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Post by volleynerd on Oct 3, 2023 15:56:50 GMT -5
only 269 days as speaker lmao
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Post by staticb on Oct 3, 2023 16:02:23 GMT -5
So I have a stupid question--why are the all the Democrats unanimously voting to remove him?
Yes I get he's a republican but the alternative isn't guaranteed to be better and McCarthy is more likely to work with Democrats than the Freedom Caucus or whatever?
Why are they wasting time with dysfunction when there's work to be done?
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Post by Mocha on Oct 3, 2023 16:09:03 GMT -5
So I have a stupid question--why are the all the Democrats unanimously voting to remove him? Yes I get he's a republican but the alternative isn't guaranteed to be better and McCarthy is more likely to work with Democrats than the Freedom Caucus or whatever? Why are they wasting time with dysfunction when there's work to be done? There could also be a GOP alternative that will be able to rally the party away from the Freedom Caucus that can gain some Democrats support.
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Post by volleyguy on Oct 3, 2023 16:13:30 GMT -5
So I have a stupid question--why are the all the Democrats unanimously voting to remove him? Yes I get he's a republican but the alternative isn't guaranteed to be better and McCarthy is more likely to work with Democrats than the Freedom Caucus or whatever? Why are they wasting time with dysfunction when there's work to be done? Not a stupid question at all. If enough Democrats voted Nay, they could have caused the motion to fail. I assume they didn't choose that path because it would have maintained the status quo, which is untenable. So vacating the speakership, and then allowing McCarthy (or someone else) to try to cobble a speakership together is probably a better bargaining position if there is to be any Democrat participation. The speaker is elected by a majority of those voting, so it's possible for the Democrats (or some Republicans) to simply not vote (or not to be present in the chamber), or to vote present (which counts as a vote). The danger to Republicans would be if somehow Democrats all voted for a Dem and it turned out to be a majority of those voting, which would elect a Dem speaker (highly unlikely to happen, but theoretically possible). I noticed Pelosi did not vote. Not sure if that was intentional, or if she's not physically present. I think she has been advocating to let the Republicans burn on their own.
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Post by nowhereman on Oct 3, 2023 16:28:43 GMT -5
A friend just emailed me and surmised that if he hadn't gone on face the nation and blamed the Democrats for the potential shutdown he may have got some support.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Oct 3, 2023 16:29:07 GMT -5
I think if McCarthy gets ousted, he's not getting the position back. It will be some other Republican, probably someone who will say that he or she is only taking the job in order to help the House heal and move on. I don't think the Democrats will provide McCarthy the votes to stay on -- not after the way he forced Biden into negotiating over the debt ceiling and then immediately backtracked from the deal. McCarthy has burned all his bridges with the Democrats trying to keep Gaetz from doing this, and Gaetz went ahead and did it anyway. But the question is whether the Democrats would force the GOP to find another Speaker with only their own votes, or if the Dems would accept a deal and vote for a GOP candidate. Problem is, I don't know what sort of deal they could take that they would trust the new Speaker to stick to. I don't see what's possibly in it for Dems to help the GOP out of their own mess. Trumps (supposed GOP leader who apparently doesn't want to lead on this, lol) not wading in because he likes chaos The Dems won't support in GOP speaker, because they want GOP chaos Geatz wants chaos, Gaetz isn't in there for any reason but to appear to be a 'big boy' and strut around like he's actually trying to do something. so we get.....chaos!
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Post by Mocha on Oct 3, 2023 16:36:36 GMT -5
A friend just emailed me and surmised that if he hadn't gone on face the nation and blamed the Democrats for the potential shutdown he may have got some support. Impeachment inquiry, that proceeded without a vote, didn’t help either.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Oct 3, 2023 16:36:59 GMT -5
I hereby nominate Merle Haggard to be Speaker of the House
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Post by mervinswerved on Oct 3, 2023 16:37:24 GMT -5
I don't see what's possibly in it for Dems to help the GOP out of their own mess. Trumps (supposed GOP leader who apparently doesn't want to lead on this, lol) not wading in because he likes chaos The Dems won't support in GOP speaker, because they want GOP chaos Geatz wants chaos, Gaetz isn't in there for any reason but to appear to be a 'big boy' and strut around like he's actually trying to do something. so we get.....chaos! The Democrats won't support a Republican speaker because they're Democrats and not Republicans.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Oct 3, 2023 16:40:03 GMT -5
So I have a stupid question--why are the all the Democrats unanimously voting to remove him? Yes I get he's a republican but the alternative isn't guaranteed to be better and McCarthy is more likely to work with Democrats than the Freedom Caucus or whatever? Why are they wasting time with dysfunction when there's work to be done? Not a stupid question at all. If enough Democrats voted Nay, they could have caused the motion to fail. I assume they didn't choose that path because it would have maintained the status quo, which is untenable. So vacating the speakership, and then allowing McCarthy (or someone else) to try to cobble a speakership together is probably a better bargaining position if there is to be any Democrat participation. The speaker is elected by a majority of those voting, so it's possible for the Democrats (or some Republicans) to simply not vote (or not to be present in the chamber), or to vote present (which counts as a vote). The danger to Republicans would be if somehow Democrats all voted for a Dem and it turned out to be a majority of those voting, which would elect a Dem speaker (highly unlikely to happen, but theoretically possible). I noticed Pelosi did not vote. Not sure if that was intentional, or if she's not physically present. I think she has been advocating to let the Republicans burn on their own. Pelosi accompanied Feinstein’s body back to San Francisco and is still there for the memorial service.
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Post by HOLIDAY on Oct 3, 2023 16:51:29 GMT -5
Not a stupid question at all. If enough Democrats voted Nay, they could have caused the motion to fail. I assume they didn't choose that path because it would have maintained the status quo, which is untenable. So vacating the speakership, and then allowing McCarthy (or someone else) to try to cobble a speakership together is probably a better bargaining position if there is to be any Democrat participation. The speaker is elected by a majority of those voting, so it's possible for the Democrats (or some Republicans) to simply not vote (or not to be present in the chamber), or to vote present (which counts as a vote). The danger to Republicans would be if somehow Democrats all voted for a Dem and it turned out to be a majority of those voting, which would elect a Dem speaker (highly unlikely to happen, but theoretically possible). I noticed Pelosi did not vote. Not sure if that was intentional, or if she's not physically present. I think she has been advocating to let the Republicans burn on their own. Pelosi accompanied Feinstein’s body back to San Francisco and is still there for the memorial service. The first and only time I’ve been impressed with Pelosi. A very honorable thing to do. I really did like Feinstein. She had a grace about her
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Post by c4ndlelight on Oct 3, 2023 16:59:37 GMT -5
One of his girlfriends maybe. Probably have to be at least 18 for the job, I'm guessing. So that won't fly. What's hilarious, of course, is that the folks obsessed with child trafficking and finding pedophiles and groomers looks EVERYWHERE but at him. They'd rather watch Rambo-style movies or harass drag queens and trans people.
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Post by BearClause on Oct 3, 2023 17:11:38 GMT -5
I noticed Pelosi did not vote. Not sure if that was intentional, or if she's not physically present. I think she has been advocating to let the Republicans burn on their own. She's still in San Francisco. Dianne Feinstein's body will by lying in state at San Francisco City Hall and Pelosi plans on being there for the public memorial on Thursday. I think Pelosi might have been invited to the funeral, even though public info says that it's family only.
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Post by BearClause on Oct 3, 2023 17:12:43 GMT -5
I hereby nominate Merle Haggard to be Speaker of the House Isn't he dead?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2023 17:21:13 GMT -5
Well I definitely didn't expect this. I know not a lot of people like him, as evidenced by his initial vote, but I didn't think he'd get ousted so easily. And for what? Working with Democrats? Was there something more pressing? Also sort of ironic that Gaetz used Democrat help to oust a person for using Democrat help. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
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