don't stand a chance because they are not properly prepared and other teams have scouted them and have an actual game plan. Canada has no game plan (at least not one that makes sense).

On a good day, with Gray playing well and if KVR could get back to her best form, if King would utilize Maglio even a little (who got a whopping 3 lousy sets), they can be competitive (with a little luck, tbf) despite the coaching holding them back. Some of these athletes are just as good as top players on other teams but they are being held back. 

Serbia is not going to hold back and why would they? I am fairly certain that Canada knows that Serbia with Bosko, in particular, is an extremely tough match. That doesn't mean they shouldn't go in expecting to take a set off them or possibly win. Bosko has had her share of ups and downs. Uzelac didn't exactly play well today.

The Serbian team is obviously more complete (how many have Olympic experience?). Guidetti has been getting the team used to his system and he has a game plan for Canada. Winzer has nothing but bad game plans. She is holding the team back. Even the players get confused by what she asks them to do at times. No one but some clowns on this board, actually think that Winzer is anything but a high school-level coach.

It is such a disgrace to the girls that have some talent that they brought on Winzer as a coach. I can't even...another coach would have them more organized and coached. They literally do not get the coaching and have been relying on their athleticism for some time. This is why they look disorganized out there, because no one is coaching them! I feel bad mostly for Alexa because I know she would like to go to the Olympics like her sister, and I don't know if she or some of the players will bother to stick around for another 4 years. This is the forever story of Volleyball Canada...good athletes that leave the team because VC doesn't invest in the coaching. The athletes get discouraged and leave. They play only club or switch to beach volleyball. They are never properly supported.

[trojansc]

DOM is up 2-0 but tied at 28 with Ukraine in the 3rd set because.... DOM.

[trojansc]

A Dominican sweep! 31-29 they close out Ukraine in the 3rd set. Mexico up next.

[bzo]

Bulgaria has 2-1 on Brazil(!) Didn't see that coming, especially not after Brazil winning the 1st set 25-13.

[Resident Bitchy Canadian Fan]

Lol woke up in the middle of the night to.. bulgaria up 2-1 on brazil omg

[myhouse911]

This Bulgarian OPP, no words for some of these 'swings' she has attempted in set 4/5.

[ironhammer]

Sept 19, 2023 1:23:56 GMT -5 newbeach said:

Sept 18, 2023 22:50:45 GMT -5 ironhammer said:

I get the sense that because Canada pulled off an upset win over Serbia in the VNL, the expectation is that the game would be more competitive than what we got. So I get why there is a feeling of "shocking disappointment" at the blow out loss suffered by Canada. But here's the thing, when you have the likes of Boskovic and Maja on their A game, Canada never stood a chance. This is the Olympic Qualification tournament, when a ticket to Paris is up for grabs, Serbia is not going to mess around. They are going to come out with all guns blazing. They will hold nothing back.

The curious thing is why Winzer would have thought otherwise. She seem to think this can be repeat of that VNL match. But this is not the VNL. She should have anticipated this. But she clearly did not. I guess in that sense Winzer is still very much an "amateur" compared to the far more accomplished and experienced Guidetti. 

Can you put Canada down anymore? Jeez. Canada is not as bad as this match or tonight. That said, they have some serious issues that are not being addressed and the coaching or lack there of, is atrocious ... if you only knew the half of it. They don't stand a chance because they are not properly prepared and other teams have scouted them and have an actual game plan. Canada has no game plan (at least not one that makes sense).

On a good day, with Gray playing well and if KVR could get back to her best form, if King would utilize Maglio even a little (who got a whopping 3 lousy sets), they can be competitive (with a little luck, tbf) despite the coaching holding them back. Some of these athletes are just as good as top players on other teams but they are being held back. 

Serbia is not going to hold back and why would they? I am fairly certain that Canada knows that Serbia with Bosko, in particular, is an extremely tough match. That doesn't mean they shouldn't go in expecting to take a set off them or possibly win. Bosko has had her share of ups and downs. Uzelac didn't exactly play well today.

The Serbian team is obviously more complete (how many have Olympic experience?). Guidetti has been getting the team used to his system and he has a game plan for Canada. Winzer has nothing but bad game plans. She is holding the team back. Even the players get confused by what she asks them to do at times. No one but some clowns on this board, actually think that Winzer is anything but a high school-level coach.

It is such a disgrace to the girls that have some talent that they brought on Winzer as a coach. I can't even...another coach would have them more organized and coached. They literally do not get the coaching and have been relying on their athleticism for some time. This is why they look disorganized out there, because no one is coaching them! I feel bad mostly for Alexa because I know she would like to go to the Olympics like her sister, and I don't know if she or some of the players will bother to stick around for another 4 years. This is the forever story of Volleyball Canada...good athletes that leave the team because VC doesn't invest in the coaching. The athletes get discouraged and leave. They play only club or switch to beach volleyball. They are never properly supported.

My apologies for giving the impression that I was kicking Canada when they were already down. Its just my habit of giving...blunt comments. No hard feelings I hope. Yes Serbia is certainly not perfect and Uzelac wasn't necessarily at her best. But they got Boskovic, and she was delivering, and that was all that matters really. 

And yeah I suppose players like Gray would be in demand from certain other NTs, although that would bring up the complicated nationality issue and the whole "patriotism" thing. 

Winzer, she graduated from UBC and got her prior playing and coaching experience from...Australia, if I am not mistaken? I thought UBC was supposed to have a pretty decent volleyball program (for Canada anyway)? Although Australia is not exactly known for being a hotbed for indoor women volleyball (but they are pretty decent at beach volleyball, no doubt their mild sunny climate and plenty of nice beaches play a role in that). So I am not sure just how qualified she is to coach Canada. But if cash is short at Volleyball Canada, then I guess maybe they couldn't afford to hire a better coach? Either way, its clear she was out-class by Guidetti. Its clear who was the better coach in the match. I think we can agree on that? 

[CAI BIN MUST GO]

Sept 19, 2023 5:47:55 GMT -5 ironhammer said:

Either way, its clear she was out-class by Guidetti. Its clear who was the better coach in the match. I think we can agree on that? 

My friend an avocado toast can out-coach winzer

[CAI BIN MUST GO]

anyways i'm up early watching china-czech republic. better be good

[CAI BIN MUST GO]

smooth sailing, 25-12

[ironhammer]

Sept 19, 2023 6:31:56 GMT -5 CAI BIN MUST GO said:

Sept 19, 2023 5:47:55 GMT -5 ironhammer said:

Either way, its clear she was out-class by Guidetti. Its clear who was the better coach in the match. I think we can agree on that? 

My friend an avocado toast can out-coach winzer

Hehehe....are you sure about that?

[CAI BIN MUST GO]

Sept 19, 2023 6:50:36 GMT -5 CAI BIN MUST GO said:

smooth sailing, 25-12

set 2 25-16

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Sept 19, 2023 6:31:56 GMT -5 CAI BIN MUST GO said:

Sept 19, 2023 5:47:55 GMT -5 ironhammer said:

Either way, its clear she was out-class by Guidetti. It’s clear who was the better coach in the match. I think we can agree on that? 

My friend an avocado toast can out-coach winzer

also like? What did gio even have to do? I’m not saying he did a bad job but when your team is just that much better on paper he didn’t have to do anything special lmao. Winzer was very bad tho. Making Busa the serving target is terrible prep

[manyshaped]

not the service error on match point

tragic